Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 25, 2003 The race is going on right know. One thing that sticks out is the lack of American drivers who are competive. The top 5 is being dominated by foreign drivers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 25, 2003 Looks like you and I were the only ones to watch this race... The problem with IRL and all it's bastard children... Aside from the Andretti family...It doesn't have characters and personality for the American Public to follow. This is why Nascar is the top motorsports in America...They know how to promote and sell the drivers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 25, 2003 Gotta watch the Indy 500. Especially since the driver I picked one. I really think more U.S. drivers need to be more competive. You use to have AJ Foyt, Mario Andretti, Al Unser, Bobby Unser, Johnny Rutherford, Rick Mears and a bunch of good American drivers. Helio Castroneves has a great personality, but I don't think the U.S. audience can get fully behind him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 25, 2003 Another thing people of Today can't dig about IRL or any form of it... Identifitation of cars...It's impossible and annoying that you can hardly tell whose car that it unless it's ZOOMED right on it...and the fact there are 3 cars with the same sponser on it with same color scheme and shit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted May 25, 2003 I watched it. There really isnt much to comment about since I don't recall one important pass. It was quite the snoozer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 25, 2003 Another thing people have against Cart/IRL...Not enough passing... Nascar just really kicks IRL/CART/F1 ass in every single aspect... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted May 26, 2003 I watched it, I just didn't think anyone would create a thread for it. I was rooting for Hikagi to win, it'd be neat to see a rookie win, but after the final pits and that last caution, he didn't have a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WukenBloodstar Report post Posted May 26, 2003 Another thing people have against Cart/IRL...Not enough passing... Nascar just really kicks IRL/CART/F1 ass in every single aspect... I beg to differ..how is NASCAR in anyway better than Cart or F1(IRL doesn't count since it's NASCAR Jr.) You take one driver from NASCAR and drop him in any F1 car and watch him have a heart attack. I frankly find it offensive that so many retards watch that crap..why? You have better(and more entertaining) motorsports like Rally Racing, F1, Trans-Am Series, FIA GT, 24 Hours Of Le Mans, DTM, JGTC, TOCA and many more road racing series. Ugh...on the other hand, the indy 500 hasn't been entertaining since the close finish years back when Al Unser Jr won. Circle Track Racing is IMO loved and worship'd by the millions of rednecks here in the good old USA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted May 26, 2003 OK, now I have watched F1 for about the last 5 years and enjoy it. But to say it is more entertaining than NASCAR is laughable. How many F1 races have important on track passes after the third turn of the first lap. After that it is a 2 hour parade that only gets affected by pit stops. Are they better drivers than stock car drivers? Probably. But who cares? I would rather see entertaining driving on ovals, than precision parades around road courses. Also throw in the fact that there are about four drivers on a given weekend who can win an F1 race, and usually won from the pole unless the driver has problems. While there are a legitimate 20 contending drivers going into each Winston Cup weekend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted May 26, 2003 I watched the Trans-Am race on Speed Channel at the same time as the Indianapolis 500 after 2 PM. A Jaguar won, can't remember the driver. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WukenBloodstar Report post Posted May 26, 2003 OK, now I have watched F1 for about the last 5 years and enjoy it. But to say it is more entertaining than NASCAR is laughable. How many F1 races have important on track passes after the third turn of the first lap. After that it is a 2 hour parade that only gets affected by pit stops. Are they better drivers than stock car drivers? Probably. But who cares? I would rather see entertaining driving on ovals, than precision parades around road courses. Also throw in the fact that there are about four drivers on a given weekend who can win an F1 race, and usually won from the pole unless the driver has problems. While there are a legitimate 20 contending drivers going into each Winston Cup weekend. Please, PLEASE list more reasons why you think NASCAR is more entertaining then F1 or any of the other racing bodies I listed, compare the JGTC to NASCAR. JGTC=Japanese Grand Touring Cup or the german DTM series. NASCAR is nothing more than late 60's tech with the same top 10 drivers all "Racing" to win, I refuse to sit and watch the same boring shit for 2 or 3 hours. If you look at it, F1 History to NASCAR History, F1 Has NASCAR beat in every single way..you name one NASCAR driver who is better than F1 Legend Ayrton Senna. NASCAR fans are the most disrespectful bunch of hicks I've ever met, it makes me sick to see mass groups of people bitching and moaning about "These drivers are paid for OUR entertainment, and if that means to DIE for our entertainment" NASCAR is highly overrated and isn't that enjoyable, what the hell is so cool about watching a 3 hour racing that goes only left? PLEASE explain this to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted May 26, 2003 Rally > NASCAR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 26, 2003 He said none of the drivers are better. Even if he did that would be his opinion. He likes NASCAR better. It's not that big a deal. Peoploe like different kinds of racing. Why the need to insult people for liking something different than you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted May 26, 2003 Rally > NASCAR (echoes this) You think a NASCAR auto is thrashed after a race, man, that's nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WukenBloodstar Report post Posted May 26, 2003 I wasn't calling him a redneck(That isn't the way I wanted my comments to come off, I was calling a good deal of NASCAR fans rednecks and people without a lack of respect, sure I'll bash NASCAR for being left turn only, but the drivers I will respect for risking life for "entertainment") I'm simply asking him to list reasons why in his view NASCAR is more entertaining than F1, JGTC, DTM or Rally Racing) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted May 26, 2003 I guess you were talking to me... Early in the thread I was stating how IRL and it's subsequent off-springs haven't been able to Match with Nascar in the last decade. That is completely undebatable. I have driven Nascar race cars before and a IRL car before and I have raced Oval Tracks and Road Courses... I believe Stock Cars are more demanding around both types of tracks... Road Courses aren't as differcult as Oval Tracks...Going at 200 MPH was more demanding then Making Hair Pin Turns at 60... Of Course, there might be a SLIGHT bias towards Nascar here for me...Since I grew up going across America going to track after track. Eariler you said that NASCAR drivers are inferior... I think there is an competive equal balance between the two... NASCAR has a good roster of diverse drivers whom can run all the different cars available... Starting with the Top Gun of moment...Tony Stewart. Put Shumacher in a Stock Car and he won't know what to do because that isn't his environment...Same thing with Junior being put in a F1 car. One of the Main reasons NASCAR is the superior motor sports right now is because they have been able to promote themselfs into the top sport in America after Football. Nascar is certaintly more dramatic, While in F1 or any other Non-Nascar affliated leauge...they tend to be one sided with the challengers...It usually is restricted to about 6 drivers that have a shot at winning...While in NASCAR WCS...43 drivers start and about 75% of the field will have a great shot a winning. Nascar certaintly has the two things that appeal the most in the race aspects...Passing and Accidents. F1 tends to be Follow the Leader and hope you catch a break in the pits... Both Styles...Stock Car and F1/IRL/CART/SPRINT whatever...are very equally balanced in their competiveness. I just perfer NASCAR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WukenBloodstar Report post Posted May 26, 2003 Thank ya, I see your point, but I guess I'm biased for Road Racing more than Circle Track. I stopped watching NASCAR at about '94. Just never was any fun, but when you're home on Saturday with nothing else to watch, you watch what you can. I'm just not a fan of NASCAR due to the way the cars are set up(NO tech.."fair" playing field. Bah, that's BS because in any motorsport, the teams with the most money have the best engines/etc etc.) I'm still upset at how many different NASCAR programs you can find when they're running a race, another race on ESPN, three programs about it on the FSN channels and a program on Speed Channel. Speed Channel use to be a good way to find lots of good racing, but it's mostly NASCAR, why didn't they just make a NASCAR Network instead of taking over The Speed Channel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted May 26, 2003 It bugs the living shit out of me that the ONLY racing you can catch now is really NASCAR. Even Speed Channel, which used to highlight different racing series, is now 80% of that "circle, circle, circle" crap. It's a life-sucking peice of junk, honestly. People in the US might find something they like better if there was more exposure to different kinds of racing. For that matter, Rally, American Le Mans, -and- the Moto GP series are all more exciting, but with little to no time on TV now thanks to NASCAR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted May 26, 2003 Rally Racing is the most skilled racing there is to date, and i think many would agree. NASCAR is entertaining, because with so many cautions from bumping into each other, its so close, thus makes it entertaining, and especially when Dodge, Pontiac, Ford, Chevy, are on the same set up, and only a few HP differnce, its balanced. While F1 and many open races, and each car is different, and engine is different, it relies on the skill of the driver. Back in 94, Schumacher had skill in a Benneton, and was up against McLaren, and Williams, which had powerful engines. Now Felipe Alonso in a Renault is competing with BMW with 950+ HP, Ferrari and McLaren... Plus besides, if an American isn't in the sport...why bother? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WukenBloodstar Report post Posted May 26, 2003 Rally Racing is the most skilled racing there is to date, and i think many would agree. NASCAR is entertaining, because with so many cautions from bumping into each other, its so close, thus makes it entertaining, and especially when Dodge, Pontiac, Ford, Chevy, are on the same set up, and only a few HP differnce, its balanced. While F1 and many open races, and each car is different, and engine is different, it relies on the skill of the driver. Back in 94, Schumacher had skill in a Benneton, and was up against McLaren, and Williams, which had powerful engines. Now Felipe Alonso in a Renault is competing with BMW with 950+ HP, Ferrari and McLaren... Plus besides, if an American isn't in the sport...why bother? Have you ever seen an American Driver in F1? Besides two I can think of, the rest completely suck, bad..why? Because it when it comes to road racing(F1) The American drivers just aren't that good compared to other drivers, but when an F1 driver comes over to the US shores to race(CART) It is completely different, IMO, CART/IRL/NASCAR just isn't as competive as F1 and other racing bodies. I Watch F1 and other series because they are entertaining, not because you spend hundreds of millions to build engines more powerful than your rival, what is so competive about that? I thought the Jaugar team would do fairly well..but they don't seem to be too good this seaon. Ferrari is still the best team in terms of talent, cars and etc. They've done F1 longer than nearly every other team racing this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Psycho Diablo Report post Posted May 26, 2003 I thought the Jaugar team would do fairly well..but they don't seem to be too good this seaon. Ferrari is still the best team in terms of talent, cars and etc. They've done F1 longer than nearly every other team racing this season. They've been the best for how long now? They've had more experience than almost anyone else, and even their production cars (F50, anyone?) are just F1 cars with road bodies on 'em. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WukenBloodstar Report post Posted May 26, 2003 True, but Jaugar also has a good history of being a winning team in F1..I liked them better in racing before Ford bought them(The last efforts of Jaugar since the Ford Takeover years back has been completely awful) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted May 26, 2003 The only driver that I know was Americans were Andretti's, and i think Bruce McLaren (dunno british or american). I'm surprised that my team (Bennetton/Renault) is doing good this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WukenBloodstar Report post Posted May 26, 2003 The last effort from the Andretti family (Not Mario) was awful, it was laughable bad. It is surpsing about the Bennetton/Renault team, I was really hoping for toyota to do okay..but that didn't go too well. I heard a rumor tho' that Honda was going to come back to F1, if they do, happy times Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
