In theory, what if steph won on raw...

[Guest Downhome]

Should I be shot for even reminding you all that this IS a possibility? I think so, eh? Anyhow...

 

...what could possibly be the WWF's motive to do this, if they did decide to do the "swerve" and go with that angle? Hell, I think it's a mistake just to have made it a POSSIBILITY to happen. I'm currious what the CASUAL fans would think about this, and what THEIR reaction to such a catastrophic event like that would be. I don't think there is ANY chance of it happening though, as I am fully convinced that Steph will be off of TV after tomorrow night, but the only question is...

 

...when will she return? Because we ALL know it wont be for good, lol. By the way, I also predict that when Steph IS gone, we will then see the return of Shane McMahon. I mean, after all...

 

...we can't POSSIBLY go without a McMahon on TV, now can we? Yep, Shane will have SOMETHING to do with Flair's RAW, just so we can have our dose of the McMahon's on that show as well, since Vince will be on Smackdown.

[Guest AM The Kid]

Aww man!

[Guest Tony149]

Steph shouldn't win. If they want to split the titles, then do a double pin with HHH & Jericho pinning Steph at the same time.

 

I think we'll see Shane come back somehow. Just to do Vince/Shane vs. Ric/David at a PPV.

[Guest Human Fly]

Steph won't win on Raw that's what I keep telling myself. But on the subject of Shane he's the McMahon I have the least problem with being on tv, because he's always in some match where he takes some nasty bumps. And for the most part the wrestler goes over.

[Guest goodhelmet]

The possibility just makes me sick to my stomach. I don't doubt the WWF is stupid enough to do something so retarded but I don't want to see it. Imagine, Steph could be world champion but Benoit has never held the belt. That's just fucked up!!!!!

[Guest Downhome]

But on the subject of Shane he's the McMahon I have the least problem with being on tv, because he's always in some match where he takes some nasty bumps. And for the most part the wrestler goes over.

I have no problem at all really with Shane, actually, I'd MUCH rather see him tearing it up in the ring than to see HHH going at it with whomever. Here is what I think will happen...

 

...I think Vince will "draft" David Flair to Smackdown just to piss of Ric, and I think we'll see Shane McMahon end up on Flair's RAW, because like I said...

 

...we MUST have at LEAST one McMahon on both show, that's just the rule of thumb don't ya know?

[Guest Downhome]

The possibility just makes me sick to my stomach. I don't doubt the WWF is stupid enough to do something so retarded but I don't want to see it. Imagine, Steph could be world champion but Benoit has never held the belt. That's just fucked up!!!!!

Well keep in mind, VINCE was at one time a champion, so NOTHING would really suprise me, lol.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

The difference is that Vince winning the title furthered a storyline and looking back at it now actually wasn't the worst decision, while Steph winning the title would just be a stupid swerve, one of the worst in wrestling history. Also keep in mind that Vince had wrestled some competitive matches prior to that (SVTM99, etc.), had plenty of interference to help him, and at the end of the day was a credible on screen character. Steph is a woman (and please don't say I'm sexist, because that makes a BIG difference) and really has done nothing to make anyone think she could be formidable in the ring.

[Guest teke184]

Shane is okay as long as he is NOT being booked in heavily-hyped matches and/or title shots.  I got FUCKING SICK of him during the Invasion because he was booked in several TV main events, including a WWF title shot against Kurt Angle.

 

 

Shane putting people over in matches with the same amount of hype as any other midcard match = GOOD.  Shane going over = BAD  Shane putting people over in matches where he takes bumps that MICK FOLEY would refuse to take = VERY BAD.  Doing shit like that raises the bar for all the people who have to go to work the next day as well as hurting more people, such as Kurt Angle, who was completely fucked after their brutal street fight at KOTR 2001.

[Guest Downhome]

The difference is that Vince winning the title furthered a storyline and looking back at it now actually wasn't the worst decision, while Steph winning the title would just be a stupid swerve, one of the worst in wrestling history. Also keep in mind that Vince had wrestled some competitive matches prior to that (SVTM99, etc.), had plenty of interference to help him, and at the end of the day was a credible on screen character. Steph is a woman (and please don't say I'm sexist, because that makes a BIG difference) and really has done nothing to make anyone think she could be formidable in the ring.

Hey, I'm not saying that having Steph win it wouldn't be a WHOLE lot worse than Vince, I'm, well, I'm just saying. Vince gave himself the belt, so I don't see why he wouldn't f'up this. Also, don't tell me that Vince winning it helped anything. There is absolutly no excuse for him doing that, and it helped nothing. Well, it did actually...

 

...it helped devalue the WWF World Title.

 

Vince also sucks ass in the ring, the ONLY thing impressive about him is the shape that he is in at his age, and that is all.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Vince winning the title helped HHH get over, a lot more so than Vince Russo's "I'm pissed off cuz I got screwed by the 'MSG incident'" smark storyline ever did. Vince winning led to the 6-pack challenge where HHH went over 4 of the WWF's top guys (and the Bulldog), led to his match with Austin (where he went over again), and led to the Vince-Steph-HHH storyline which put him over the top for good by making him the center of the promotion, which led to his series of wins over Foley and the Rock.

[Guest teke184]

Bullshit.  HHH STILL wasn't over after Vince won the title.  That's why he dropped the belt to The Big Slow at Survivor Series.  

 

HHH got heat by stealing Steph and ending Foley's career, then got further legitimacy by winning Wrestlemania as a heel and being the first guy to retain the title there since Diesel did at Wrestlemania 11.

 

The Unforgiven match may have helped some, but HHH wasn't NEARLY over until the start of the McMahon-Helmsley regime at Armageddon and ESPECIALLY the three clean jobs he had over Foley in early 2000.

[Guest]

Or...HHH will retain and Steph will stay....when the game pins Y2J.

[Guest]

HHH only got over (and not even ME over) because of Stephanie... and the marraige angle that went on forever... it still lingers on today.

 

I don't think it's just the Foley matches... The fans only cared about H because when you stick him time, and time, and time again as the main event star... they're all going to assume he's just good... no matter how boring he is.

 

About Stephanie winning the title... I have no response... I will stop watching the WWF if that happens.  It wouldn't be only due to that single event, I've just been turned off by the WWF's lame writing the last year or so.. and the matches are gradually sucking more.  

 

Steph winning the title would show disrespect to all of the fans, and more importantly, so much disrespect to the wrestlers that bust their ass all year.

[Guest]

Most casual fans share the same sentiments about Stephanie as the smarks do.   It doesn't take much intelligence to figure out that she just doesn't fit in wrestling... and that she has no acting talent.

 

A couple of my friends say their reason for not watching the WWF is because of the McMahon shoving themselves down our throat.  1 even said that how can we take the WWF seriously, when they are always on stealing the spotlight?  That was a complete mark saying that too...

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

If Steph won the title, I would boycott WWF and I would ask the whole Smarkboard to do the same. It might not make a difference...but I couldn't stand to see her with the title belt.

 

I don't think it will happen though.

 

*Crosses fingers v v tightly*

[Guest Sakura]

Steph is a woman (and please don't say I'm sexist, because that makes a BIG difference)

 

 

You're sexist. How does that make a BIG difference?

 

 

and really has done nothing to make anyone think she could be formidable in the ring.

 

 

She's the greatest Women's Champion of all time and has pinned two former male World Champions.

[Guest teke184]

There's not much *I* can do, as I already cancelled my extended cable when the nWo came back and I only watch tapes of WWF TV when they have an above-average show like they did last week.

 

And Sakura, any comment about Steph having legitimacy is complete BULLSHIT.  At least Chyna went over some competition without having the entire locker room get involved as well as the 101st Airborne, which is what happened when the People's Champion jobbed to Daddy's Little Girl.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

"Steph is a woman (and please don't say I'm sexist, because that makes a BIG difference)

 

 

You're sexist. How does that make a BIG difference?"

 

Maybe you missunderstood what I meant. It makes a difference in that other than Chyna, there is really no woman who could look any bit credible beating a WWF heavyweight, particularly a piece of eye candy like Steph. Despite the fact he isn't a trained wrestler, Vince is pretty decent sized and looks like he could compete in the ring.

[Guest Sakura]

Maybe you missunderstood what I meant. It makes a difference in that other than Chyna, there is really no woman who could look any bit credible beating a WWF heavyweight, particularly a piece of eye candy like Steph. Despite the fact he isn't a trained wrestler, Vince is pretty decent sized and looks like he could compete in the ring.

 

 

It's a triple threat match. She doesn't need to be big. She can run away and cheat. Everyone says push cruisers and gets on Vince's case because he supposedly only wants to push big guys. Just because she's small doesn't mean she isn't deadly!

 

 

And Sakura, any comment about Steph having legitimacy is complete BULLSHIT.  At least Chyna went over some competition without having the entire locker room get involved as well as the 101st Airborne, which is what happened when the People's Champion jobbed to Daddy's Little Girl.

 

 

Steph pinned Jarrett and Rocky cleaner than any win Jericho got during his title reign.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

LOL, Stephanie is small but the only deadly thing about her is her voice.

 

it's not sexist to say a woman shouldn't win the WWF title, because realistically (stupid word to use in conjunction with the WWF, I know) a woman wouldn't be strong enough to beat a man, especially a woman like Steph who isn't even a wrestler.

[Guest Sakura]

Then we need to take the lightweights off TV, because realistically, they could never beat any of the big guys. I say they have Show squash all the little guys then fire them.

 

Stephanie is a role model. If she can win the WWF title and pin big strong guys, then maybe I can too! Like Kurt, Steph is an inspiration.

[Guest Downhome]

Then we need to take the lightweights off TV, because realistically, they could never beat any of the big guys. I say they have Show squash all the little guys then fire them.

 

Stephanie is a role model. If she can win the WWF title and pin big strong guys, then maybe I can too! Like Kurt, Steph is an inspiration.

Are you too blind to realize that there is a reason there is a Mens World Title AND a Womans World Title? It isn't being sexist, it's just that is the way it is. You don't see The Rock winning the Womans World Title from Jazz do you? I mean seriously, if you think Steph is a good wrestler/fighter/anything like that, then you SERIOUSLY need to lighten up on the crack.

[Guest Sakura]

Well, there is also a title for small wrestlers. Nobody complains when a cruiser weight leaves the division and moves onto the Heavy weight titles. Jericho, a former CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPION, was the first Undisputed Champ! That's an outrage!

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

I think we're being played here!

[Guest JHawk]

She's the greatest Women's Champion of all time and has pinned two former male World Champions

 

This was a joke, right?

 

How many former male World Champions has Chris Benoit pinned?  In World title matches.  WITHOUT being credited with winning the title?  Moot argument.

 

As far as the greatest Women's Champion of all time...she had two screw job wins over Lita before losing the title to her in their third meeting.  Those were her only defenses in six months.  The only reason anybody even remembered she was the women's champion is because she was on TV six times a day going "Look at me, Daddy gave me a title, you have to love me!"

[Guest Downhome]

Well, there is also a title for small wrestlers. Nobody complains when a cruiser weight leaves the division and moves onto the Heavy weight titles. Jericho, a former CRUISERWEIGHT CHAMPION, was the first Undisputed Champ! That's an outrage!

In theory, before the Cruisers step up to the Heavy division, they do indeed bulk up over the Cruiserweight weight limit. So, there goes that card. You ain't going to see a guy like Rey Jr. win the World title, as that would be unbeliveable for him to hold such a title.

 

I could go into this more, but you lost all credibility when you said that Steph was the greatest Womans World Champ of all time. Way to go, you have posted the most insane statement I've ever read here.

[Guest Sakura]

This was a joke, right?

 

 

No. Steph owns.

 

 

How many former male World Champions has Chris Benoit pinned?  In World title matches.  WITHOUT being credited with winning the title?  Moot argument.

 

 

Not really. Few would say Benoit isn't worthy of being champion. So what's your point?

 

 

 

In theory, before the Cruisers step up to the Heavy division, they do indeed bulk up over the Cruiserweight weight limit. So, there goes that card.

 

 

No. After leaving the women's division Steph started fighting men. Same thing.

 

 

 

You ain't going to see a guy like Rey Jr. win the World title, as that would be unbeliveable for him to hold such a title.

 

 

I'm going out on a limb here, but I highly doubt there would be an uproar if a guy like him or Tajiri won the WWF or IC title.

 

 

I could go into this more, but you lost all credibility when you said that Steph was the greatest Womans World Champ of all time.

 

 

Who is better? Trish? Lita? Sable? I don't think it's too far fetched to say Steph was the best....

 

 

Way to go, you have posted the most insane statement I've ever read here.

 

 

But apparently I'm wrong.

[Guest Mole]

"Then we need to take the lightweights off TV, because realistically, they could never beat any of the big guys. I say they have Show squash all the little guys then fire them.

 

Stephanie is a role model. If she can win the WWF title and pin big strong guys, then maybe I can too! Like Kurt, Steph is an inspiration."

 

First off, when a cruiser fights, he uses wrestling moves. They are quicker then the big men, and have a chance in the ring. However, Steph uses no wrestling moves. Unless you count slapping someone or pulling their hair.

 

You know what, women's wrestling sucks. When was the last time you saw a ***** women's wrestling match? Ahh, I have never seen one.

 

Fuck women's wrestling, and bring back the cruiserweights.

 

And silly Sakura, cruiserweights don't need to fight big men. They are in the cruiserweight division, with their own title.

[Guest Sakura]

First off, when a cruiser fights, he uses wrestling moves. They are quicker then the big men, and have a chance in the ring. However, Steph uses no wrestling moves. Unless you count slapping someone or pulling their hair.

 

 

I don't know about you, but in my copy of Smackdown for Playstation the Women's Special Slap is every bit as powerful as the Rock Bottom. Oh yeah!

 

 

You know what, women's wrestling sucks. When was the last time you saw a ***** women's wrestling match? Ahh, I have never seen one.

 

 

Yeah, that is why Steph left the women's division to fight the men. the other women were holding her down. She is the smartest woman in sports entertainment.

 

 

And silly Sakura, cruiserweights don't need to fight big men. They are in the cruiserweight division, with their own title

 

 

Yeah, but they often leave to bigger and better things.