Tazz

[Guest Van-Daminated]

seriously he can put on entertaining matches in the ring and we know he is excellent on the mic

 

all he needs is a good heel push, and for the commentators to not constantly bring up his size disadvantage.

 

I can think of several ideas for a slow push for him that would have him main-eventing by mid to late 2003.

 

does anyone have any ideas for a push or reasons why they wouldnt want to see or dont believe it could happen?

[Guest Van-Daminated]

By the way i would like to formally say hello to everyone on the board. i have made a few posts so far and was a lurker before i signed onto the board, but i dont believe i have introduced myself proper yet.

 

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[Guest KOR420]

I've always liked Tazz,it did piss me off when he became an announcer but if he was pushed as a heel and seriously pushed he could definitly be a main eventer,if they just stopped putting him next to michael cole in stupid looking suits like the one he wore on heat before WM18 but i doubt the WWF will push him at all because they suck

[Guest Dace59]

Most people won't take his Tazplexs, which can be a problem.

[Guest muzanisa]

Hmmm

if the midcard came together and a bunch of them agreed to work semi semi-stiff. Say Tazz, RVD, Jericho, Angle and a few others. If they wrestled each other do you reckon that they'd start making the headliners look really bad and break the glass ceiling that way or would Vince and Steph just tread on it.

RVD, Tazz and Jericho's matches look better when there are a few potatoes thrown in.

Regal, Awesome, Rhino, Storm and Spike could fit in well.

I'm not talking stupid high spots or intentionally hurting the other guy. Just ECW stuff really.

[Guest Dace59]

Would Jericho take the Side Head and Arms Tazplex again I wonder?

That would work, Jericho and Tajiri have both taken Head and Arms Tazplexs when they've taken on Tazz (never had a pin off it though) So we'll see. Or not.

[Guest Van-Daminated]

here is how i would like to see it done.

 

put him on tv more after the split give him clean wins aginst some of the more over midcarders

 

have him win king of the ring

 

around december or january have him win the ic title, then feed him a string of huge challengers like Kane,The Big Show,

Albert,Test,rikishiwhere he would win clean not by cheating. granted these ones arent going to be mat classics but it would get him over in the eyes of the fans as being a bad ass despite his size.

 

if they do that along with fueds with say benoit(they could put on a super stiff match) A face jericho(same here)

RVD(same) Lance Storm(if he gets over)

 

all the while cutting wicked heel promos, where he interferes in a match and clears the ring to do it.

 

and keep the anouncers from constantly mentioning his height

 

then by mid to late 2003 I could see him being a mega over main-event level heel and possibly world champ.

[Guest Van-Daminated]

bump

 

i believe this is worthy of at least some discussion

[Guest Risk]

First off, don't call him Tazz.  It's TAZ.  Taz can be a main eventer, just not Tazz.

[Guest buffybeast]

Taz as a main eventer?  You're joking, right?  

 

The man can't even work a match longer than 3 minutes before blowing up.  Besides that, his height and overall look is not that of a main eventer.

[Guest Anglesault]

Hell no. The man that was rejected from the Oompa Loompas because he was to small? The man who was a life size pumpkin for Halloween last year? The man who blows up two minutes into a match? NO, he cannot be a Main eventer.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Another "no" vote here. Maybe they could have done something with him when he first joined the WWF, but he's been constantly jobbing and made to look stupid recently. It would take a huge, huge push to get him taken seriously.

[Guest buffybeast]

And a huge amount of Stacker 2.

[Guest notJames]

- Too small. (Look how the creative team is now retroactively lambasting Jericho as a weak champ because he was too small and not viewed as true champ material... of course it had nothing to do with the crappy booking, HHH's mediocre involvement, Steph's lethal injection into the feud... but I digress)

 

- Blows up after 3 minutes

 

- None of the main eventers would take half his stiff offense

 

- None of the main eventers would submit to his finisher (seriously, how many title bouts have ended with Rocky or UT or HHH tapping out in the past few years?)

 

- Bad booking has made him look like a chump to the point that the average fan would never take him seriously

 

Verdict: no

 

(and that's a shame, because I actually like him... maybe a slim shot at the IC belt, but I wouldn't put money on it)

[Guest]

Yeah.. Tazz could be a main-eventer. If everybody above him in the WWF suddenly disappeared and Paul Heyman started booking the WWF.

[Guest notJames]

Yeah.. Tazz could be a main-eventer. If everybody above him in the WWF suddenly disappeared and Paul Heyman started booking the WWF.

So what you're saying is the Fed would consist of Tazzzzz, Perry Saturn, Funaki, and Michael Cole...

 

How much are tickets for the next WWA PPV?

 

[Guest Goodear]

Tazz's best option in my mind would to start dropping weight as best he could until he can get down to the the cruiserweight division.  Sure, he's something like 30 pounds away or so, but it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.  Why would he do such a thing?  Well lets look at it this way.

 

1) Smaller guys are generally better bumpers than their larger counterparts.  Hence they would be more likely to be able to take Tazz's suplexes.

2) Tazz would actually be intimidating against smaller workers.  It would nice if his look worked on larger guys, but who is going to buy Kane being worried about a smurf?

3) It would make Tazz lose weight... he's fatty, fat, fat.

4) He'd be something different from all the usual high-spotastic cruiserweights.

[Guest notJames]

Tazz's best option in my mind would to start dropping weight as best he could until he can get down to the the cruiserweight division.  Sure, he's something like 30 pounds away or so, but it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.  Why would he do such a thing?  Well lets look at it this way.

 

1) Smaller guys are generally better bumpers than their larger counterparts.  Hence they would be more likely to be able to take Tazz's suplexes.

2) Tazz would actually be intimidating against smaller workers.  It would nice if his look worked on larger guys, but who is going to buy Kane being worried about a smurf?

3) It would make Tazz lose weight... he's fatty, fat, fat.

4) He'd be something different from all the usual high-spotastic cruiserweights.

Well said!

[Guest DebilitatorX]

No.

 

1. Too small to be a bad-ass...that "low center of gravity" explanation just isn't gonna cut it in the WWF. He might be considered a legitimate physical threat against a Kurt Angle or a Steve Austin, but not against a Kevin Nash, Kane, or Undertaker.

 

2. Out of shape...you can't really blame him when he's pulling double-duty as a color commentator, but he's packed on quite a few pounds since his days as an active main eventer in ECW.

 

3. Limited in the ring...in the ECW environment, he could get away with dropping guys on their heads all night long. But now he is working the WWF style, and he is also working with guys who don't want to -- or physically can't -- get suplexed onto the back of their head and neck. He's gotta add more than a clothesline and clubbing forearm blows to his moveset.

 

4. Character degeneration...there's character development, and then there's character degeneration. In the case of Taz to Tazz, it's degeneration. He's taken about one step forward in marketability and five steps back as being perceived as a killer. I thought he was going to finally return to his "roots" over the summer when he was standing up to Steve Austin, but I guess that never came to pass. I find it ironic that the duo of Tazz & Spike were treated as underdogs against the Dudleyz, when Tazz use to annihilate both Bubba Ray and D-Von on his own in ECW.

[Guest]

Gotta say no as well .

 

They dropped the ball with him as well when they signed him.

 

I prefer him as a bad ass heel, but I can barely see him getting a push to the IC Title.

 

Must admit though he is great on the mic.

[Guest dreamer420]

Tazz could have been a main eventer in the WWF but they really messed that one up.  Upon his arrival he choked out Kurt Angle and was built up as a bad ass motherfucker like in ECW.  Soon after he had that ***** feud with the Bossman and Albert.  If he was built up properly and was given a proper opponent following Angle, like someone who could actually take one of his tazzplexes, he would have been huge.  Tazz was over bigtime just after arriving in the WWF and now look.  A career ruined.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

seriously he can put on entertaining matches in the ring and we know he is excellent on the mic >>>

 

 

Gotta disagree here. Tazz was not good in ECW and he's no better in the WWF. He is terrible a selling and since Angle and Benoit can out-suplex him, he doesn't have that gimmick, either.

 

 

<<<all he needs is a good heel push, and for the commentators to not constantly bring up his size disadvantage.

 

I can think of several ideas for a slow push for him that would have him main-eventing by mid to late 2003.

 

does anyone have any ideas for a push or reasons why they wouldnt want to see or dont believe it could happen?>>>

 

 

I don't want it to happen simply because he's not that good in the ring.

                         -=Mike

[Guest Human Fly]

I would never say no, because nothing is out of the realm of possibility. Also, Taz(z) has a history of main eventing for ECW. But for it to happen there has to be a lot of things that go his way.

1. Lose some weight!

2. Austin doesn't come back

3. Rock away filming a movie for about 6 months

4. Get someone who will take his taz-plexes

5. Become a badass again

6. They should have him absolutely slaughter someone

7. Actually get him in some good matches

He's a long shot at best for main event status, but I wouldn't be shocked if he made an appearance in one or two main events.

[Guest muzanisa]

Too much damage done to his character and I don't see him playing anything else. He'd have to disappear for over a year, get in shape and come back with a monster push. Even then you'd have to keep him away from the big men. Can you imagine monster Taz against monster Brock?

[Guest muzanisa]

Sorry double post

 

I like the idea of him as a cruiser as they can bump for his offence.

[Guest buffybeast]

5'7, 240 Fat Taz against 6'4 285 Brock Lesnar?  No, I can't see it, unless it is a squash.

 

I think they could rebuild Taz' image if done properly.  However, the first thing Taz would have to do as everyone has already mentioned is lose weight.  He has got be at least 35 pounds heavier than when he first debuted in WWF two year ago.

 

Taz must develop a better offense and moveset.  the whole suplex, submission thing is boring.  He must also learn how to move better in the ring.

 

Finally, get him off commentating.  He can't be a nasty heel and do color too.

 

But of course none of this will happen.

[Guest dreamer420]

Taz must develop a better offense and moveset.  the whole suplex, submission thing is boring.  He must also learn how to move better in the ring.

Are you nuts?  His moveset is limited in the WWF because who in the WWF is going to get tossed on the back of their head.  Not too many guys.  ECW was a perfect fit for Taz because he could wrestle his own style and made it look good doing it.

[Guest netslob]

Taz(z) COULD be a main eventer, if Vince (and a few people on this thread) could get over their ingrained prejudices about his size.  i mean, Vince new he was small when he hired him.  we all know Vince likes the big, slow guys.  what was his line of thinking?  probably something along the lines of "Well, he's ECW World champ, lets sign him out from under Paul E. and watch them scramble to try and find someone new to stick the belt on such short notice".  asshole.

[Guest Anglesault]

Taz(z) COULD be a main eventer, if Vince (and a few people on this thread) could get over their ingrained prejudices about his size.  

Explain why a main eventer should be intimidated by a 5'8 man.

[Guest netslob]

Explain why a main eventer should be intimidated by a 5'8 man.

 

beats me.  but that's not MY job.  if this "Creative" team of theirs is worth their weight in gold, like the WWF shills like to say they are, they could find a way.  but then again, this entire topic is rhetorical, anyway.