If you like black or death metal

[Guest]

I hate most of this stuff and wanted to ask everyone who likes it to name a couple groups they love in the genre and also hate and why. I just wanted to see what the appeal was to people....curious.

[Guest redbaron51]

Ooo me. I love black and death metal.

 

Emperor

Cryptopsy

Iced Earth

Opeth

Dimmu Borgir

In Flames

Obituary

 

don't know why, but I love this music.

[Guest areacode212]

I never liked black metal, but death metal/grindcore was my thing in high school. It's kinda hard to explain why I like a certain kind of music. I just do. I suppose I like the "dark, heavy"-sounding riffs in death metal songs (ex: Obituary - "Body Bag"). It's good music to listen to if you want to let out some kind of aggression without actually *doing* anything. Another thing I always enjoyed about death metal is that it often takes repeated listenings to really appreciate the songs. They aren't exactly easy to listen to at first; it takes a bit of work to enjoy them, but once you do, they're awesome. I liked Carcass, Morbid Angel, old Sepultura, Napalm Death, and others from around that era.

 

Cut-and-pasted from the "what do you think of these bands - metal edition" thread, here's my writeup on Morbid Angel:

 

Morbid Angel: Their first three albums (the import-only Abominations of Desolation, Altars of Madness and Blessed Are The Sick) are possibly the greatest death metal I've ever heard (well, Abominations had shitty production, but most of its songs were later re-recorded and released on subsequent albums). I see that a lot of you aren't into them, but I highly, highly recommend Altars and Blessed..., and they had really good songs that were head and shoulders above most other death metal you may have heard. As The Goon said, Covenant and Domination were VERY disappointing (though the remade version of "Angel of Disease" off Covenant was quite good), with a horrible, muddy sound and boring songs. I haven't heard any of the songs off Formulas Fatal to the Flesh, but I read somewhere that it was a good album.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I just do. Something about it grabs me by the balls and pulls me in. With death metal anyways...I find black metal to be for Scandinavian pussies...except for Dark Tranquility, Venom, Cradle Of Filth, Samael, ...And Oceans, and Dimmu Borgir...

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

HAIL THE GOATLORD!

[Guest redbaron51]

Norastag Black Metal......arghhhhhhh

 

 

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

I don't like the genre. Or the bands. Or the music. Or the personalities of the members.

 

But damn, the guitarist from "In Flames" rules.

[Guest Nevermortal]

Its so campy that its good. Mayhem, Immortal, Dimmu Borgir, Darkthrone, Cradle of Filth, and Meshuggah are my bands.

 

NORSK ARISK BLACK METAL!

[Guest Maurizio C... Version 2]

I like the style and costumes but the music is crap.

[Guest razazteca]

not sure if these band fit the description but here are few bands that I have off the net:

 

Danzig

Type O Negative

Brujueria

Christian Death

DRI

Exodus

Sepultura

Sacred Reich

[Guest swan]

not sure if these band fit the description but here are few bands that I have off the net:

 

Danzig

Type O Negative

Brujueria

Christian Death

DRI

Exodus

Sepultura

Sacred Reich

Danzig-Not sure how to classify them. Hard rock w/ blues influenced sound, at least early on.

Type O- More of a mainstream gothic sound

Brujueria-Death Metal

Christian Death-more of  underground gothic

DRI-Punk/hardcore

Exodus-"classic" thrash

Sep-Death or thrash

Sacred reich-thrash

[Guest swan]

Some of my favorites:

 

Napalm Death (grindcore gods)

Morbid Angel

Carcass

Cradle of Filth (mainstream black?)

Impaled Nazaren

Sepultura (Arise is the shit)

Six Feet Under

Mercyful Fate (considered black by some)

Emperor

[Guest Shaved Bear]

Arise is awesome

[Guest swan]

What got me into the black metal scene was the scene itself, not the music. Say what you want about the music and imagery but a lot of these guys live it to an extreme. I read a book a few years ago about the black metal scene. The name and author escapes me now but I got it from Relapse Records. Anyways it’s about how some members take it to the extreme by burning churches, death threats, kidnapping, and even death. The guy from Burzum (one man project) is a real nut case. Various members of Emperor and Mayhem are also part of the craziness. Take a look around the net and do searches on these names, the stories are unbelievable but true. The scene isn’t as big as it was and it has many bands that do it because it’s cool, but the back story to the scene in the mid 90’s is fascinating.

[Guest]

Bands I listen too and why you might want to check them out:

 

Blackmetal -

 

Emperor: Anthems to the Welkin At Dusk was my introduction to blackmetal and I still think that it is the most profound release the genre has ever seen. Ihsahn (vocalist/guitarist) composed intricate epics. He did not just write songs. The theme, mood, and atmosphere of the album is just off the charts. IX Equilibrium was a bit of a turn but it was also a technical masterpiece (Elegy of Icaros should be a Luciferian anthem). The band itself is just so extremely talented.

 

Borknagar: Progressive blackmetal that cannot be touched. The scales and chords that these guys weave together are insane. Simen Hestnaes did vocals on The Archaic Course and Quitessence and is a god plain and simple. He is the only vocalist that I could listen to without any backing music. The man uses his voice as an instrument and can jump through octaves like it was nobodys business. A musicians band.

 

Arcturus: Avant-garde in the extreme. This band took blackmetal into uncharted territories and excelled in their experimentation. The Chaos Path is the most perfect composition I have ever heard (oddly enough Simen does guest vocals for that track).

 

Deathmetal -

 

Deicide: Just brutal as brutal can be. Legion is the fastest technical deathmetal album I have ever heard. The satanic themes are on the silly side, but the lyrics are top notch. They kind of lost me after Serpents of the Light though.

 

Death: Technical! I cannot get into Cannibal Corpse type bands because the music just is not complicated enough for me, but Death is all over the place. Steve Digiorgio (who played on Individual Thought Patterns) is the greatest bassist on the planet next to Steve Harris and their riffs just rip.

 

Obituary: Slow deathmetal. Wicked concept. Perfect execution. The End Complete is the aural equivalent of the sixth level of hell. Nice material.

 

"What got me into the black metal scene was the scene itself, not the music. Say what you want about the music and imagery but a lot of these guys live it to an extreme. I read a book a few years ago about the black metal scene. The name and author escapes me now but I got it from Relapse Records. Anyways it’s about how some members take it to the extreme by burning churches, death threats, kidnapping, and even death. The guy from Burzum (one man project) is a real nut case. Various members of Emperor and Mayhem are also part of the craziness. Take a look around the net and do searches on these names, the stories are unbelievable but true. The scene isn’t as big as it was and it has many bands that do it because it’s cool, but the back story to the scene in the mid 90’s is fascinating."

 

The name of the book is Lords of Chaos (The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground) and was written by Michael Moynihan and Didrik Soderlind. Wicked read.

 

That is another appeal of extreme music. It is not just music. It is a lifestyle. Take me for example. I am a Luciferian Chaos Theorist heavily involved in Satanism. This music is the sound of the world to me because most of the musicians who make it are into the same type of spiritual pursuits that I am.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

I'am not a fan of straight ahead Death Metal though Nile and Morbid Angel have their moments.  But post/prog/melodic Death Metal is as good as it gets. My fav. bands are.

 

Carcass

Cynic

Death

Arch Enemy

Children of Bodom

Athiest

Opeth

In Flames

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

It gets my heart pumping, my head nodding, and it sets my soul on fire. I don't know why it just dies.

[Guest El Satanico]

Well i'm not really that big of a fan. I like it for the guitars and drumming which is usaully some brutal shit. But i don't really like the whole death metal roaring voice they use for the lyrics and can only tolerate it for so long. If they didn't do the whole roaring voice thing i'd like the music alot more.

[Guest]

That is another appeal of extreme music. It is not just music. It is a lifestyle. Take me for example. I am a Luciferian Chaos Theorist heavily involved in Satanism. This music is the sound of the world to me because most of the musicians who make it are into the same type of spiritual pursuits that I am.

I don't know alot about what yout beliefs are but I would be curious to know. I know most Satanists people think are evil but have heard they just believe in other things and there religion doesnt tell them to hurt people and whatever. So could you enlighten me?

 

What got me into the black metal scene was the scene itself, not the music. Say what you want about the music and imagery but a lot of these guys live it to an extreme. I read a book a few years ago about the black metal scene. The name and author escapes me now but I got it from Relapse Records. Anyways it’s about how some members take it to the extreme by burning churches, death threats, kidnapping, and even death. The guy from Burzum (one man project) is a real nut case. Various members of Emperor and Mayhem are also part of the craziness. Take a look around the net and do searches on these names, the stories are unbelievable but true. The scene isn’t as big as it was and it has many bands that do it because it’s cool, but the back story to the scene in the mid 90’s is fascinating.

Are there any bands that do it cause its cool and are really good? How would you know anyway? Also why would you admire death threats and burning churches? That stuff is bullshit.

[Guest]

I forgot to ask what is the difference between the black metal and death metal? I thought they both were the same thing. are there any other similar genres people lump together with black and death? Would guys also say this is the most extreme form of music there is?

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

Musically there are few differences between pure Black and pure Death Metal.  The biggest difference is the vocals, death vocals are low growled while black is a high screech.  Death metal is much faster(esp. drums) and at times the gutiars have an echoing sound to them, while Black Metal is slower and more atmospheric.

 

I'am not to sure about techinal terms to explain the difference but A good way to compare would be Carcass-Symphonies of Sickness to Emperor-In the Nightside Eclipse.  You'll hear the difference.

 

Though nowdays with bands like Dimmu Borgir and Opeth, the subgenres have mixed it up quite a bit.  Most Death Metal has evolved into a Melodic more Thrash/Power Metal hybrid.    While most Black Metal has melted in with Death and Doom  Metal.

 

The most extreme music out there is the progressive punk/grindcore hybrid "mathcore" with chaotic hard on the ears bands like Dillinger Escape Plan, Burnt by the Sun, and Drowningman.  There is also modern grindcore which nowdays is more like stripped down Death Metal.

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

swan Posted on April 03 2002,15:42

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What got me into the black metal scene was the scene itself, not the music. Say what you want about the music and imagery but a lot of these guys live it to an extreme. I read a book a few years ago about the black metal scene. The name and author escapes me now but I got it from Relapse Records. Anyways it’s about how some members take it to the extreme by burning churches, death threats, kidnapping, and even death. The guy from Burzum (one man project) is a real nut case. Various members of Emperor and Mayhem are also part of the craziness. Take a look around the net and do searches on these names, the stories are unbelievable but true. The scene isn’t as big as it was and it has many bands that do it because it’s cool, but the back story to the scene in the mid 90’s is fascinating.

 

 

There are nearly 100 black metal cd's released each month...how can you honestly say the scene isnt as big? unless you mean the 'Inner Circle'...ya its true...because most went to jail or died or split off from the roots of the norway scene of the '91-'93.

 

 

Deicide: Just brutal as brutal can be. Legion is the fastest technical deathmetal album I have ever heard. The satanic themes are on the silly side, but the lyrics are top notch. They kind of lost me after Serpents of the Light though.

 

Well we know Glen Benton believes in it...burning an upsidedown cross in his forehead..

 

 

Just one listen of Burzum/Aske through headphones with the lights off is one reason to love the music...Its meant to take you to other worlds and to other believes and times...

 

there are many others(Emperor, Enslaved, Shadowthrone era Satyricon, etc) that weave magic in their music.

 

You heard it here first...Borknagar release the Black Metal album of the year for '02...hiring Vintersorg was a very good idea.

[Guest swan]

Are there any bands that do it cause its cool and are really good? How would you know anyway? Also why would you admire death threats and burning churches? That stuff is bullshit.

I don't admire or condone anything any of these people have done. It's just a really good story to read.

 

Another major difference between "Death" and "Black" is that black Metal albums try to establish an atmoshere to the music. I know that sounds corny but I don't know how else to explain it.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I think of it like this...

 

Black metallers are usually scrawny or obese white men with long hair, and are all about Satan and hating Dani Filth. Death metallers are usually athletic or obese white men with long hair or a shaved head (bald) that are all about brutality and hating Chris Barnes.

[Guest Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye]

"Another major difference between "Death" and "Black" is that black Metal albums try to establish an atmoshere to the music. I know that sounds corny but I don't know how else to explain it."

 

That's right on...as best as anyone can explain the mood of black metal...

 

While death metal is pound you into submission and then turn you to hamburger helper...Black metal(should) pound your soul into submission and make you see a new view of life...

[Guest swan]

There are nearly 100 black metal cd's released each month...how can you honestly say the scene isnt as big? unless you mean the 'Inner Circle'...ya its true...because most went to jail or died or split off from the roots of the norway scene of the '91-'93.

What I should of said there are a lot more, god I hate this word, posers in the scene if you know what I mean, lots of watered down bullshit, and with all these bands crossing over to other types, it's hard to say who is and isn't a true Black Metal band.