The one and only oscars thread

[Guest KOR420]

yea,i just got unlazy and turned them on,this is a long ass show

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

yea,i just got unlazy and turned them on,this is a long ass show

 

Has there ever been an Academy Awards that ended on time?

[Guest teke184]

I think the last time it ended close to on-time was about 10-15 years ago.

 

And I guess this means I'll be watching Training Day tomorrow...  Good thing I bought it this afternoon.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Mel Gibson presents Best Director.

 

And the winner is...

 

Ron Howard, A Beautiful Mind

[Guest KOR420]

he won best director,i think we all know what the best movie will be

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Tom Hanks presents Best Picture.

 

And the winner is...

 

A Beautiful Mind

[Guest KOR420]

told you so

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Lord of the Rings was screwed.

[Guest J*ingus]

No, LOTR was simply a sci-fi/fantasy flick.  Those never win.  

 

Overall, most of the awards were foregone conclusions, with just a bit of wiggle room over which techie awards would be taken home by LOTR or Moulin Rouge.  The only real surprises were Supporting Actor and Foreign Film.

[Guest KOR420]

I'm left out because I've never seen a beautiful mind(nor do i intend to) or LOTR but i'll judge by the monster box office sales of LOTR it probably did get screwed,there not gonna let opie lose

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Jaws lost.

Star Wars lost.

Raiders of the Lost Ark lost.

ET lost.

And now LOTR lost.

[Guest ArkhamGlobe]

I haven't seen "A Beautiful Mind" (nor do I intend to, as it seems like nothing but sentimental tripe to me) so I can't really comment on it, so this goes more on the basis of the body of work, but how the FUCK can Ron Howard beat the likes of Robert Altman and David Lynch? I wouldn't consider him to be even close to being even in the same league as the other four directors (I don't think he's a bad director, I usually find his films to be decent-good, his directorial style is just rather flat and unimaginative, to me atleast). It would have been really cool to see Peter Jackson win however, especially considering the films he's made before.

 

But, to discuss the rest of the awards, no real surprises, I picked 15 of the winners correctly, the only real shocker was "No Man's Land" winning best foreign language film. It was really hard for me to pick which film to root for in that category though, as both "No Man's Land" and "Amelie" were in my top four for last year (of those I've seen).

 

All in all, a rather flat and predictable show, perfectly suiting a rather flat movie year.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Jaws lost.

Star Wars lost.

Raiders of the Lost Ark lost.

ET lost.

And now LOTR lost.

 

 

I hate all those movies as intense as a HHH promo...except for Raiders of the Lost Ark...that one was good.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

I refuse to accept this sci-fi bullshit. LOTR was simply a better movie then A Beautiful Mind. The fact that LOTR contained a bunch of foreigners and was shot by a foreigner in a foreign land hurt it. There was only one non-yankee in ABM, and it was the new Tom Hanks of the Academy to it didn't matter. Having said that, I was giving a big ol Stone Cold saulte to Crowe when Denzel was up there. Go Denzel.

 

It's been said before and it's being said again: Politics own that show. No matter what, the best movie did NOT win tonight, nor did the best supporting actor. Kingsley and McKellan both got fucked.

 

I also don't like the fact that Ron Howard won. I agree, Lynch or Altman have proved time and time again that they're much better craftsmen in the world of film then Opie. I personally was rooting for Jackson, because once again, LOTR was a better film.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Altman should have won Best Director.  It was a harder film to direct than the other nominees, and Altman not having an Oscar is pitiful.

 

I was actually surprised that LOTR got nominated given the Academy's bias against Sci-Fi/Fantasy.

[Guest teke184]

Fuck Altman.  He's had a few good movies (MASH, The Player, etc. I haven't seen Nashville or Short Cuts, though), but a lot of crap in the past few years like Ready To Wear and Dr. T.  He should have won the award back when he directed MASH, not as a lifetime achievement award.

[Guest chirs3]

If LOTR lost because it is "simply a sci-fi fantasy flick", then that award show is run by idiots.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

well, IMO, it is.

 

And how awful was Halle Berry's speech? God, she made Paltrow look restrained.

[Guest El Satanico]

LOTR didn't get screwed. It may be a good movie but it wasn't the only good movie that got nominated. Now if something like Pearl Harbor won the Oscar then LOTR and every other movie would've got screwed.

 

And even though i'm a fan of the movies, Star Wars didn't deserve a best picture award unless that year was full of nothing but shitty movies. ET didn't deserve it either.

 

Where the hell is Kubrick's life time acievement award damnit?

[Guest Choken One]

I never saw Gosford Park or Moulin Rouge (I won't even look at it) but of the other three nominees, ITB was the better overall movie but I agree that ABM was better then some other Bloated movies that have won this one (Titanic,Shakespere in Love, etc.) but remember there are two more LOTR movies, so they have a chance next year although Sequels (If you count this as a sequel) rarely get nominated much less win it,other then Godfather II.

 

I was glad to see Denzel Washington Win because he has made so many good movies but It won't make up for Morgan Freeman being screwed in 1994 for Shawshank for Gary Sinese, or even Samuel L. Jackson fr Pulp Ficton (which was in the same year if I recall).

 

Halle Barry made some shitty movies over the years (BAPS, Xmen and others) but Monster's ball was great and she was worthy of it...Hopefully she won't pull a Whoopie and tank her career with shitty movie after shitty movie (Eddie and many others)

 

Altman was good but as someone mentioed, he has made bad movies and Ron Howard was not worthy of it, He made one other good movie and that was mainly because he had the Greatest Actor of the past 15 years and a good support cast doing the work for him, of course That's Apollo 13 (I think he directed it)

 

The other 20 awards don't amount to a hill of beans.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Altman was good but as someone mentioed, he has made bad movies and Ron Howard was not worthy of it, He made one other good movie and that was mainly because he had the Greatest Actor of the past 15 years and a good support cast doing the work for him, of course That's Apollo 13 (I think he directed it)

 

Yes, Howard should have won for Apollo 13.  He didn't even get nominated.

 

But Altman should have won for Gosford Park.  Even if this was his first movie, it was the best directing job all year.  But the Academy doesn't really understand the award, as they don't many others (Editing, Sound Editing, Documentary, etc.).  The Academy either gives Best Director to the Best Picture, or sometimes to the film that came in second as a consolation prize.

[Guest Choken One]

I always liked the logic of Best Picture winning Best Director because they make the magic.

[Guest]

All right moviegoers, lets get a couple things straight, if you weeeeeelllllll.

 

Best Supporting Actor: I have not seen In The Bedroom, and frankly, I don't care to, although I may someday, if it is 50 cents at the local video store.  That said, Ian McKellen should've won.  I have also not seen Sexy Beast and although I hear that Kingsley was good, McKellen is the man in LotR.

 

Best Director: Ron Howard winning is not a bad thing, at all.  He has done terrific work in the past.  Most notably, Apollo 13, Ransom and Willow (which rocked the body that rocked the party.)  Howard is a fine director, and very deserving, because, unlike Gosford Park, A Beautiful Mind is never boring and Peter Jackson, as far as I can tell didn't do anything too spectacular with LotR, from a directing sense.

 

Best Actor in a Leading Role:  Now, I loved Denzel's performance in Training Day and it would have been the best performance of the year, if Russell Crowe hadn't done A Beautiful Mind.  A certain Entertainment Weekly Columnist said that is Crowe hadn't won last year for Gladiator, this year would be no contest.  He is absolutely right.  Crowe would be a shoe in, if they took just the performances that happened this year in that context.  To hell with all the BS that Crowe is a mean guy.  Who cares?  Just because Denzel is a great guy in real life should have no bearing on if he wins an Oscar for ACTING.  Crowe did a better job this year, and considering how awesome Washington's performance was, that is definitely saying something.

 

Best Picture:  I have no problem with ABM winning, although, I personally would've voted for LotR.  All I can say if, thank god it wasn't Moulin "I am a long crappy musical love story" Rouge.

 

What?  You disagree?

[Guest El Satanico]

Hey the way i see at least no clearly underserving movies or actors won. Even if you happened to like a certian actor or movie doesn't mean you should be pissed over another good performance or movie beating it out. Also just because it isn't your kind of movie doesn't mean it's less deserving then the movie you loved.

 

Kinda like when Cuba Gooding Jr. won it when he didn't deserve it at all and was overshadowed majorly by the rest of his category. I don't forget Marisa Tomei for friggin My Cousin Vinny.

[Guest teke184]

Marissa Tomei may not be the best choice in history for Best Supporting Actress, but that category is usually worthless anyway.  Just about the only acclaimed performance ever to receive that award is Linda Hunt portraying a man in Year Of Living Dangerously.

 

As for Cuba Gooding Jr, he was BY FAR the worst actor in the category.  The winner should have been Edward Norton for Primal Fear or William Macy for Fargo, IMHO.

[Guest godthedog]

when ron howard wins against david fucking lynch (who is hitting his peak and is the best director working right now in america, if not the world), there's something wrong.  'ransom', 'apollo 13' & 'willow' aren't even in the same league as 'lost highway', 'blue velvet' or 'eraserhead'.

 

that said, i did not see 'a beautiful mind'.  but looking at howard's track record, as compared to lynch's track record, makes me feel pretty secure with my opinion.

[Guest JerryDrake]

As for Cuba Gooding Jr, he was BY FAR the worst actor in the category.  The winner should have been Edward Norton for Primal Fear or William Macy for Fargo, IMHO.

Leave Cuba alone, he was great in Boyz N Tha Hood, he showed tons of emotion.

[Guest JerryDrake]

Oh yeah biggest bullshit of the year, Johnny Depp didnt get nommiated for Blow.

[Guest teke184]

Worst actor may have been exagerating, but he had the worst PERFORMANCE of the five by FAR.  

 

For those who don't want to look it up, the nominees were:

 

Cuba Gooding Jr. for Jerry Maguire (winner)

Ed Norton for Primal Fear

William H. Macy for Fargo

Armin Mueller-Stahl for Shine

James Woods for Ghosts of Mississippi

 

Personally, I don't see how a guy yelling "Show me the money!" beat the great performances by Norton or Macy, but this may have been the reult of a VERY split vote.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Macy should have won that Oscar, no question.