Guest AM The Kid Report post Posted May 24, 2003 I never do this stuff so bear with me if this post sucks. I was thinking last night and I came to the conclusion that there is one way that the WWF can make new stars and not continue on the downhill slide for too long. Many of WWF's most popular superstars ever started out as jobbers or tag team specialists. They weren't old estabilshed stars, they weren't already in their mid-thirties by the time they penned their contracts. All they did was grow as proformers throughout their WWF careers, slowly build up a fan base and try to get Mcmahon to hand them the ball. Look at some of the biggest stars ever: Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Shawn Micheals, Hulk Hogan, Triple H, The Rock and many others...they were not stars over night. Bret Hart toiled through the tag team ranks with Jim Neidhart until getting a solo push and winning the Intercontinental title. Shawn Micheals followed that same pattern with Marty Jennety and then he threw him through the window and slowly grew a fanbase. Steve Austin had great success in WCW but when he came into the WWF he was not billed as a star, but yet he was basically a jobber as The Ringmaster. After changing his persona and getting more tv time, Austin became incredibly popular with the fans. But they didnt hand him the world title, he had to crawl for it going through fueds for the Intercontinental title first with The Rock and Owen Hart. He was then givin the big title shot at Wrestlemania and became the most popular wrestler ever to grace the ring. Hulk Hogan was around during the territories and when he first came into the WWF he was not billed as a star, he was a heel with Freddie Blassie. He grew more popular away from the WWF ,granted whenhe came back he was handed the world title on a silver platter but he had to prove himself worthy growing his name in other territories. The Rock came in and was shoved down our throats as the greatest rookie ever to come into the WWF, that failed, but every fan went against him and a heel persona was formed. He rode that through many great Intercontinental fueds until he got the world title. Triple H was THE jobber, jobber to the stars maybe but if you think back to when he came in...could you ever imagine him being where he is today? Sure, he had backstage help in getting here but he did have to toil in the jobber ranks until he made it. What the WWF needs to do is to find talented wrestlers from the developments or just indies and mold them into stars. Or take their already developed roster of guys like Matt Hardy who pretty much took the Bret Hart route and hand them the ball. Vince Mcmahon doesnt just have to look at his past mistakes but also the little things that make a star, and then he can have his kingdom back to where it belongs. He has already taken the hint by forming a great tag team with Team Angle, but lets build the tag team division to where it was in the past and right there the WWF can have a new star making formula. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted May 24, 2003 You are right, and you are wrong... they do need to push new people, but new doesn't neccessarily mean young. Benoit would be "new", but not "young", since he has never had a *proper* stay at the top of the card. Eddie Guerrero, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AM The Kid Report post Posted May 24, 2003 Yes, those stars have already been built and they deserve pushes. But the WWF needs to think about the future, they need to have the new guys in the wings for when the current main eventers torches totally burn out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted May 24, 2003 Yeah... Undertaker etc won't be around in 5 years, but I think with the right handling, most main eventers can be "made" from jobbers in a couple of years. 1996 - Austin, Rock, HHH arrive. Rock and Austin are main eventing in 1998, and HHH by 1999. It's not to say they don't need to look to the future now - it is obvious that they do, but there are plenty of wrestlers in the mid-card to replace HHH, Nash and friends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted May 25, 2003 Matt Hardy and John Cena have been getting pretty gradual pushes (in terms of today's WWE standard). Sure Cena faced Brock at Backlash, but Austin was in the World Title match in Feb of 97 (he was a rising tweener). Matt Hardy's push is nice, even though he isn't a cruiserweight. Hardy and Cena should (from now on) be pushed gradually up the mid-card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Luke Cage Report post Posted May 25, 2003 The WWF is not interested in "improving". They exist to sell product. The wrestling and "entertainment" is incidental. If Vince could sell as much crud to people using Water polo as the delivery vehicle, he would. It's to the eternal folly of real wrestling fans that he was born into a wrestling family. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EsotericMaster Report post Posted May 26, 2003 I like the push Cena and Hardy are getting right now. As long as the Cena/Taker program doesn't ruin Cena, he should be a top level guy by this time, next year. Hardy might take a little longer, just for the fact they stuck Crash with him. I don't think crash is good for anyone's career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted May 26, 2003 Hardy might take a little longer, just for the fact they stuck Crash with him. I don't think crash is good for anyone's career. Yeah. Crash has been so boring for a long time and his wrestling isn't much either. I would think that WWE would have released him a long time ago, but yet they decided to drag down Matt Hardy's career with Crash's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest edotherocket Report post Posted May 26, 2003 Hardy will run the danger of becoming stale unless he is given some significant program to work with soon that gets decent mic time, a PPV match and is actually talked about and remembered afterwards by Cole and Tazz. He's got a great character but he needs a rival to play off for his character to properly develop. Lumping Crash could conceivably add another dimension to his character if they actually have some sort of plan. I'm worried that its more of a case of giving Crash 'something to do' rather than furthering Matt's cause. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gansobomber Report post Posted May 26, 2003 I think what the WWE has to do is push workers like in Japan. Let them establish themselves (esp. rookies, starting from the bottom) and then give them a good program. But this is never gonna happen seeing the WWE's short sighted booking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BadBodyOdor Report post Posted May 26, 2003 I was thinking last night and I came to the conclusion that there is one way that the WWF can make new stars and not continue on the downhill slide for too long. Many of WWF's most popular superstars ever started out as jobbers or tag team specialists. They weren't old estabilshed stars, they weren't already in their mid-thirties by the time they penned their contracts. All they did was grow as proformers throughout their WWF careers, slowly build up a fan base and try to get Mcmahon to hand them the ball. Look at some of the biggest stars ever: Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Shawn Micheals, Hulk Hogan, Triple H, The Rock and many others...they were not stars over night. Bret Hart toiled through the tag team ranks with Jim Neidhart until getting a solo push and winning the Intercontinental title. Shawn Micheals followed that same pattern with Marty Jennety and then he threw him through the window and slowly grew a fanbase. Steve Austin had great success in WCW but when he came into the WWF he was not billed as a star, but yet he was basically a jobber as The Ringmaster. After changing his persona and getting more tv time, Austin became incredibly popular with the fans. But they didnt hand him the world title, he had to crawl for it going through fueds for the Intercontinental title first with The Rock and Owen Hart. He was then givin the big title shot at Wrestlemania and became the most popular wrestler ever to grace the ring. Hulk Hogan was around during the territories and when he first came into the WWF he was not billed as a star, he was a heel with Freddie Blassie. He grew more popular away from the WWF ,granted whenhe came back he was handed the world title on a silver platter but he had to prove himself worthy growing his name in other territories. The Rock came in and was shoved down our throats as the greatest rookie ever to come into the WWF, that failed, but every fan went against him and a heel persona was formed. He rode that through many great Intercontinental fueds until he got the world title. Triple H was THE jobber, jobber to the stars maybe but if you think back to when he came in...could you ever imagine him being where he is today? Sure, he had backstage help in getting here but he did have to toil in the jobber ranks until he made it. What the WWF needs to do is to find talented wrestlers from the developments or just indies and mold them into stars. Or take their already developed roster of guys like Matt Hardy who pretty much took the Bret Hart route and hand them the ball. Vince Mcmahon doesnt just have to look at his past mistakes but also the little things that make a star, and then he can have his kingdom back to where it belongs. He has already taken the hint by forming a great tag team with Team Angle, but lets build the tag team division to where it was in the past and right there the WWF can have a new star making formula. I never do this stuff so bear with me if this post sucks. You right it sucked. Same load of doo doo every other "writer" on the wrestling sites says. stop wasting your time here on a message board and send it to WWE if you want too try to change things. You can always go to AOL chat and cry with the rest of the dorks in there, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
