Bored 0 Report post Posted June 25, 2003 N.L. voting update...1st base in incredibly close right now and as I've never seen a race this close this late in the voting. Braves fans definently stuffed the ballot boxes this week as Braves players took the lead at three positions. Sammy Sosa still is in 2nd but he's gone from a 180,000+ vote lead over 4th place two weeks ago before the cork bat incident to a less than 80,000 vote lead over 4th. He'll definently be 3rd by next week (the last update) but still doubtful that Pujols can overtake him. First Base Player Team Total Votes Helton, T. Rockies 379,713 Bagwell, J. Astros 379,499 Thome, J. Phillies 294,904 Martinez, T. Cardinals 231,721 Choi, H. Cubs 194,238 Second Base Player Team Total Votes Giles, M. Braves 418,742 Kent, J. Astros 384,329 Boone, A. Reds 259,483 Alomar, R. Mets 242,721 Vidro, J. Expos 223,936 Third Base Player Team Total Votes Rolen, S. Cardinals 713,710 Castilla, V. Braves 306,233 Lowell, M. Marlins 300,047 Hillenbrand, S. Diamondbacks 233,563 Alfonzo, E. Giants 163,847 Shortstop Player Team Total Votes Furcal, R. Braves 526,630 Renteria, E. Cardinals 483,765 Aurilia, R. Giants 235,480 Gonzalez, A. Cubs 202,050 Rollins, J. Phillies 178,228 Catcher Player Team Total Votes Lopez, J. Braves 410,630 Rodriguez, I. Marlins 395,927 Piazza, M. Mets 282,226 Santiago, B. Giants 266,350 Matheny, M. Cardinals 187,814 Outfield Player Team Total Votes Bonds, B. Giants 744,095 Sosa, S. Cubs 565,590 Sheffield, G. Braves 565,177 Pujols, A. Cardinals 486,197 Jones, A. Braves 460,253 Guerrero, V. Expos 356,677 Jones, C. Braves 346,698 Edmonds, J. Cardinals 342,295 Griffey Jr., K. Reds 242,376 Dunn, A. Reds 199,447 Kearns, A. Reds 184,260 Cruz Jr., J. Giants 165,104 Alou, M. Cubs 159,378 Green, S. Dodgers 152,802 Patterson, C. Cubs 147,821 Oh and I have a massive headache tonight and am in the process of moving and don't feel like bothering to make N.L. picks so someone else can do it if they want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 25, 2003 Since Lopez will win at catcher, Santiago will be the backup. Haven't looked at his numbers but they where second best in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted June 25, 2003 The backup catcher HAS to be Paul LoDuca. He got screwed the last two years and once again he's among the league leaders in batting average. Lieberthal should be third. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 30, 2003 The final A.L. voting update before the starters are announced next week and apparantly the finally got around to counting the Japanes votes and Hidek Matsui jumped from 7th to 2nd. Now Matsui has been hot of late and he is more deserving that Torii Hunter at this point but this dramatic of a change in voting due to the voting of one country where MLB doesn't have a team and as much as publicity as they get, Japanese players make up an incredibly small perecentage of MLB players is a joke. Who gives a shit if they pop a big t.v. rating in Japan when MLB continues to alienate baseball fans in America and Canada. American and Canadian fans do care about Inchiro Suzuki as evidence by the amount of votes he's had before this bump in votes but they don't give a shit about Hideki Matsui and he does not deserve to be on the All-Star team period, end of story. First Base Player Team Total Votes Delgado, C. Blue Jays 862,610 Giambi, Ja. Yankees 707,312 Palmeiro, R. Rangers 408,088 Olerud, J. Mariners 389,083 Sweeney, M. Royals 317,769 Second Base Player Team Total Votes Soriano, A. Yankees 1,269,610 Boone, B. Mariners 912,735 Kennedy, A. Angels 249,451 Walker, T. Red Sox 245,435 Rivas, L. Twins 150,284 Third Base Player Team Total Votes Glaus, T. Angels 627,189 Chavez, E. Athletics 469,324 Ventura, R. Yankees 449,549 Blalock, H. Rangers 408,441 Cirillo, J. Twins 284,501 Shortstop Player Team Total Votes Rodriguez, A. Rangers 1,013,596 Garciaparra, N. Red Sox 731,903 Jeter, D. Yankees 527,951 Eckstein, D. Angels 227,579 Tejada, M. Athletics 212,024 Catcher Player Team Total Votes Posada, J. Yankees 1,046,599 Pierzynski, A.J. Twins 378,824 Varitek, J. Red Sox 359,380 Wilson, D. Mariners 319,022 Alomar, S. White Sox 306,120 Designated Hitter Player Team Total Votes Martinez, E. Mariners 1,066,435 Everett, C. Rangers 413,132 Thomas, F. White Sox 304,057 Johnson, N. Yankees 268,619 Giambi, Je. Red Sox 254,535 Outfield Player Team Total Votes Suzuki, I. Mariners 1,618,015 Matsui, H. Yankees 1,038,784 Ramirez, M. Red Sox 808,529 Hunter, T. Twins 702,475 Williams, B. Yankees 551,229 Gonzalez, J. Rangers 523,277 Anderson, G. Angels 511,539 Cameron, M. Mariners 409,561 Mondesi, R. Yankees 405,193 Wells, V. Blue Jays 335,791 Baldelli, R. Devil Rays 333,135 Salmon, T. Angels 319,637 Erstad, D. Angels 293,135 Ordoñez, M. White Sox 236,208 Damon, J. Red Sox 232,400 Oh and btw I don't have internet access at the moment for my own computer and am using a friend's computer or going to the library so I'm not going to bother with making all-star picks again this week and I think I'll just make predictions on the reserves the day before they announced in about a week and a half. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted June 30, 2003 Here's mine for an article I'm working on Eric Byrnes, Oak Melvin Mora, Bal Frank Thomas, CWS Bret Boone, Sea Jason Giambi, NYY Nomar Garciaparra, Bos Hank Blalock, Tex Jason Varitek, Bos Vernon Wells, Tor Aubrey Huff, TB Milton Bradley, Cle Dmitri Young, Det A.J. Pierzynski, Min Esteban Loazia, CWS Roy Halladay, Tor Mark Mulder, Oak Jamie Moyer, Sea David Wells, NYY Mike Mussina, NYY Gil Meche, Sea Sidney Ponson, Bal Keith Foulke, Oak Mike MacDougal, KC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 30, 2003 How in the holy hell did Matsui make such a huge jump in one week? What about Koskie? The numbers are similar to Blalock, and he's better defensively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 N.L. voting update....catcher, 2nd base, shortstop, and the 3rd outfield spot are all up for grabs still. Unfortunently Sammy Sosa appears secure to be voted in but hopefully he'll do the right thing and sit out the game because there are too many good outfielders in the N.L. that will be snubbed. First Base Player Team Total Votes Helton, T. Rockies 730,043 Bagwell, J. Astros 548,749 Thome, J. Phillies 442,803 Martinez, T. Cardinals 380,946 Snow, J. Giants 266,982 Second Base Player Team Total Votes Giles, M. Braves 587,648 Kent, J. Astros 572,768 Boone, A. Reds 402,652 Alomar, R. Mets 376,305 Vidro, J. Expos 320,673 Third Base Player Team Total Votes Rolen, S. Cardinals 1,076,304 Castilla, V. Braves 455,750 Lowell, M. Marlins 449,121 Bell, D. Phillies 256,445 Alfonzo, E. Giants 245,411 Shortstop Player Team Total Votes Renteria, E. Cardinals 771,386 Furcal, R. Braves 728,970 Aurilia, R. Giants 330,736 Gonzalez, A. Cubs 276,401 Rollins, J. Phillies 272,945 Catcher Player Team Total Votes Lopez, J. Braves 606,688 Rodriguez, I. Marlins 584,123 Piazza, M. Mets 454,396 Santiago, B. Giants 361,433 Matheny, M. Cardinals 322,659 Outfield Player Team Total Votes Bonds, B. Giants 1,157,384 Sosa, S. Cubs 894,156 Sheffield, G. Braves 811,239 Pujols, A. Cardinals 793,109 Jones, A. Braves 622,771 Edmonds, J. Cardinals 544,028 Guerrero, V. Expos 488,424 Jones, C. Braves 486,729 Griffey Jr., K. Reds 414,009 Wilson, P. Rockies 312,902 Dunn, A. Reds 288,139 Walker, L. Rockies 262,362 Kearns, A. Reds 252,913 Drew, J. Cardinals 246,388 Green, S. Dodgers 237,546 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 2, 2003 Unfortunently Sammy Sosa appears secure to be voted in but hopefully he'll do the right thing and sit out the game because there are too many good outfielders in the N.L. that will be snubbed. What the hell? Do the right thing? Since when did doing the right thing consist of not playing the all star game because some snobby fan doesn't think you've played well enough this year. 800,000 fans want him to play, and they're the ones MLB are trying to please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 Unfortunently Sammy Sosa appears secure to be voted in but hopefully he'll do the right thing and sit out the game because there are too many good outfielders in the N.L. that will be snubbed. What the hell? Do the right thing? Since when did doing the right thing consist of not playing the all star game because some snobby fan doesn't think you've played well enough this year. 800,000 fans want him to play, and they're the ones MLB are trying to please. Most of those votes came before the corked bat incident and his lead had shrunk over the 4th place N.L. outfield from about 280,000 votes to about 80,000 votes until this past week as imagine with the Japanese votes being counted Sosa got a nice bump this week. Sosa doesn't deserve to be on the team and I doubt the fans really want him there anymore. Plus Sosa being there will just be a distraction to the actual game and considering the game is at Comisky (add in that White Sox fans HATE Sosa) they might want to avoid any incidents with fans during the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 3, 2003 There will be plenty of Cub fans there. I think that Chicago fans who go and don't see Sammy would be disappointed, especially since he'll be the only Chicago player to start. (unless Loazia is chosen to start) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 3, 2003 I should add that the starters and reserves will be announced this Sunday which is different and seems a bit early as well but whatever. I guess I'll make my All-Star picks Saturday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2003 Here are my final All-Star picks/sort of predictions, as in I didn't only pick players I think should go and did pick some that I think will go but shouldn't. Now since they are announcing both the starters and reserves tommorrow I have to just go by who was leading in the voting last week to determine the starters. There were still a few races in the N.L. that were too close to call but I'll just go with who was leading. Starters are in CAPS. With the new selection process of having the players vote for the majority of the reserves (A.L manager choose 5, N.L. manager 7), and considering the voting took place about 10 days ago, it is impossible to predict the selections although my gut feeling is the players will choose more established stars. PLEASE NOTE: Mike Sweeney is currently on the DL and odds are he won't be back in time for the All-Star game but I put him on the team because he is deserving and due to the fact as stated before that the player voting took place over a week ago so he might be chosen anyways and then later replaced. Same goes for Jeff Kent (who might be voted as the starter since he was less than 20,000 votes behind) but he is more likely to be of the DL to play. AMERCIAN LEAGUE C: JORGE POSADA, New York; Jason Varitek, Boston 1B: CARLOS DELGADO, Toronto; Mike Sweeney, Kansas City 2B: ALFONSO SORIANO, New York; Bret Boone, Seattle 3B: TROY GLAUS, Anaheim; Hank Blalock, Texas SS: ALEX RODRIGUEZ, Texas; Nomar Garciaparra, Boston OF: ICHIRO SUZUKI, Seattle; HIDEKI MATSUI, New York; MANNY RAMIREZ, Boston; Melvin Mora, Baltimore; Garret Anderson, Anaheim; Vernon Wells, Toronto; Aubrey Huff, Tampa Bay; Dmitiri Young, Detroit DH: EDGAR MARTINEZ, Seattle; Frank Thomas, Chicago Pitchers: Esteban Loaiza, Chicago; Jamie Moyer, Seattle; Mark Mulder, Oakland; Gil Meche, Seattle; Mike Mussina, New York; Roy Halladay, Toronto; David Wells, New York; C.C. Sabathia, Cleveland; Keith Foulke, Oakland; Mike MacDougal, Kansas City; Eddie Guardado, Minnesota; Brendan Donnelly, Anaheim NATIONAL LEAGUE C: JAVY LOPEZ, Atlanta; Ivan Rodriguez, Florida 1B: TODD HELTON, Colorado; Richie Sexson, Milwaukee; Ryan Klesko, San Diego 2B: MARCUS GILES, Atlanta; Jose Vidro, Montreal; Jeff Kent, Houston 3B: SCOTT ROLEN, St. Louis; Mike Lowell, Florida SS: EDGAR RENTERIA, St. Louis; Alex Gonzalez, Florida OF: BARRY BONDS, San Francisco; SAMMY SOSA, Chicago; GARY SHEFFIELD, Atlanta; Albert Pujols, St. Louis; Jim Edmonds, St. Louis; Luis Gonzalez, Arizona; Brian Giles, Pittsburgh; Austin Kearns, Cincinnati Pitchers: Kevin Brown, Los Angeles; Jason Schmidt, San Francisco; Mark Prior, Chicago; Woody Williams, St. Louis; Randy Wolf, Philadelphia; Russ Ortiz, Atlanta; Dontrell Willis, Florida; John Smoltz, Atlanta; Eric Gagne, Los Angeles; Billy Wagner, Houston; Tim Worrell, San Francisco; Armando Benitez, New York Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 5, 2003 Two questions. One, why I-Rod over Lieberthal or LoDuca? Second, why so many NL Closers? I'm ok with a couple, but five are too much. I think starters deserve more recognition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 5, 2003 Koskie and Pierzynski should make it for the Twins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 5, 2003 Pierzynski only if the manager decides to carry a contingency catcher. Varitek has exploded, his numbers are about as good as Posadas'. Koskie's in a dillemma, because you can't pick anyone above Blalock. It's a matter of how the rosters are constructed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 5, 2003 Koskie could get picked over Blalock. The numbers are very similiar and Koskie is better defensively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 5, 2003 He COULD, but there's really nothing in the stat line that makes him any better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2003 Two questions. One, why I-Rod over Lieberthal or LoDuca? Second, why so many NL Closers? I'm ok with a couple, but five are too much. I think starters deserve more recognition. Rodriguez has surged the last few weeks and actually still had a shot at being voted the starter going into the last week. It was a tough call but power numbers typically get more consideration when choosing an All-Star team and his are better than Lieberthal's or LoDuca's. Five probably is too many and I could see Billy Wagner getting squeezed out. Smoltz and Gagne are locks and then Benitez is the only deserving Met and then Worrell I could see getting picked since Dusty Baker is the manager so he may take some of his former players and that's also why I put Kent on the team. Oh and shoud also add on Kent is if he is voted the starter that will open up a spot on the roster because Marcus Giles numbers have dropped drastically in recent weeks and would not be chosen to the team as a reserve if he isn't voted the starter. Also in both leagues for whatever reason the last month or so a lot of the top pitchers have been taking a beating and there are very few locks in terms of starting pitchers. I personally wouldn't put Dontrell Willis on the team because he hasn't pitched enough but with all the hype around him Bud Selig (who has a voice in the manager picks) will make sure he gets picked and I could also see him stepping in and making Rocco Baldelli the D-Rays pick over the more deserving Aubrey Huff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 5, 2003 Koskie and Pierzynski should make it for the Twins. I think taking three catchers is unecessary since it is the one position you can replace an injured player with the removed player. Koskie really has come on strong but Blalock has been there the whole way so he'll get the nod but Koskie has a shot as Sweeney's injury replacement since they wouldn't have to choose another first baseman automatically, if Frank Thomas is already on the roster or could play Delgado the whole game. Oh and I should have probably left one spot open on each team since the 32nd man is chosen by the fans. That's my only hope for Eric Byrnes to make the team as I assume he won't be chosen but we'll be on the list of four or five players to choose from. Koskie could end up on that list as well but if any Yankee or Red Sox player is on the list there will be no chance for anyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Just a reminder that the All Star selections will air tonight at 7 Eastern. I think on ESPN but I'm not sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2003 N.L. starters and some how Albert Pujols is the leading vote getter. I'm glad he is in and not Sosa but this is bizarre and I think some shennagins are involved here but whatever. Only Marcus Giles doesn't deserve to make the team IMO. C-Javy Lopez 1B-Todd Helton 2B-Marcus Giles 3B-Scott Rolen SS-Edgar Renteria OF-Barry Bonds, Albert Pujols, Gary Sheffield A.L. starters, no surprises. Matsui, Glaus, and maybe Posada don't deserve to make the team. C-Jorge Posada 1B-Carlos Delgado 2B-Alfonso Soriano 3B-Troy Glaus SS-Alex Rodriguez OF-Ichicro Suzuki, Manny Ramirez, Hideki Matsui DH-Edgar Martinez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2003 (edited) N.L. pitchers with one HUGE shocker...Mike Williams makes the team with an ERA over 6...WTF??? I know the Pirates need a rep but Brian Giles, Kenny Lofton, and Jason Kendall all deserve to make it more than Williams. I don't care how many saves you have you don't deserve to make the team with an ERA (6.29) that high EVER. I'm wondering if that was a player voting pick. Russ Ortiz John Smoltz Mark Prior Kerry Wood (replaces injured Shawn Chacon) Billy Wagner Kevin Brown Eric Gagne Armando Benitez Randy Wolf Mike Williams Jason Schmidt Woody Williams A.L. pitchers...some surprises here. First off SIX relievers including two set-up men and apparantly D-Rays closer Lance Carter is chosen over Aubrey Huff and the much hyped Rocco Baldelli. Also Mike Mussina gets snubbed. Brandon Donnelly Esteban Loaiza C.C. Sabathia Mike MacDougal Eddie Guardado Mark Mulder Barry Zito Keith Foulke Jamie Moyer Shigetoshi Hasegawa Lance Carter Roy Halladay Edited July 6, 2003 by Bored Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cartman Report post Posted July 6, 2003 I'm gonna make a desperate plea here to you fellow board members. I beg you ALL to give some semblence of justice to the shafted Jason Varitek by voting for him as the 32nd player for the AL team. Him being left off the team is a complete disgrace to the game, seriously. The guy should be STARTING this game with the overall play he has had this season, and throughout his career. Poor bastard never got picked for an All Star team and he certainly has deserved it...especially now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2003 (edited) A.L. reserves...honestly I'm shocked Ramon Hernandez made the team, happy, but shocked and there were a couple more deserving catchers. Nomar Garciaparra Garret Anderson Melvin Mora Dmitri Young Mike Sweeney (injured might not play) Ramon Hernandez Bret Boone Hank Blalock Vernon Wells N.L. reserves...hmmm not really anything too shocking here except Alex Gonzalez being snubbed. Richie Sexson Jose Vidro Mike Lowell Aaron Boone Rafael Furcal Andruw Jones Preston Wilson Jim Edmonds Luis Gonzalez Rondell White Paul Lo Duca Edited July 7, 2003 by Bored Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Dontrelle Willis and Gil Meche got FUCKED. I pray the 32nd man isn't just position players cus they both got fucked up the ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 Dontrelle Willis and Gil Meche got FUCKED. I pray the 32nd man isn't just position players cus they both got fucked up the ass. Whoops forgot about Meche...wow that is a bigger snub than Mussina. Sorry Willis hasn't pitched enough to be picked in my view. The 32nd player voting is just position players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 32nd player voting...sorry Varitek fan...VOTE BYRNES!!!!! I'd vote Patterson or Cabrera on the N.L. side...damn where is Alex Gonzalez? There is no direct link to the 32nd player ballot but just go to mlb.com and there is a pop-up link on the front page. A.L. Eric Byrnes Jason Varitek Frank Thomas Jason Giambi Bengie Molina N.L. Benito Santiago Luis Castillo Orlando Cabrera Geoff Jenkins Corey Patterson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 I'd save the votes for Giambi or Frank. One of them will replace Sweeney. I've heard good things about Byrnes. MacDougal might be the AL Closer. Who knows. He has 24 saves so far, on pace for the record for rookies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 I'd save the votes for Giambi or Frank. One of them will replace Sweeney. I've heard good things about Byrnes. MacDougal might be the AL Closer. Who knows. He has 24 saves so far, on pace for the record for rookies. Bite your tougne...I may boycott the game if Giambi makes it. Besides odds are increased this year that some starters may go the whole game so Delgado can play nine innings. Yes please vote for Byrnes although my early guess is Varitek will win since Red Sox fans got Damon in last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 Giambi has the triangle. Which until I saw Sportscenter (Sutcliffe the moron was mentioning it on the Friday game), I thought Rick was suggesting that Giambi was gay. Nah. Frank Thomas has a great shot of getting in the game since it's in Chicago. Who closes for the AL, Mac, Eddie or Foulke? Who closes for the NL, Smoltz or Gagne? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
