Bored 0 Report post Posted May 27, 2003 The first A.L. voting results are out (N.L. tommorrow). Unfortunently Giambi is leading at 1st but Delgado is close so I suggest everyone vote for Delgado as he has by far the best numbers of any A.L. first baseman. First Base Player Team Total Votes Giambi, Ja. Yankees 143,115 Delgado, C. Blue Jays 115,983 Palmeiro, R. Rangers 86,782 Sweeney, M. Royals 80,344 Olerud, J. Mariners 60,447 Second Base Player Team Total Votes Soriano, A. Yankees 293,558 Boone, B. Mariners 121,061 Kennedy, A. Angels 46,980 Walker, T. Red Sox 43,885 Febles, C. Royals 23,267 Third Base Player Team Total Votes Glaus, T. Angels 107,273 Chavez, E. Athletics 105,457 Hillenbrand, S. Red Sox 93,299 Ventura, R. Yankees 92,462 Blalock, H. Rangers 58,620 Shortstop Player Team Total Votes Rodriguez, A. Rangers 240,028 Garciaparra, N. Red Sox 113,555 Jeter, D. Yankees 83,171 Tejada, M. Athletics 44,952 Eckstein, D. Angels 43,493 Catcher Player Team Total Votes Posada, J. Yankees 218,283 Varitek, J. Red Sox 71,196 Alomar, S. White Sox 56,165 Pierzynski, A.J. Twins 51,942 Molina, B. Angels 49,727 Designated Hitter Player Team Total Votes Martinez, E. Mariners 144,458 Everett, C. Rangers 102,403 Johnson, N. Yankees 65,980 Thomas, F. White Sox 56,025 Fullmer, B. Angels 54,083 Outfield Player Team Total Votes Suzuki, I. Mariners 183,151 Ramirez, M. Red Sox 165,877 Williams, B. Yankees 144,377 Gonzalez, J. Rangers 117,200 Matsui, H. Yankees 109,408 Hunter, T. Twins 107,003 Anderson, G. Angels 98,184 Mondesi, R. Yankees 97,004 Salmon, T. Angels 69,557 Ordonez, M. White Sox 62,936 Cameron, M. Mariners 61,978 Erstad, D. Angels 61,970 Damon, J. Red Sox 56,367 Baldelli, R. Devil Rays 56,127 Beltran, C. Royals 45,648 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted May 28, 2003 I just hope the league prevents Matshui and Giambi from making the team. What's so bad about Giambi? Sure, he's having a bad year, but he's been outstanding the last four years, and he's easily the most recognizable first baseman in the league. I wouldn't vote for him, but his winning wouldn't offend me the way David Bell almost did. What about setup men. Hawkins, Hasagewa, and Shuey are all having great years and the latter two have ERA's under 1.00. None of the three have pitched 30 innings yet. Give them time, those ERAs will climb. I think teams should have two closers MAX, and the rest should be starters. There's no comparison, IMO, between a starter and a reliever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2003 I just hope the league prevents Matshui and Giambi from making the team. What's so bad about Giambi? Sure, he's having a bad year, but he's been outstanding the last four years, and he's easily the most recognizable first baseman in the league. I wouldn't vote for him, but his winning wouldn't offend me the way David Bell almost did. So because he's the most recognizable he deserves to start? Ooookaaaay. This is why fan voting should be abolished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted May 28, 2003 I'm not saying he deserves to start. I'm just saying his selection wouldn't greatly offend me. I've voted for Delgado on my ballots personally, but I have no problem with a guy who's put up .400+ OBPs the last four years. I simply don't trust two months of stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted May 28, 2003 Two weeks, I could see...one month, even. But TWO months pretty much tells me everything I need to know about what kind of year the guy's going to have. Jason Giambi simply does not deserve to be an all-star at all this year. I mean, that'd be similar to voting for Willie Mays during that HORRIBLE last year he had with the Mets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 28, 2003 Delgado will end up winning at 1st. Just a feeling the league won't let someone with Giambi's numbers win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted May 28, 2003 Why not? They let Ripkin in. Regarding Giambi, it seems he's been having eye problems this season, which would explain his lack of hitting. All this said, I do hope Delgado makes it as a starter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 28, 2003 Ripken is Ripken and he didn't deserve to win the last couple of seasons. If the Giambi's eyes are a problem. He should think about sitting. He isn't helping the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2003 Or maybe if Giambi is voted the starter he should be a man and decline the spot and not play but I doubt it...BECAUSE HE'S THE PUSSY WHO WENT AND SIGNED WITH IS FORMER TEAM'S DIRECT COMPETITION, A TEAM WHO BEAT HIS FORMER TEAM TWO YEARS IN A ROW IN THE PLAYOFFS AND MIGHT HAVE WON IF HIS FAT FUCK BROTHER KNEW HOW TO SLIDE!!!!!! Whoops sorry went off on a little tagent there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 28, 2003 Or maybe if Giambi is voted the starter he should be a man and decline the spot and not play but I doubt it...BECAUSE HE'S THE PUSSY WHO WENT AND SIGNED WITH IS FORMER TEAM'S DIRECT COMPETITION, A TEAM WHO BEAT HIS FORMER TEAM TWO YEARS IN A ROW IN THE PLAYOFFS AND MIGHT HAVE WON IF HIS FAT FUCK BROTHER KNEW HOW TO SLIDE!!!!!! Whoops sorry went off on a little tagent there. I think he might of been safe on that play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted May 28, 2003 Or maybe if Giambi is voted the starter he should be a man and decline the spot and not play but I doubt it...BECAUSE HE'S THE PUSSY WHO WENT AND SIGNED WITH IS FORMER TEAM'S DIRECT COMPETITION, A TEAM WHO BEAT HIS FORMER TEAM TWO YEARS IN A ROW IN THE PLAYOFFS AND MIGHT HAVE WON IF HIS FAT FUCK BROTHER KNEW HOW TO SLIDE!!!!!! Whoops sorry went off on a little tagent there. I think he might of been safe on that play. Posada just barely grazed his front leg before it touched home although I've always thought the umpire called him out because Posada tagged his back leg but in the end he was out and should have FUCKIN' SLID! And I'm pissed about the Twins tonight too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted May 28, 2003 Jesus, they won 100 games after he left. Let it go man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2003 This is a couple of days old but here is the first N.L. voting update: First Base Player Team Total Votes Bagwell, J. Astros 133,212 Thome, J. Phillies 86,098 Choi, H. Cubs 85,056 Helton, T. Rockies 76,977 Martinez, T. Cardinals 72,089 Second Base Player Team Total Votes Kent, J. Astros 109,987 Giles, M. Braves 86,285 Alomar, R. Mets 67,697 Vidro, J. Expos 66,793 Boone, A. Reds 63,138 Third Base Player Team Total Votes Rolen, S. Cardinals 213,826 Lowell, M. Marlins 65,667 Castilla, V. Braves 58,399 Bell, D. Phillies 52,054 Alfonzo, E. Giants 50,537 Shortstop Player Team Total Votes Renteria, E. Cardinals 133,738 Furcal, R. Braves 99,282 Gonzalez, A. Cubs 81,242 Aurilia, R. Giants 72,574 Rollins, J. Phillies 60,704 Catcher Player Team Total Votes Rodriguez, I. Marlins 138,009 Piazza, M. Mets 108,488 Santiago, B. Giants 57,633 Lieberthal, M. Phillies 53,450 Matheny, M. Cardinals 52,221 Outfield Player Team Total Votes Bonds, B. Giants 238,782 Sosa, S. Cubs 213,346 Guerrero, V. Expos 116,119 Edmonds, J. Cardinals 113,508 Pujols, A. Cardinals 110,199 Sheffield, G. Braves 103,533 Jones, A. Braves 102,898 Jones, C. Braves 75,828 Alou, M. Cubs 58,186 Cruz Jr., J. Giants 56,108 Griffey Jr., K. Reds 54,242 Kearns, A. Reds 49,094 Green, S. Dodgers 48,389 Patterson, C. Cubs 48,328 Gonzalez, L. Diamondbacks 46,816 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 30, 2003 1st Base is not a strong position. Todd Helton has inflated stats. However by the All Star-break Jim Thome will have deserving numbers and I think he'll still win at 1st. The outfield looks like a 5 man race for 1 spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted May 30, 2003 Helton's numbers are inflated, but he's still a great hitter. There is a tremendous drop off after the top 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 30, 2003 Helton's road numbers .268 2 hr's 13 bi's 16 runs and a .415 slugging % in 25 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2003 So, does Shea's vote totals move over to the NL now that he is a Diamondback? He'd be in second in the NL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted May 30, 2003 True Vern, but through 2000-2002, Helton hit .306/.402/.573 in 846 at bats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 30, 2003 Don't know. Although with the lead Rolen has it wouldn't matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted May 30, 2003 Hillenbrand's votes will be transfered to the N.L. but as already pointed it out it won't matter with Rolen already having a sizeable lead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2003 Okay its Monday so I'll update my All-Star picks again. This week with the first voting update out last week I'm going to put players on the team that I think will voted in as starters. Not all of them are leading at this point but its how I think things will shake out and of course it can change from week to week. They will be listed in CAPS. Players not listed last week will have an * next to their name. This week I've decided to go with eight outfielders in each league because there are just too many one team all-stars at that position. Also the request of the Vern Gagne I took a look at some set-up men and I did pick one for the A.L. team but its not someone he had suggested but this pitcher's numbers jumped out at me (0.32 ERA, 28 innings pitched, 31 strike outs, 15 hits allowed). AMERICAN LEAGUE C: JORGE POSADA, New York; A.J. Pierzynski, Minnesota 1B: CARLOS DELGADO, Toronto; Mike Sweeney, Kansas City 2B: ALFONSO SORIANO, New York; Bret Boone, Seattle 3B: TROY GLAUS, Anaheim; Hank Blalock, Texas; Robin Ventura*, New York SS: ALEX RODRIGUEZ, Texas; Nomar Garciaparra, Boston OF: ICHIRO SUZUKI*, Seattle; MANNY RAMIREZ*, Boston; HIDEKI MATSUI*, New York; Melvin Mora, Baltimore; Carl Everett, Texas; Aubrey Huff, Tampa Bay; Juan Gonzalez, Texas; Vernon Wells, Toronto DH: EDGAR MARTINEZ, Seattle Pitchers: Esteban Loaiza, Chicago; Mark Mulder, Oakland; Mike Mussina, New York; Barry Zito, Oakland; Gil Meche, Seattle; David Wells*, New York; C.C. Sabathia, Cleveland; Nate Cornejo, Detroit; Eddie Guardado, Minnesota; Keith Foulke, Oakland; Ugueth Urbina, Texas; Brendan Donnelly*, Anaheim NATIONAL LEAGUE C: IVAN RODRIGUEZ*, Florida; Benito Santiago, San Francisco 1B: JEFF BAGWELL*, Houston; Todd Helton, Colorado; Richie Sexson, Milwaukee 2B: JEFF KENT, Houston; Marcus Giles, Atlanta; Jose Vidro, Montreal 3B: SCOTT ROLEN, St. Louis; Mike Lowell, Florida SS: EDGAR RENTERIA, St. Louis; Alex Gonzalez, Florida OF: BARRY BONDS, San Francisco; SAMMY SOSA*, Chicago; GARY SHEFFIELD, Atlanta; Albert Pujols, St. Louis; Austin Kearns, Cincinnati; Luis Gonzalez, Arizona; Kenny Lofton*, Pittsburgh; Rondell White, San Diego Pitchers: Kevin Brown, Los Angeles; Woody Williams, St. Louis; Matt Morris, St. Louis; Mark Prior, Chicago; Kevin Millwood, Philadelphia; Jason Schmidt, San Francisco; Kirk Rueter*, San Francisco; John Smoltz, Atlanta; Eric Gagne, Los Angeles; Billy Wagner, Houston; Tim Worrell, San Francisco; Armando Benitez, New York Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 2, 2003 Why do you have Matsui on the team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2003 Why do you have Matsui on the team? Read what I said. I listed players that I believe will be voted as starters. Believe me I would NEVER put Matsui on the team but once the Japanese voting kicks in (I don't believe they were counted in the first voting update last week) he'll make the top 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 2, 2003 Sorry didn't see that part. I hate all-star voting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 2, 2003 I didn't think the next A.L. update was until tommorrow but its out today and Matsui actually dropped from 5th to 6th. Berine Williams is still 3rd and actually if he's still hurt by then it won't be the worst thing for him to be voted the starter because someone deserving would get his spot and no one would be snubbed. Giambi's lead on Delgado has shrunk some this week. First Base Player Team Total Votes Giambi, Ja. Yankees 182,654 Delgado, C. Blue Jays 163,217 Palmeiro, R. Rangers 118,574 Sweeney, M. Royals 100,430 Olerud, J. Mariners 82,777 Second Base Player Team Total Votes Soriano, A. Yankees 378,398 Boone, B. Mariners 170,182 Kennedy, A. Angels 61,484 Walker, T. Red Sox 58,474 Ellis, M. Athletics 30,104 Third Base Player Team Total Votes Glaus, T. Angels 145,729 Chavez, E. Athletics 136,622 Ventura, R. Yankees 118,539 Blalock, H. Rangers 83,801 Cirillo, J. Mariners 50,463 Shortstop Player Team Total Votes Rodriguez, A. Rangers 304,423 Garciaparra, N. Red Sox 157,499 Jeter, D. Yankees 111,229 Tejada, M. Athletics 60,154 Eckstein, D. Angels 56,764 Catcher Player Team Total Votes Posada, J. Yankees 283,437 Varitek, J. Red Sox 92,991 Alomar, S. White Sox 80,672 Pierzynski, A.J. Twins 69,565 Wilson, D. Mariners 67,261 Designated Hitter Player Team Total Votes Martinez, E. Mariners 201,009 Everett, C. Rangers 134,669 Johnson, N. Yankees 80,238 Thomas, F. White Sox 70,682 Fullmer, B. Angels 68,959 Outfield Player Team Total Votes Suzuki, I. Mariners 254,476 Ramirez, M. Red Sox 216,669 Williams, B. Yankees 177,301 Gonzalez, J. Rangers 153,106 Hunter, T. Twins 148,620 Matsui, H. Yankees 141,291 Anderson, G. Angels 128,680 Mondesi, R. Yankees 123,616 Salmon, T. Angels 90,460 Cameron, M. Mariners 85,710 Erstad, D. Angels 80,046 Ordonez, M. White Sox 78,759 Baldelli, R. Devil Rays 76,615 Damon, J. Red Sox 73,141 Beltran, C. Royals 58,592 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 3, 2003 I think Giambi might have a good chance at winning. The Japanese voters tend to vote for teammates of Japanese players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted June 3, 2003 The reason that happened in 2001 was that Mariners games were broadcast in Japan, so that's all the Japanese voters saw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 3, 2003 Remember Mike Cameron almost was voted in last year. Japanese voters follow the M's and they see Cameron plays for the Mariners so their more inclined to vote for him. They at least have an excuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2003 Here's N.L. voting update: First Base Player Team Total Votes Bagwell, J. Astros 169,101 Thome, J. Phillies 114,989 Helton, T. Rockies 114,657 Choi, H. Cubs 101,182 Martinez, T. Cardinals 91,641 Second Base Player Team Total Votes Kent, J. Astros 143,702 Giles, M. Braves 114,087 Alomar, R. Mets 98,725 Boone, A. Reds 92,276 Vidro, J. Expos 84,820 Third Base Player Team Total Votes Rolen, S. Cardinals 275,569 Hillenbrand, S. Diamondbacks 115,207 Lowell, M. Marlins 88,793 Castilla, V. Braves 81,783 Alfonzo, E. Giants 74,945 Shortstop Player Team Total Votes Renteria, E. Cardinals 176,779 Furcal, R. Braves 135,300 Aurilia, R. Giants 105,442 Gonzalez, A. Cubs 99,500 Rollins, J. Phillies 77,427 Catcher Player Team Total Votes Rodriguez, I. Marlins 177,336 Piazza, M. Mets 137,752 Santiago, B. Giants 94,959 Lopez, J. Braves 74,448 Lieberthal, M. Phillies 66,876 Outfield Player Team Total Votes Bonds, B. Giants 321,605 Sosa, S. Cubs 271,115 Guerrero, V. Expos 151,284 Pujols, A. Cardinals 146,604 Sheffield, G. Braves 143,283 Edmonds, J. Cardinals 139,757 Jones, A. Braves 133,979 Jones, C. Braves 98,821 Cruz Jr., J. Giants 81,729 Griffey Jr., K. Reds 79,658 Alou, M. Cubs 72,535 Kearns, A. Reds 68,792 Green, S. Dodgers 64,677 Patterson, C. Cubs 61,305 Gonzalez, L. Diamondbacks 58,820 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 3, 2003 Close race for that 3rd OF spot. I think Guerrero will hang on and win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
