Guest Report post Posted March 23, 2002 This is NOT a cheap shot against anyone. Something that gets on my nerves since May 1999 is how the "average" fan says how much they miss and how much they "Loved" (God Rest His Soul) Owen Hart. I understand there is a "respect" factor because he died for the "Business" and Vince and the WWF even did a tribute RAW to him (Which I won't get started on) but the Average fan today didn't even watch in 1999 or they were just starting to watch and they hated Owen Hart. Owen played a heel about 85% -- 95% of his WWF Career. Fans hated him. You can see a lot of Owen's heel character in Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle today and just like Owen Hart back then, fans Despise and hate them now. Fans chant "You Suck" and everything else to Angle and Jericho. Fans treated Owen the same way. Like I said, I know there is a Respect factor because Owen died of course but it just gets on my nerves how the everyday fan says they "LOVED" Owen Hart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted March 23, 2002 I see what youre saying about the average fans. I have a little brother who is a super-mark and he chose Owen as his favorite a while ago speciffically because "everybody" hated Owen and he was sick of cheering Austin or whoever. ( side note : he was so distraught when i called him to break the news while watching OTE) (another side note: he evntually replaced him with Bossman. I dont hink you can get more hated than that) Anyway I think this is going to cause a big hoopla if people dont see what you are saying or get the gist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 23, 2002 That's why I said it wasn't a cheap shot against anyone, so hopefully they can see that. Plus, I did mention there is a Respect Factor for Owen. When I say the Average fan I mean the ones who remember RAW is on at the last minute or turn it on while clicking through the channels. Not like us on here who live and breath it,,,LoL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted March 23, 2002 No i know. i saw that , i just hope no one glosses it over. Some people tend not to see "the big picture" and just focus in on what they want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted March 23, 2002 I think that most fans, even casual ones, aren't as markish as you seem to think they are. They didn't despise or *hate* Owen the way one would hate, say, Osama bin Laden. He got more of a "love to hate him" kind of heat than anything, because he was more of an entertaining bratty heel than an evil, despicable heel. The fans who chant "you suck" to Angle are the same ones who cracked up when he would cut a promo dissing their city. Even though they boo him, they find him entertaining on some level, and if he were to leave the WWF, they would miss him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted March 23, 2002 I respected Owen Hart....but I also loved Owen Hart. Ever since his classic match with Bret, I paid more attention to the career of Owen, and the guy was just so talented. I became an Owen mark after that match (although I was a bigger Bret mark) and I was one until he died. His humor always made me laugh too. I met him a few times and he was a geniunely nice guy. If you guys think i'm jumping on the bandwagon...screw you. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AM The Kid Report post Posted March 23, 2002 Owen was always one of my favorites. Ever since I was little. I don't understand where you're coming from... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted March 23, 2002 I've been a big Owen mark since 93/94ish...I respected him because even as a mark I could see that his work was far better then most others. I think the fans were generaly hurt by Owen's passing, the more wrestling lost the kayfeb the more the fans got to know more about what happens backstage and such...and when you'd hear about the stuff you never heard anything bad about Owen. Owen was always openly praised by other wrestlers and when the fans took to that and realized that he wasn't a bad person...but he could play such a heel that you wanted to hate him...and after he passed I think the people remembered why they liked him in the first place...even though he was a heel he came off very likeable. And even though Owen was a heel he'd make you laugh your ass off one way or another....Owen 3:16...the nose biting...Blue Blazer...Slammy Award Winner...WHOO! I'm a winner!...The Nugget... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted March 23, 2002 I still remember on the Raw is Owen show the night after his death, the moment that touched me the most was one of the first segments. Jeff Jarrett defeated Test with the Sharpshooter as a tribute to Owen, and then he took the mic and said "He was never a nugget!" and the fans popped. That was just a sign of respect that I'll never forget. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted March 23, 2002 Everybody FearHavoc is just referring to that same type of reaction a celebrity gets when they die. i.e. their record sales spike up and everybody comes out of the woodwork and jumps on the bandwagon and proclaims their love even though they didnt care about them before. He is not ragging on Owen or disrespecting him or anyone else who likes him!! trust me I would have took offense earlier if he was in those 2 previous posts. Those posts nor his diclaimer did any good obvioulsy as everyone glossed over it. also refer to: Like I said, I know there is a Respect factor because Owen died of course but it just gets on my nerves how the everyday fan says they "LOVED" Owen Hart. hes not picking on any Owen fans!!! I just dont want to see tons of people getting into an uproar over it! trust me there is "other stuff" on the board to get all worked up into a tizzy for. and lastly R.I.P. Owen (and no that is not sarcastic) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest muzanisa Report post Posted March 23, 2002 I see your point but so what. Owen's early work in Japan was probably as influential as Dynamite Kid. He could contest good matches with most workers. When he toned down his style he made up for that by playing a super brat really really well. Some of the stories I've heard about the pranks really crack me up. Brian Pillman I never really cared for. I really hated the way he celebrated every move. I've only ever caught Art Barr on tape but love what I've seen. You could make the same point about all these guys, but like Kurt Cobain, people will latch on because that's human nature. If you had been in the UK after Princess Diana died you would have seen the most frightening example of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted March 24, 2002 i think that the fans loved to hate him. I met Owen a few times and he was such a great guy. he took the time to give autographs to my little brother and his friends and had something nice to say to everyone, there are very few people with that much class and i'll always remember Owen for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted March 24, 2002 Everybody FearHavoc is just referring to that same type of reaction a celebrity gets when they die. i.e. their record sales spike up and everybody comes out of the woodwork and jumps on the bandwagon and proclaims their love even though they didnt care about them before. He is not ragging on Owen or disrespecting him or anyone else who likes him!! trust me I would have took offense earlier if he was in those 2 previous posts. Those posts nor his diclaimer did any good obvioulsy as everyone glossed over it. also refer to: Like I said, I know there is a Respect factor because Owen died of course but it just gets on my nerves how the everyday fan says they "LOVED" Owen Hart. hes not picking on any Owen fans!!! I just dont want to see tons of people getting into an uproar over it! trust me there is "other stuff" on the board to get all worked up into a tizzy for. and lastly R.I.P. Owen (and no that is not sarcastic) I understand his point perfectly--he's saying that "average" fans are hypocrites & bandwagon-jumpers for saying that they "loved" Owen even though they booed him. For a quick analogy, that's like saying that if Susan Lucci were to die tomorrow, "All My Children" fans would be hypocrites for saying that they loved Erica Kane, even though she's a bitchy character. You can love a character even though you "hate" them, and miss them when they're gone. Owen was an entertaining heel, both as the "spoiled brat of the Hart family" and as the Blue Blazer. So even though the fans booed him & threw things at him, they still loved him because they enjoyed his schtick and the reaction that he elicited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted March 24, 2002 Death has always magically turned people into loved saints no matter how they were while alive. I have allows found it annoying. What the original poster said is basically true. While it's true that some knew he's a good wrestler and respected his wrestling and i'm not insulting his real fans, but they were a small number of fans compared to the entire fan base. If you went to a show prior to his death and surveyed the crowd one by one about rather they liked Owen Hart or even respected him, the majority of them would say no. Rather or not they were just buying into his act the fact is that in the mind of a large amount of fans never liked or respected him. Should they have still not liked when he died, of course not. But it was still annoying how everyone suddenly claimed to have always loved and respected him. It was mainly a bunch of bullshit from people that felt bad about "hating" him at some point. But something else pisses me off more then the automatic sainthood that the dead receive. When someone famous and in the public eye dies they get tons of coverage but someone who did nothing but good things for people gets little. I was so pissed off when Mother Teresa who is widely regarded as a "saint" got next to no tv coverage for her death. And why didn't she get much coverage? Oh yeah because that whore Princess Di died in a drunk driving accident and tv was too busy giving coverage of everything related to it to care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shawn Report post Posted March 24, 2002 Maybe you don't get it but it was fun to hate Owen (in character) becuase his character was good. I miss the "Nugget" chants... "I AM NOT A NUGGET!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 24, 2002 I'm not going to deny it, I HATED Owen for a while. I did however finally like Owen by the Jarrett team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Special K Report post Posted March 24, 2002 Owen was involved with the 1st great match I ever saw, at WM X. I was a total Bret mark when I first watched that match, and since then I have always loved and respected Owen and Bret. Sure, he was slipping before his death, but i always thought that his exubeerance for the sport showed through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted March 24, 2002 I was a pretty big Owen Hart mark in the mid-to-late 90s. He was probably my second favourite wrestler in the WWF behind Jeff Jarrett in this period. I certainly liked him better than Bret. I didn't like 1992-1993, face JTTS Owen, but from Survivor Series 1993 on, he was great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 24, 2002 i hated owen hart becuz all canadan guys are stuuuuuupid him and his brother shawn michaels were overrated in the ring i wuz glad when bret diesel and vincent kennedy mcmorono screwed both of them over HHH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 24, 2002 Owen was never my favourite wrestler, but he was always "there". I hated him (as a mark) when he turned heel and started to use the Sharpshooter ("That's Bret's move dammit!!"). That's why I found it weird when he died, because he was someone who was always there when I was watching the WWF, and I always liked his character and his matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 24, 2002 dewd the sharpshooter is flex copacabanas move u are a total mark go post on a hardyzzzz bored Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted March 24, 2002 ok, Hairyballz, I will, just to make you happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
