The One and Only Bond 21 Speculation Thread

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Well, seeing as the first rumors are coming in, about possible actors involved and other people testing for Bond I thought this would be a good time to begin speculating on what you'd like to see in Bond 21, or what you think it will be like.

 

 

CONFIRMED:

 

- This film will be Brosnan's final appearance as 007.

- The screenwriting duo of Neil Purvis and Robert Wade (TWINE, DAD) will create their third Bond script.

- Michael Madsen, John Cleese, Judi Dench, Colin Salmon, and Samantha Bond will all reprise their roles.

 

 

RUMORS:

 

- Sean Combs will play the villain. (The Sun)

- Monica Belluchi (sp?) will be the Bond girl (The Sun)

 

 

 

BONUS TOPIC: Will this film be a return to the serious Bond that Brosnan wants, or more camp?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I read somewhere that they were going to do a spin-off with Halle Berry's character from the last movie.

 

I think it's a terrible idea...and yet...I must see it.

 

Anyway. I hope they make a more serious movie.

 

 

wait...Sean Combs...as in P. Diddy?

[Guest areacode212]

What I want from the Bond franchise is more realism & seriousness, but I won't be holding my breath.

 

I might enjoy seeing Sean Combs as a villain, just because I find him so inherently unlikable that I'd look forward to seeing him get blown up in the end.

[Guest Mik at Cornell]

I also think he'd be a good villain. He's not a horrible actor. He was watchable in Monster's Ball and Made, IMO.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Keep in mind the Sean Combs story is from The Sun, and has not been confirmed.

 

If he is the villain, it could be handled in a Live and Let Die 2003 kind of way and be enjoyable.

[TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0]

Am I the only one who wnats Sean Connery to play a bond Villain.

[Guest Marshall]

Um, why don't they stop making Bond movies? Don't thet realise I don't like them?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Um, why don't they stop making Bond movies? Don't thet realise I don't like them?

Considering the shit you like is college-made, sub-par, physical comedy (preferably with fat kids) I'd go out on a limb and say you arn't the intended audience.

 

Furthermore, I consider that post trolling. Bond is the most popular film character in the western world, and most of us would like a non-Troll enviroment to discuss the latest installment in.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Am I the only one who wnats Sean Connery to play a bond Villain.

I'd like to see him as M. He wasn't that great in "The Avengers."

[Guest Marshall]

Um, why don't they stop making Bond movies? Don't thet realise I don't like them?

Considering the shit you like is college-made, sub-par, physical comedy (preferably with fat kids) I'd go out on a limb and say you arn't the intended audience.

 

Furthermore, I consider that post trolling. Bond is the most popular film character in the western world, and most of us would like a non-Troll enviroment to discuss the latest installment in.

I was just registering my hatred of Bond. It wasn’t trolling.

 

Every movie he’ll have sex with a hot girl who’ll ALLWAYS turn out to be a Baddie, also he never ages and yet time in the movies passes. That bugs me. I’d like to see a 70 year old Bond that dies at the end.

 

And what movies do I like? "college-made, sub-par, physical comedy (preferably with fat kids)" What is this movie? I'd sure love to see it.

[Guest TheBlurricane]

I think he's referring to the crap advertised in your sig.

 

Why did you change your name from DavyMcWavyDavy? I know that's old news, but I never got to ask you that?

 

Back on the Bond issue. Sean Connery as a Bond villain would be a little hard to grasp since he's an old Bond.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I was just registering my hatred of Bond. It wasn’t trolling.

 

Yes you were because that was a stupid post that appeared to be you trying to be funny and had a total of 0 valid points. Next time you want to spew venom, make an intellegent post.

 

Every movie he’ll have sex with a hot girl who’ll ALLWAYS turn out to be a Baddie, also he never ages and yet time in the movies passes. That bugs me. I’d like to see a 70 year old Bond that dies at the end.

 

Every series has it's cliches. (BTW, that scenario only happens in 6 Bond films out 20, sucks for you, huh?) The Bond series has had misfires, but it's also produced the best popcorn films of all time, BAR NONE. The character doesn't age because IT'S JUST A MOVIE YOU IDIOT.

 

Pull your head out your ass and come up with a viable reason why Bond sucks.

 

And what movies do I like? "college-made, sub-par, physical comedy (preferably with fat kids)" What is this movie? I'd sure love to see it.

 

Iwas referring to the crap in your sig. I never said it was a movie.

 

 

 

Read the posts, and try again.

[Guest Marshall]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh, I didn't realise that. Duh. Right on, fat kids rule!

 

Davy Mc-who? Yeah, dunno might change back if I can be assed. Doesn't matter.

 

Connery ruled in Finding Forrester "Who's the man now, dog?" He should stick to roles like that now he's all old.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh, I didn't realise that. Duh. Right on, fat kids rule!

 

Davy Mc-who? Yeah, dunno might change back if I can be assed. Doesn't matter.

 

Connery ruled in Finding Forrester "Who's the man now, dog?" He should stick to roles like that now he's all old.

Am I to assume you've given up and arn't going to try to rebut my last post? Oh well...

 

 

Connery's only been sub-par in two movies I've seen: The Avengers and Zardoz.

[Guest Marshall]

Am I to assume you've given up and arn't going to try to rebut my last post? Oh well...

 

 

Connery's only been sub-par in two movies I've seen: The Avengers and Zardoz.

I'm not here to argue and flame.

 

I will agree with you about most Connery movies being good. I even sorta like Goldfinger (should of ended it there). Entrapment was awful though.

[Guest Dmann2000]

Am I the only one who wnats Sean Connery to play a bond Villain.

Yes yes yes. I've been asking for that for seven years. But they'd have to keep it secret, so audiences are watching and when Bond first meets the villian who says..."well hello Mr. Bond, James Bond." The audience will gasp and faint.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Am I to assume you've given up and arn't going to try to rebut my last post? Oh well...

 

 

Connery's only been sub-par in two movies I've seen: The Avengers and Zardoz.

I'm not here to argue and flame.

 

I will agree with you about most Connery movies being good. I even sorta like Goldfinger (should of ended it there). Entrapment was awful though.

No, they COUDLN'T have ended it at Goldfinger. There was a hanging plotline.

 

 

You see all of the Connery and Lazenby movies with the exception of Goldfinger, have a running story: Bond vs. SPECTRE it becomes Bond vs. Blofeld in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. In each film he gets closer and closer to the top guy.

 

 

In Dr. No, the main villain is only a minor agent of SPECTRE.

 

In From Russia With Love, Bond kills SPECTRE's Number 3, Chief of Planning, and Chief Executioner.

 

In Thunderball, Bond kills Blofeld's 2nd in Command.

 

In You Only Live Twice, Bond finally comes face-to-face with Blofeld.

 

In On Her Majesty's Secret Service Bond cripples Blofeld, but pays for it when his wife is killed.

 

In Diamonds Are Forever, Bond destroys Blofeld's ultimate plan for World Domination and he disappears.

 

 

Goldfinger came between FRWL and TB.

[Guest caboose]

Nice to see some enthusiasm for Bond.

 

Just out of curiosity Zsasz, by any chance do you have the DVD of 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'?

I've always heard rumours that the original ending had Bond dying with his wife, but that was dropped when the studio saw dollar signs in a Bond revenge film. And I was wondering if the DVD of 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' had the alternate ending?

[Guest Tony149]

I wouldn't consider Marshall's post as trolling (even if its considered pointless) unless he does it everytime he posts. Although I'll issue a warning (just to be safe) to both of you; don't turn this thread into a flame war.

 

Back to the original topic: I'd also like a more serious Bond. If the producers went in that direction, I could see them saving that for the new Bond. But with the big business the last four films have done, I doubt that.

 

I didn't even know this will be Bronsan's last. When he took over, I thought he everything to be the best Bond. While he was good IMO, he didn't have the stories Connery or even Moore did. Hell, even George (I can't spell his last name) had a good story with OHMSS -- even though many forget about that. I guess the good thing is, he won't be remembered as somebody who keep doing Bond too long like Moore did. And I liked Moore's Bond ... Then again, I liked them all.

 

While I've enjoyed all the Bond films, the ones after GoldenEye don't match up well with the others -- if that makes sense. Maybe it's because there's no more Fleming novels to base them off. Does EON have some (un-written) rule that states they can't or won't use any other novels besides Fleming's? I know they're more Bond novels out there -- and while I haven't read them, I wouldn't mind if they used them.

 

And while we're talking Bond...Do you think they should ever let an American (Canadian, whatever) direct or even play Bond? I know an American had the role in '72 before the producers got Connery to do "Diamonds Are Forever."

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Nice to see some enthusiasm for Bond.

 

Just out of curiosity Zsasz, by any chance do you have the DVD of 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'?

I've always heard rumours that the original ending had Bond dying with his wife, but that was dropped when the studio saw dollar signs in a Bond revenge film. And I was wondering if the DVD of 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' had the alternate ending?

That rumor is false. Lazenby, despite what you may have heard, was Broccoli's golden boy. He could have picked any actor in the world and Lazenby was his second choice. He was commited to turning him into the perfect Bond and made sure that OHMSS was the "perfect" Bond film to mask Lazenby's inexperience. It did not do well at the box office, but that wasn't really Lazenby's fault, it was Connery backlash and the fact that OHMSS itself is not "formula" Bond.

 

OHMSS was, from the beginning, almost a straight conversion from book-to-film. The ending of the film is identical to the ending of the book. At this point, MGM needed Bond to stay alfloat.

 

DAF was not the revenge film everyone wanted. It didn't want Connery to be the one who killed Blofeld because he was on the way out. They wanted the new guy to inherit the mantle by killing Ernst. It didn't mention the events of OHMSS (Because the producers didn't want to acknowledge that movie's existence until it became everyone's favorite on video.) and the payoff was scheduled for The Spy Who Loved Me because Moore didn't want to get into SPECTRE right away. He wanted to create his own niche.

 

 

Enter Kevin McClory

 

 

McClory was a hack who proposed to Ian Fleming the idea of writing an original Bond script back when Cary Grant was the leading contender for the plot. McClory was a fucking hack, but his idea: A worlwide terrorist organization steals a nuculear weapon, became the book THUNDERBALL. McClory allowed MGM/UA to use his trademarks: Blofeld, SPECTRE, and Thunderball because he was credited for them. but when WB told him they'd finance a Bond movie that HE made, he suing EON and won. So the script was changed and we never got a payoff. (Blofeld's death in FYEO is a subtle "Fuck you" to McClory by killing off his only good idea in a way he couldn't sue over.)

 

 

There you have it.

[Guest caboose]

I agree, after Goldeneye the Bond's have been weak. But then again my favourite Bond is Timothy Dalton and my favourite Bond movie is 'Licence To Kill' and a lot of people dislike Dalton and that film. But fuck 'em.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Does EON have some (un-written) rule that states they can't or won't use any other novels besides Fleming's? I know they're more Bond novels out there -- and while I haven't read them, I wouldn't mind if they used them. 

Cubby Broccoli's idiot daughter doesn't want to pay royalties to living writers when she feels their stories are better anyway. So Gardner, and Benson (Who just retired without seeing his dream of one of his books get turned into a movie despite writing Facts of Death SPECIFICALLY for that purpose) get screwed.

 

 

This is the same Barbara Broccoli who wanted Adam West for 007 in OHMSS, and Burt Reynolds in LALD, BTW.

[Guest caboose]

Nice to see some enthusiasm for Bond.

 

Just out of curiosity Zsasz, by any chance do you have the DVD of 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'?

I've always heard rumours that the original ending had Bond dying with his wife, but that was dropped when the studio saw dollar signs in a Bond revenge film. And I was wondering if the DVD of 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' had the alternate ending?

That rumor is false. Lazenby, despite what you may have heard, was Broccoli's golden boy. He could have picked any actor in the world and Lazenby was his second choice. He was commited to turning him into the perfect Bond and made sure that OHMSS was the "perfect" Bond film to mask Lazenby's inexperience. It did not do well at the box office, but that wasn't really Lazenby's fault, it was Connery backlash and the fact that OHMSS itself is not "formula" Bond.

 

OHMSS was, from the beginning, almost a straight conversion from book-to-film. The ending of the film is identical to the ending of the book. At this point, MGM needed Bond to stay alfloat.

 

DAF was not the revenge film everyone wanted. It didn't want Connery to be the one who killed Blofeld because he was on the way out. They wanted the new guy to inherit the mantle by killing Ernst. It didn't mention the events of OHMSS (Because the producers didn't want to acknowledge that movie's existence until it became everyone's favorite on video.) and the payoff was scheduled for The Spy Who Loved Me because Moore didn't want to get into SPECTRE right away. He wanted to create his own niche.

 

 

Enter Kevin McClory

 

 

McClory was a hack who proposed to Ian Fleming the idea of writing an original Bond script back when Cary Grant was the leading contender for the plot. McClory was a fucking hack, but his idea: A worlwide terrorist organization steals a nuculear weapon, became the book THUNDERBALL. McClory allowed MGM/UA to use his trademarks: Blofeld, SPECTRE, and Thunderball because he was credited for them. but when WB told him they'd finance a Bond movie that HE made, he suing EON and won. So the script was changed and we never got a payoff. (Blofeld's death in FYEO is a subtle "Fuck you" to McClory by killing off his only good idea in a way he couldn't sue over.)

 

 

There you have it.

Cheers for clearing that up.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I agree, after Goldeneye the Bond's have been weak. But then again my favourite Bond is Timothy Dalton and my favourite Bond movie is 'Licence To Kill' and a lot of people dislike Dalton and that film. But fuck 'em.

Interesting point about Dalton. He was Broccoli's first choice for On Her Majesty's Secret Service, (After his tour-de-force in The Lion in Winter) but Dalton felt he was too young to be Bond. Broccoli used Dalton as a scare tactic whenever Moore threatened to quit (For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, A View To A Kill) he told him Dalton was right there.

 

So Dalton was being cheated out of being Bond since Lazenby.

[Guest caboose]

Dalton always seemed to me to be only equalled by Connery when it came to getting across, that Bond had to get the job done first and foremost before he got down with the ladies. Dalton had that coldness I would assume a man of his career would need. Moore was just to comic/camp, Lazenby was too pretty boy for Bond, and Brosnan only posessed the Bond harshness in Goldeneye.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Dalton always seemed to me to be only equalled by Connery when it came to getting across, that Bond had to get the job done first and foremost before he got down with the ladies. Dalton had that coldness I would assume a man of his career would need. Moore was just to comic/camp, Lazenby was too pretty boy for Bond, and Brosnan only posessed the Bond harshness in Goldeneye.

Connery did a fine job, perhaps his only weakness was his weak fight scenes.

 

Lazenby COULD have been the best Bond. They were grooming him because he was young and they figured if they made him a star he'd have complete loyalty to EON and wouldn't leave when it suited him (*coughConnerycough*) he wasn't much of an actor, BUT he was a black belt in judo and his fight scenes are great. If he had done 4 he'd be #1.

 

Moore's style was only TOO camp twice: Moonraker and A View to a Kill. LALD is a great one, TMWGG is entertaining crap which is better than I can say about Brosnan's 2nd and 3rd films. TSWLM was a return to the "Only James Bond can save us now!" storyline after a 2 film absence so it was cool. Moonraker sucked. FYEO was tremendous, as was Octopussy which is SHOCKENINGLY good. AVTAK is utter crap with no redeeming factors.

 

Dalton owned. End of story.

 

Brosnan is like Connery 2.0, except if Connery's movies were written by retards.

[Guest Tony149]

Does EON have some (un-written) rule that states they can't or won't use any other novels besides Fleming's? I know they're more Bond novels out there -- and while I haven't read them, I wouldn't mind if they used them.  

Cubby Broccoli's idiot daughter doesn't want to pay royalties to living writers when she feels their stories are better anyway. So Gardner, and Benson (Who just retired without seeing his dream of one of his books get turned into a movie despite writing Facts of Death SPECIFICALLY for that purpose) get screwed.

 

 

This is the same Barbara Broccoli who wanted Adam West for 007 in OHMSS, and Burt Reynolds in LALD, BTW.

That sucks. I've heard good things about Benson's work. Plus, I really want to see one of the novels used again since the current "golden boy" writers of Neal Purvis and Robert Wade seem to becoming the new Richard Maibuam and Michael G. Wilson, in the sense that they're on a streak of writing consecutive Bond films in a row. I liked the R & W team, but I don't think Purvis and Wade have what it takes to write a serious Bond flick.

[Guest caboose]

Dalton owned. End of story.

True.

 

I dub Zsasz, TSM's Bond Expert. Or 'Q' maybe?

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Does EON have some (un-written) rule that states they can't or won't use any other novels besides Fleming's? I know they're more Bond novels out there -- and while I haven't read them, I wouldn't mind if they used them.  

Cubby Broccoli's idiot daughter doesn't want to pay royalties to living writers when she feels their stories are better anyway. So Gardner, and Benson (Who just retired without seeing his dream of one of his books get turned into a movie despite writing Facts of Death SPECIFICALLY for that purpose) get screwed.

 

 

This is the same Barbara Broccoli who wanted Adam West for 007 in OHMSS, and Burt Reynolds in LALD, BTW.

That sucks. I've heard good things about Benson's work. Plus, I really want to see one of the novels used again since the current "golden boy" writers of Neal Purvis and Robert Wade seem to becoming the new Richard Maibuam and Michael G. Wilson, in the sense that they're on a streak of writing consecutive Bond films in a row. I liked the R & W team, but I don't think Purvis and Wade have what it takes to write a serious Bond flick.

Oh Tony, Purvis and Wade WANT to. They want to desperatly. That's why there are references to Casino Royale in TWINE. That's why they JAM PACKED Die Another Day with tributes to everything Bond.

 

So why arn't they?

 

Because they keep getting fucked over by outside factors. Casting, Re-writes, Bad Directors, Studio Pressure.

 

In short... it's not their fault. When talking about movies: The buck stops with the director. Hell, most of the time the producers and directors re-write the script as they go along.

 

 

Why did TWINE suck? Michael Apted's utter sucktitude. (He COULDN'T EVEN DO A COOL CREDITS MONTAGE! WHAT THE FUCK! How hard is sillouettes of naked women?)

 

Why was DAD mediocre? Lee Tamahori's casting and inexperience.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

Dalton owned. End of story.

True.

 

I dub Zsasz, TSM's Bond Expert. Or 'Q' maybe?

Grow up, 007...