All-Star Voting

[Guest alkeiper]

Remember Mike Cameron almost was voted in last year. Japanese voters follow the M's and they see Cameron plays for the Mariners so their more inclined to vote for him.

 

They at least have an excuse.

 

Cameron hit 4 home runs in a game in April, so unless you directly looked up his stats, that's the image you'd have.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

That's true. But being a teammate of the most popular player in the country helps.

[Guest Choken One]

How the fuck isn't Dunn on the list and yet Patterson is? How did Junior get ahead of Kearns?

 

Fucking Idiots. Sosa will fall out due to the Corking Bat (Fans will reflect negatively on that)...so thet brings up Pujols.

[Bored 0]

How the fuck isn't Dunn on the list and yet Patterson is?

Your kidding right? If your a Reds fan you do realize Adam Dunn is hitting. 209 right? Corey Patterson is hitting .315. Batting average is an overrated statistic but it ain't overrated when there is that big of a difference. Adam Dunn is nothing but the 2nd coming of Rob Deer.

[Guest alkeiper]

Corey Patterson .315/.338/.556

Adam Dunn .209/.322/.537

 

Sure Patterson's got 100 points of batting average over Dunn, but that's just about useless. All that means is that Patterson hits singles, and Dunn draws walks. Not much of a difference. And before anyone says that singles drive in runs, both are about even in RBI. Patterson's stats are higher, but they're higly dependant on batting average, which fluctuates. Dunn on the other hand is too good not to improve. And when he does, look out.

[Bored 0]

Corey Patterson .315/.338/.556

Adam Dunn .209/.322/.537

 

Sure Patterson's got 100 points of batting average over Dunn, but that's just about useless. All that means is that Patterson hits singles, and Dunn draws walks. Not much of a difference. And before anyone says that singles drive in runs, both are about even in RBI. Patterson's stats are higher, but they're higly dependant on batting average, which fluctuates. Dunn on the other hand is too good not to improve. And when he does, look out.

Being a 100% Billy Beane desciple I understand how unimportant batting average can be but when your hitting .209, I don't give a shit about many walks you draw or how many homeruns you hit. A .209 batting average is a .209 batting average no matter how you slice it. Even when you take in Dunn's power and walk numbers, Patterson is still having a better year then Dunn. He hits so little that it offsets his ability to walk. A .322 obp is not very good.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Patterson bats either 1st or 2nd, not traditional run producing spots in the lineup. Dunn does bat in run producing spots in the lineup.

[Guest alkeiper]

And that means what?

[Guest Vern Gagne]

And that means what?

...that Patterson's rbi are coming in a spot in the lineup you don't see alot of rbi's, besides having the better year, I find the rbi total more impressive.

[Guest alkeiper]

...that Patterson's rbi are coming in a spot in the lineup you don't see alot of rbi's, besides having the better year, I find the rbi total more impressive.

 

Only problem with that theory is that Patterson's had more at bats with runners on than Dunn had.

[Bored 0]

...that Patterson's rbi are coming in a spot in the lineup you don't see alot of rbi's, besides having the better year, I find the rbi total more impressive.

 

Only problem with that theory is that Patterson's had more at bats with runners on than Dunn had.

But its just more natural for someone who bats 1st or 2nd to have fewer rbi opportunities than someone who hits in the middle of the order. I mean there is a reason why Rickey Henderson's career high in rbi was only 74. Also in his MVP year of 1990 he hit 28 homeruns and had a .577 slugging pct. yet only had 61 rbi. Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco on the other hand each had more than 100 rbi even though they both had a lower slugging pct. than Rickey.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

What player finishes 8th and 9th in OF voting doesn't seem that important.

 

On another issue. Does anyone else think that since the All-Star game now means something.

That fan voting should not occur, and not everyteam should have a rep? If this game isn't just an exhibition in the traditional sense. The best players should be picked.

[Guest alkeiper]

On another issue. Does anyone else think that since the All-Star game now means something.

That fan voting should not occur, and not everyteam should have a rep? If this game isn't just an exhibition in the traditional sense. The best players should be picked.

 

The most important thing is that the all star game seems important to the FANS. Take the vote away, and the backlash erases any positive step you've made. Besides, the fans don't often make an outright embarassing pick. And no, the all star game is no more important now than it was before.

[Guest alkeiper]

On another issue. Does anyone else think that since the All-Star game now means something.

That fan voting should not occur, and not everyteam should have a rep? If this game isn't just an exhibition in the traditional sense. The best players should be picked.

 

The most important thing is that the all star game seems important to the FANS. Take the vote away, and the backlash erases any positive step you've made. Besides, the fans don't often make an outright embarassing pick. And no, the all star game is no more important now than it was before.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

And no, the all star game is no more important now than it was before.

In MLB's eyes the game is more important. Homefield for the World Series is on the line.

[Guest alkeiper]

It only matters if the fans care. If the fans cared fanatically about the All Star game before, then no one would try and change it.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

The idea is to make the fans more interested. Even if it doesn't work, the winning league gets homefield in the World Series. That's about as significant has you can get.

[Bored 0]

Here's the A.L. voting update...Delgado takes the lead at 1st!

 

First Base

 

Player Team Total Votes

 

Delgado, C. Blue Jays 299,219

Giambi, Ja. Yankees 269,906

Palmeiro, R. Rangers 192,772

Sweeney, M. Royals 142,387

Olerud, J. Mariners 138,697

 

 

Second Base

 

Player Team Total Votes

 

Soriano, A. Yankees 572,156

Boone, B. Mariners 301,276

Walker, T. Red Sox 94,821

Kennedy, A. Angels 86,259

Rivas, L. Twins 53,644

 

 

Third Base

 

Player Team Total Votes

 

Glaus, T. Angels 230,167

Chavez, E. Athletics 197,295

Ventura, R. Yankees 184,679

Blalock, H. Rangers 155,366

Koskie, C. Twins 86,731

 

 

Shortstop

 

Player Team Total Votes

 

Rodriguez, A. Rangers 452,627

Garciaparra, N. Red Sox 282,112

Jeter, D. Yankees 181,514

Tejada, M. Athletics 87,396

Eckstein, D. Angels 78,405

 

 

Catcher

 

Player Team Total Votes

 

Posada, J. Yankees 439,472

Varitek, J. Red Sox 150,189

Pierzynski, A.J. Twins 144,341

Alomar, S. White Sox 122,693

Wilson, D. Mariners 114,965

 

 

Designated Hitter

 

Player Team Total Votes

 

Martinez, E. Mariners 355,493

Everett, C. Rangers 210,572

Johnson, N. Yankees 119,864

Thomas, F. White Sox 104,946

Giambi, Je. Red Sox 104,840

 

 

Outfield

 

Player Team Total Votes

 

Suzuki, I. Mariners 418,925

Ramirez, M. Red Sox 333,154

Hunter, T. Twins 275,158

Williams, B. Yankees 250,607

Gonzalez, J. Rangers 238,633

Matsui, H. Yankees 206,653

Mondesi, R. Yankees 189,257

Anderson, G. Angels 186,992

Cameron, M. Mariners 147,875

Baldelli, R. Devil Rays 127,626

Salmon, T. Angels 127,364

Wells, V. Blue Jays 118,562

Erstad, D. Angels 116,055

Damon, J. Red Sox 112,889

Ordonez, M. White Sox 112,838

[Bored 0]

Here are my A.L. picks for the week. Current vote leaders are in CAPS. Players not listed last week have * next to their name.

 

C: JORGE POSADA, New York; A.J. Piersynski, Minnesota

1B: CARLOS DELGADO, Toronto; Mike Sweeney, Kansas City

2B: ALFONSO SORIANO, New York; Bret Boone, Seattle

3B: TROY GLAUS, Anaheim; Hank Blalock, Texas; Bill Mueller*, Boston

SS: ALEX RODRIGUEZ, Texas; Nomar Garciaparra, Boston

OF: ICHIRO SUZUKI, Seattle; MANNY RAMIREZ, Boston; TORII HUNTER, Minnesota; Carl Everett, Texas; Melvin Mora, Baltimore; Garret Anderson*, Anaheim; Aubrey Huff, Tampa Bay; Milton Bradley*, Cleveland

DH: EDGAR MARTINEZ, Seattle

 

Pitchers: Esteban Loaiza, Chicago; Jamie Moyer*, Seattle; Barry Zito, Oakland; Gil Meche, Seattle; Mike Mussina, New York; Mark Mulder, Oakland; David Wells, New York; Nate Cornejo, Detroit; Eddie Guradado, Minnesota; Keith Foulke, Oakland; Ugueth Urbina, Texas; Brendan Donnelly, Anaheim

Edited June 10, 2003 by Bored

[Guest Vern Gagne]

How did Hunter move into the Top 3? The Twins where on the road last week. As much has I'm a fan of Hunter, he isn't deserving at this point.

 

I think Detroit's rep might end up being Dmitri Young. The manager tends to reward the veteran player more than the younger player.

[Bored 0]

I think Detroit's rep might end up being Dmitri Young. The manager tends to reward the veteran player more than the younger player.

Yes I could have gone with Young but it basically came down to who I picked in Cleveland and I decided to go with Bradley over C.C. Sabathia this week and that left no spots in the outfield so I stuck with Cornejo for now.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Yes I could have gone with Young but it basically came down to who I picked in Cleveland and I decided to go with Bradley over C.C. Sabathia this week and that left no spots in the outfield so I stuck with Cornejo for now.

Next time get my approval before posting your selections

 

Right know the only position I see truely being up in the air is that third OF spot. Glaus looks to be pulling away, and I think Delgado will hold on know that he took over first place.

[Guest alkeiper]

Your selections are good except for Donnelly as a pitcher. I just don't think middle relievers are deserving of all star selections. Replace him with Roy Halladay, who is 8-2, and 3rd in the AL in strikeouts.

 

For the Tigers, I would go with Dmitri Young. Cornejo worries me. No one in baseball strikes out so few batters and gets away with it. (Though if he had personality, he'd be Mark Fidrych) I'd take Dmitri Young because he could do good for the AL roster. You can play him at first, left, right, and thrid in a pinch. Forget the stats in this instance. Its all about roster management.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Upon further review, the only Orioles player that will make the All Star game is Sidney Ponson. Hes 8-3, (5th in the AL in wins) 3.80 ERA, 64 strikeouts (6th in the AL) and 2 Complete Games (4th in the AL).

 

The sad fact of this is that he is a Free Agent at the end of the year and will probably get dealt to some team needing a Starter around the July 31rst trade deadline. But he is pretty much a lock for the All Star game representing the Os (unless they trade him before then, which is a possibility)

If he does get dealt then I have no clue who goes for the Orioles. Probably Julio...

[Guest alkeiper]

If not Ponson, then definately Mora. He's hitting .365/.465/.597. Plus he can play anywhere on the field, which makes him a good bench guy to have.

[Guest Downhome]

I can't believe that no one has picked Javy Lopez yet, or I didn't catch his name as I looked over all of this.

 

He's not only have the greatest year in his career, but he's quite possibly the hottest guy in Baseball at the moment.

[Guest alkeiper]

Why not Javy Lopez?

 

1. He sucked, big time, before this year.

 

2. His recent hot streak has "fluke" written all over it.

 

3. His slugging is sky-high, but his On Base Percentage is middle of the road. So he's swinging for the fences. That's all well and good, but the streak won't last. He'll come back to earth.

 

I know I've stated this time and time again, but you don't become a star by going on a hot streak. An all star is an athlete who establishes a high level of performance, season after season. Lets see Javy hit 30 HRs two seasons straight and then we'll talk. Until then, he's another Rick Wilkins.

[Guest Downhome]

Why not Javy Lopez?

 

1. He sucked, big time, before this year.

 

2. His recent hot streak has "fluke" written all over it.

 

3. His slugging is sky-high, but his On Base Percentage is middle of the road. So he's swinging for the fences. That's all well and good, but the streak won't last. He'll come back to earth.

 

I know I've stated this time and time again, but you don't become a star by going on a hot streak. An all star is an athlete who establishes a high level of performance, season after season. Lets see Javy hit 30 HRs two seasons straight and then we'll talk. Until then, he's another Rick Wilkins.

So what? The All Star game is all about the best players out there at the moment really, and when it comes down to it, he's one of the best out there right NOW.

[Bored 0]

Your selections are good except for Donnelly as a pitcher. I just don't think middle relievers are deserving of all star selections. Replace him with Roy Halladay, who is 8-2, and 3rd in the AL in strikeouts.

 

For the Tigers, I would go with Dmitri Young. Cornejo worries me. No one in baseball strikes out so few batters and gets away with it. (Though if he had personality, he'd be Mark Fidrych) I'd take Dmitri Young because he could do good for the AL roster. You can play him at first, left, right, and thrid in a pinch. Forget the stats in this instance. Its all about roster management.

You know I'm not big on middle relievers on the All-Star team either but the last couple of years they have been picked and two years ago two made the A.L. squad. Donnelly's numbers are really amazing though (1 ER and 17 hits allowed in 32 innings, 38 strikeouts). I also try to be a bit realistic with my picks as well since Mike Scoscia will be the manager for the A.L. so that definently increases the chances Donnelly will be selected. Halladay has an ERA over 4 so he doesn't get consideration although a lot of the top A.L. pitchers have been getting lit up of late so things could change.

 

Maybe by next week I'll put Young on team as realizing he does play 3rd and 1st as well. I have been sticking with 20 players and 12 pitchers.

[Bored 0]

Upon further review, the only Orioles player that will make the All Star game is Sidney Ponson. Hes 8-3, (5th in the AL in wins) 3.80 ERA, 64 strikeouts (6th in the AL) and 2 Complete Games (4th in the AL).

I did give him a look this week but his ERA is a little too high for my liking at this point but Melvin Mora is having an amazing year so far and right now would have to make the team so there is an outside chance the Orioles could have two selections.