Some Things...

[Guest Deja Vu Kross]

Hey everybody. As you all know probably now, Deja Vu is out of the picture. Thugg eloquently pointed out that the tag team was gone, and he was Kris. I am Kross, and not Thugg, so I wanted to make sure I said goodbye to the SWF and to everyone involved and left you with some parting words of unwisdom to remember me by. So, here is my testament as to why I have to bow out. Keep in mind that these reasons do not necessarily reflect the views of The H-Ville Thugg, his affiliates, subsidiaries, or any of the hardcore gangstas he represents.

 

The way I see it, there are several things keeping me from enjoying myself in the fed...

 

:It's just too much work. I love to write, and I even like writing matches, but having to write thousands of words to compete just isn't fun anymore to me.

 

:I have a crappy internet connection, not to mention a mother and a little sister who are always on the phone line. I can't pay for broadband yet. So trying to find stats and rules, then send matches is always a pain.

 

:There aren't enough people in the fed to really hold my interest. Kris and I wanted to revamp the Tag Division with our new characters, but that proved to be a waste of time. There are only two other tag teams right now, and one of them was just reinstated. Not to mention the lack of other people. It all just seems very small, compared to what it used to be.

 

:I hope I don't step on anybody's toes with this post, but I think everyone needs to lighten up. This is an E-Fed for fun. Not a job or a government mandate or anything. It's a hobby. At the end of the day, I should like to think that everyone's here to have a good time. But sometimes, actually alot of the time, it doesn't feel that way at all. I think some seriousness is definately needed to keep everything fair of course, but it's not THAT serious. Then again, people do spend alot of time doing this, so that you have to take it seriously in order to justify the time spent. I don't know, it just seems like we get into flames and criticize one another and stuff too much, when we should really be enjoying the group and ourselves more. That's a major reason I have to leave, because I'm not enjoying myself anymore. I'm not getting as excited over the angles and matches, and I'm beginning to hate writing. It's just too much.

 

:I think we should all take a close look at how this whole shindig started. It began as a single spam post a few years ago, morphed into one long spam thread of silliness, and became a well organized game. But at the end of the day it was just started on a whim for fun. Now its becoming too much like the real business, with politics and shoots, and all of the other stuff that makes net smarkdom not fun.

 

Anyways, that was all more of a rant I guess, but I wanted to at least give some reasoning as to why I'm gone, and hopefully help out someone else who feels the same way about stuff. Maybe I'm just too much of an old timer, and need to leave and let the new crop completely take over. Funny thing is, I never thought I'd say that when I first came in. But perhaps that's what it all boils down to. Anyways, the direction that the group is taking right now isn't one for me, and its better to get out of the way and let fresher, newer guys take up the calling. Please don't think I'm flaming anyone or anything. I just, I dunno, maybe someone will read and say, "that one point sounds right, maybe we should do something about that." I'm sorry for wasting anyone's time, particularly Justice and Rule, who were fun to feud with.

 

Well, hope everyone enjoyed Deja Vu, and I hope some people are more interested in the Tag Team division now. I'm off to search more of the world for the perfect party. May Beer Kegs and wet T-shirt contests follow wherever you go. Cheers!

[Guest Powerplay]

Seriously, man, I really don't want you to leave. We all make mistakes booking-wise (I look back to my Sigil feud and a few things I did in my Annie Feud that I didn't do well enough), but don't take it as an attack on you. It's all just a big misunderstanding, and with some cool down time I'm sure we'll all realize this. You weren't a waste of time. I wrote my best match ever with you guys in it.

 

If you still decide to go, well then... Good luck. But I sincerely hope that we can just step back and see that this was just a little mistake that we can all move past.

[Guest Insanityman]

Well, I did enjoy what I read of Kriss and Kross, so you have at it finding the perfect party.

 

Yeah, I figure this thread would be a better place to throw my two cents in about what Thugg was saying earlier. How can a TLC match be too spotty? I know it's possible, but if you expect a match with only a few spots that are logical 'cause he "worked on the back" or whatever is bullshit. This federation is meant to be fun and if it comes to the point where a stipulation (which is invented to be a fun, spotty match) has to be logical and you can't imagine how a backdrop would work off a ladder to the outside and the guy not be crippled (which I'd also like to point out your writing for an imaginary federation so it seems just humorous you can't imagine that) isn't right. It sucks away the fun.

 

Don't get me wrong, mat wrestling and people who have based it around a Puro character is perfectly fine, more power to you- 'cause I am oblivious to Puro. No, I don't intend to spark up an old flame war... but it has bugged me that we've driven these guys to give up. This is a hobby, an interest, a way to have fun, and sometimes the fun factor can be deprived. Edit: I do mean if a match is logical it's Puro (thanks for Tom to point out I have shitty wording) but the TLC just can't expected to be a five star classic for wrestling.

 

So enjoy your time off Kross and sorry this all had to happen.

Edited May 4, 2003 by Insanityman

[Guest 5_moves_of_doom]

Damn.

[Forewarned 0]

One thing...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHO THE F**K ARE YOU!?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay...I lied...one other thing...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SCREW THE NEW CROP!

 

 

 

 

Who's with me?

 

 

 

 

*Sees Jay Dawg*

 

 

 

 

 

 

...f**k...

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

Frost is party!

 

You guys allowed me to lighten up and find that character twist I need when I became a face. Frost is a much lighter and more humor filled character now and that six man tag with Deja Vu was a big starting point for it. I have to thank you guys for that. I was really tripping with the face turn until you guys helped me put some of my natural humor and attitude into things. You did remind that this should be fun and not serious work where everything makes sense and is done on the grandest of scales. Deja Vu is party.

[Guest Ace309]

I dunno. I *LIKE* writing serious technical matches. It provides a challenge that I enjoy, and I like seeing the plot twists that I almost write in without realizing them.

[Forewarned 0]

Neilsen's always been about fun. How could a constantly swearing, sometimes drunken hardcore high flyin f**k not be? You can't let others get you down. Let them bitch. Let them quit and listen to them blame it on others for not making it fun. It's as fun as you make it. Laugh at them and wind up being the "oldest" man left standing. Booyah Bitches!

 

And "technical" can be fun to write, but it's not my consistant cup o' tea.

 

And it won't be the SWF's either after I win the title.

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

I think quitting over a disagreement is pretty fucking lame. Seriously, get over it. I hassle Thugg every second day over the website... never anything too harmless, normally a post or two. But that's kind of irrelevant.

 

 

Seriously, Deja Vu were hilarious. I looked forward to reading their promos. It's a fed, it's fun... I'm a High Pain tolerance, Alcohol abusing, Ganja smoking, Suplex maniac who likes to kick people in the head. Where else can I do that... legally. Lighten up... dudes.

[Guest HVilleThugg]

I really think you miss the point man...it's not like we just quit cause of a misunderstanding or an argument. For me, that stuff didn't help...and it was a part of my decision...but only a very small part. Here's the long and short of it from my side (and I'll let Kross speak for himself)...

 

1. This federation used to be very, very fun to me. Way back in the day, it was so much fun. Now...it's just not. I spend way more time angry and annoyed (as you can tell from the last few weeks) with this fed than I do having fun. When I'm not writing, I enjoy it more.

 

2. I feel like people in the fed now just take it way too seriously. You get your balls busted for no showing...people are overly critical of everything...and people seem to always be scared of people messing up their characters or angles or the like. JD, you were around back then...and I hope you can back me up here...but people seemed to be less into themselves and their characters, and more into just having fun with a great group of people. I just don't see that around here anymore.

 

3. This federation has changed drastically since I was here as HVT. I'm not gonna call it for better or worse, but it's definitely changed a lot. I don't fit in that change. It's like Stephen Davis, the old Redskins running back who is a 1,000 rusher every year...and is more or less, the man here. He was just released by the Skins cause he's more of a power back, but the new system by Steven Spurrier is more of a high flying, throw the ball down field system. Davis just doesn't fit in. I don't fit in...my style of match doesn't fit, and I don't care to conform.

 

4. This fed is just way too small! We don't have enough people, and we don't have an influx coming. The JL is down to 8 people...and the WF ain't far behind with only 17 people. I'm not going to sit here and tell you the number I think a federation should (since my numbers have already been shot down by CC), but I think most people can agree that 17 people is just not enough. You get sick of fighting the same people very quickly, so...that's part of it.

 

5. Back before my first retirement, I used to look forward to writing my matches. I used to have fun...now, I dread the days when i have matches, like I dread the days when I have to do homework. It's become a ton of work and a ton of stress, and I don't really need or care to have that in my life anymore.

 

6. Yeah...the little spat about the TLC, in addition to a little flame in another location played a small role in it for me. I can't say the same for Kross...because I doubt it. But it played a small role for me. But...the decision to quit was made long before I posted on the PPV thread on Saturday, and long before this thread started. We were gonna do it gracefully, but I came home from a hard night at work, and it was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

All in all, sometimes, you just gotta realize that it's time to go. Like when you're at that party, and you've been turned down by all the girls there (JD, you know what I'm talking about...it happens all the time to you )...its just time to leave. Ok, that doesn't really apply here, but you know what I mean. I wasn't having fun...I was mad all the time...everyone was getting on my nerves...it takes WAY too much time...etc.

 

Da "it was just time to go" H

[Guest Goodear]

Hi,

 

You know, maybe this isn't a good time to say something like this ... I don't know. But everybody likes to have fun, but not everyone has fun the same way. I like simple matches with regular rules, but lately I've been in a lot of tornado matches, handicapped matches, and now a TLC. And while I don't go "OH SHIT A TLC... THIS'LL SUCK", I would still like to get a hand on more normal matches where I can actually write the matches I want to more than the big fights that entail keeping track of 19 guys running around. That might be fun for some people... but its not so much for me because honestly I find it a lot more challenging. I'm a wuss that way. But I'm perfectly willing to accomodate people that like things that way just so long as I get to do what I like to do as well.

 

That's it.

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

I dunno Thugg. There have been heavy bitching and flames wars ever since I've been in this fed. People always get over it.

 

I actually like the way this fed has turned. But at the same time I miss the old stuff too. I do agree about more people, another 10-15 in the SWF would be da shit.

 

The noshowing... I dunno. People seemed to have their balls busted when it was a show of noshows...

 

 

I know what it's like to have other characters due to creative burnout or not fitting in. Honestly though, a character like HVT can always fit in... except through that front door(fat bastard).

 

I also know what it is like to be angry with the fed. I've been pissed at the majority of the fed for many various reasons. I normally keep it to myself and just abuse everyone like an asshole...which doesn't make things any better I suppose.

 

 

I have had very few people I thought didn't fit in for this fed. Most of those involve names such as Stone Froze and Cutthroat to The Boston Strangler(jk)... I like to think that most people here get along with most people, the anger sticking to the kayfabe.

 

 

 

Burn outs happen.

 

 

Anger happens.

 

 

Arguments happen.

 

 

Losses happen.

 

 

Stuff you don't like will happen.

 

 

 

I still say my older statement. People, get over it.

 

Thugg... I still think you rock.

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

Deja Vu was awesome. I loved the idea of twin brothers who were just two cool guys, with seemingly little experience, wrestling, and having fun while doing it. They always were like the super-innocent face type, if you ask me. But I liked it a lot.

 

I'd hate to see you two go, though.

 

And we do need more people in the JL. 8 is not enough to keep it fun. I think we should try to get our name out there as an alternative to the current "promo-writing" style that so many other feds use.

 

Maybe we could get a bigger link on the front page... I don't know. But if we pimp the name out to other communities, we should draw some more people in.

 

Well, it looks like there's some storms rolling in with tornadoes, perhaps, so I might not be on much longer...

 

So in short: Spread the word about the SWF and SJL, and as for Deja Vu, both members of the team: We'll miss you. Sorry I had to cut it short

[Guest Tyler McClelland]

I've got some stuff on the CC board that has been ignored as of right now. Respond, CC.

[Guest Thoth]

You know, correct me if I'm wrong, but Kross actually never wrote any part of a match during the time as that character, did he?

[Guest kelloggs]

Well Thugg, I'm sad to see you and Kross go. It sucks when people bitch about characters they actually LIKE. I'm also in total agreement that people take this way to seriously. Punishment for a no show... what the hell can that accomplish. People are normally already upset after one, but I've always said that if we didn't care then wouldn't the Pay per views suck nuts. And not to be hypocritical, cause I had one bitchfest with Thor over my 'heat' in the JL and while I may not have been completely serious, it was stupid of me to even do so... but I got through it and learned from it. I had some messed up situations on my way to and even in the WF, just like everyone else, but in all honesty, when you can't adjust and book your character or feud on the fly anymore, what is the point of actually doing this thing. I try to work people in chat like I've quit, but I'll be back, probably pretty soon cause this is fun for me. It's sucks that the joy is gone for you man...

 

But the one thing I disagree with is the direction of the fed. I like the way it was heading when we had Deja Vu included. Kriss and Kross really need to stay. Every fed needs some light hearted elements, whether it be beer drinking twins, blowing up buildings, or Carnival shenangins. While people may like some more than others, I'm sure we can all agree that they should have a place in the current SWF.

 

That's all I can comment on and I hope this little situation gets some people to lighten up around here.

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. Who the hell was Kross damnit?

[Guest Thoth]

I think that knowledge of who Kross is would affect this situation, though I know who Kross is. I'll keep it secret for your sake, but I feel that you (Kross) are being hypocritical in your stance.

[Guest HVilleThugg]

Ummmm....Thoth...you should probably be careful in accusing Kross of not writing. In fact, during the life of Deja Vu, he wrote pretty much everything. I wrote very little, which goes to show you how serious it is with me and writing if only a little bit ticked me off. I know what you're getting at Thoth, but it's certainly not true or even close. Kross was the front man on this whole thing, as I didn't have the time to do a lot with me graduating and all. So don't jump on him about not doing anything...

 

Da "please don't go there" H

[Guest Deja Vu Kross]

Yeah. I wrote. I just never really posted, because I didn't want to get into any controversy and stuff.

 

And hey Judge, please don't apologize. To be honest, I still don't know anything about the whole TLC issue. I never even read the stuff about it, lol. That thing had nothing to do with my decision at all. Most of the decision was made because of my internet connection being a pain, and because I've lost the will to write so much as a hobby, especially since I have so much other time consuming stuff going on right now. All the rest of that post was meant to do was offer my own personal insight, and maybe some suggestions for the future that everybody can take or leave, no skin off my back.

 

But anyways, I'm glad at least some people seemed to like Deja Vu and thought they rocked, because of course they did. Frost is still party.

 

I guess I've spent alot of time and energy on this hobby- although some of it was misplaced. Almost everyone I knew before has retired, and I miss working with them. The new guys definately have talent, but its not the same without your graduating class, ya know what I mean? Plus everything seems to be too serious and too much like a business, and not enough like a game. Its kinda like how sports have become so political with all of the money and trades and sponsors and stuff involved, its a different game. A Dr. J would probably have no place with the Iversons and Shaqs and T-Macs and Kobe Bryants of today. Thats kindof how I feel. Its just not as much of a community, at least not like it was. Not that its better or worse, just different. I do feel some things could be improved though, and I think that would be cool, because I'd hate to see an E-Fed that was so original and that has lasted so long die out or stagnate.

 

And I'm not telling anybody what other characters I have had. If I did, you'd like me less.

[Forewarned 0]

I THINK I KNOW!

 

 

 

Don't worry...your secret's safe with me...

 

Or is it?

 

Muahahahahaha!!!

[Guest Kibagami]

As do I. Actually, I'm positive I know. And I'm disappointed to see you go, past problems aside. I always enjoyed reading your characters when I could. Have fun, man.

 

K.

[Guest Thoth]

Well, if you did write, then I retract my statement. I do hold a bit of animosity, but that was from a long time ago.

 

That said, I have a lot of feelings on this situation, all of which I shall keep to myself.