MX Hot button Issue#2

[Guest Midnight Express83]

NYPD has had some of the most known cases of cop killing, beating, ect when it is out of line...But the question what is out of line?

 

Is Police Brutality a real issue or is it just something "victims" say to make them feel like they are in the wrong. LAPD's case with Rodney King blurrs the line between doing job and excessive force. What is your opinion on the matter?

 

My answer after classes.

[Guest DrTom]

It's very hard for civilians -- which includes the so-called "experts" who beat their chests and cry bloody murder on the evening news -- to judge excessive force. If you're not in that situation, it's hard to say whether or not the officer felt he was in immediate danger. Considering that police officers can face death with every call they handle, I tend to be more lenient than most people, and I think "police brutality," while sometimes legit, is often a complaint of someone who deserved the ass-whooping he got.

[Guest NoCalMike]

you have to treat "police brutality" on a case-by-case situation.

[Guest SweetNSexyDiva]

I think it is a case by case thing as well. Although, 10 officers beating 1 unarmed man is excessive to me.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

I agree case by case for the most part, but there is a time and a place when it transends all cases...

 

IE: Dibalo(sp?) case shows excessive Police Force as does the kid who got his ass kicked by that cop and needed other cops to pull him off the kid. When other cops are stopping you from kicking someone's ass. That is a sign that something is fucked up.

[Guest Anglesault]

IE: Dibalo(sp?) case shows excessive Police Force

The Dialo case was a little blurry because of outside circumstances. Tell me that if you were in a situation where a man is pulling something out of his pocket and then all of a sudden your friend and partner hits the ground, you wouldn't shoot at the guy? It's unfortuanate, yes, and 40 something bullets was way too much, but I'm not going to hang the cops over that.

 

Abner Louima on the other hand...

 

Anyway, on the general topic. In my opinion, if someone is running away from a cop, he can do whatever the fuck it takes to stop him. And if he DARES to attack you or your partner, just make sure you don't kill him.

[Guest Vyce]

IE: Dibalo(sp?) case shows excessive Police Force

The Dialo case was a little blurry because of outside circumstances. Tell me that if you were in a situation where a man is pulling something out of his pocket and then all of a sudden your friend and partner hits the ground, you wouldn't shoot at the guy? It's unfortuanate, yes, and 40 something bullets was way too much, but I'm not going to hang the cops over that.

 

Abner Louima on the other hand...

 

Anyway, on the general topic. In my opinion, if someone is running away from a cop, he can do whatever the fuck it takes to stop him. And if he DARES to attack you or your partner, just make sure you don't kill him.

Forget it - if you assault a police officer, you are FUCKED.

 

40 something bullets was way too much, but I'm not going to hang the cops over that.

 

There's a saying cops have, and almost across the board it is true: Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

 

Here's the problem I have with the Diallo shooting - whether they were justified in doing it or not. Honestly? The number of bullets, IMO, is NOT excessive.

 

You have to have some knowledge of what police officers are taught. If they are going to shoot, they're not taught to shoot to wound - it's shoot to kill, center mass. And you don't shoot one or two quick shots, it's as many as it takes to bring the perp down, because you can literally pop a guy 3 or 4 times and they can still be coming towards you. So, if you're going to shoot, you damn near empty your clip in him.

 

So I can see a handful of cops, scared into shooting, pumped with adrenaline, shooting until their clips are empty. Whether they were justified in shooting in the first place, that's where I have the issue.

[Guest Anglesault]

Empty your clips, fine whatever. One or two of them reloaded. That's always been a sticking point with me. I personally feel bad for Diallo, but totally sympathize with the cops. But the whole reloading thing has always rubbed me the wrong way.

[Guest Vyce]

Empty your clips, fine whatever. One or two of them reloaded. That's always been a sticking point with me. I personally feel bad for Diallo, but totally sympathize with the cops. But the whole reloading thing has always rubbed me the wrong way.

Well, I forgot that detail. Oops.

 

Under those facts, the reloading....yeah, now that WOULD be excessive.

[Guest phoenixrising]

Is Police Brutality a real issue or is it just something "victims" say to make them feel like they are in the wrong. LAPD's case with Rodney King blurrs the line between doing job and excessive force. What is your opinion on the matter?

I think that most of the time, "police brutality" is often cops using the force that they feel necessary to subdue a subject, and others get up in arms without knowing the full set of circumstances at the time. Not everyone voluntairliy raises their hands and consents willingly to let their hands be cuffed. We also are not in the officers head when he/she makes the decision to use force. What may be percieved by others as harmless may have been percieved by the officer as a threat. It's easy to call "police brutality" when you're watching from a TV screen not being able to see the situation firsthand. Obviously there are cases where the police brutality was obvious, like Rodney King. Most of the time, IMO, it just seems to be an attempt to either get some money or try to get the jury on the defendant's side.

[Guest NoCalMike]

I think this is a hard topic to judge. Most people never have a run-in with "the law" All we know about it, is 2-minute video clips here and there when they pop up on local news. It is really easy to give the cops the benefit of the doubt because most people automatically assume if a guy is in blue and wearing a badge, there is this automatic trust that comes with it. Bad people get into EVERY profession, and most people in every profession is a good person. So with those two statements holding water, it makes it a tough call a lot of the time to judge just what changes from necessary force into police brutality.

[Guest DrTom]

The problem is that those 2-minute video clips almost never show the whole story. TV news stations sensationalize the story by showing only the parts that feature cops wailing away on some poor blighter, apparently without rhyme or reason. What the tapes don't show is what that blighter did to put himself in that spot. Jury sympathy for Rodney King flew out the window once the *entire* tape was shown, and not just the snippets that had been making the rounds on newscasts across the country.

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Thats why I said King is blurry because he was getting a shit kicking and kept getting up maybe to wave his arms or something but the cops just laid him out. So its not exactly facts in that case.

 

The Dialo case though, they asked for ID, he goes for his wallet, they are unmarked cops, they think he is shooting. THey unload all their clips, two re load, that is a sign that its excessive. The reason he didn't fall is because standing on the wall he couldn't fall with so many bullets keeping him up. For an example of this: Saint Valentine's Day Masscare. Most times I say some parts but this one is clear cut wrong on the cops part.

 

Abner Louima was again excessive police force. Another open and shut case on that one.

 

Granted we didn't see the full tape on that kid that got his ass kicked, but him lying still, cuffed, not posing a threat. A cop coming over and then slams the kid on the hood of the car, then punches the kid once, tires to go for a second one and OTHER cops are stopping him from doing more damage. That is Police Brutaltity. That is a case open and shut. It doesn't matter why the kid was cuffed. He could has pissed on the pope. Once he is not posing a threat. Cops are in the wrong for keeping up the violence.