Woman sues for the "right" to take her license

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...8/APA/305280576

 

Experts in Islamic law are being called to testify in the lawsuit of a Muslim woman fighting a state order to take off her veil for her driver's license photo.

 

Sultanna Freeman, 35, says Florida's insistence on photographing her face violates her religious rights.

 

"I don't unveil ... because it would be disobeying my Lord," Freeman testified Tuesday at the start of her non-jury trial.

 

Assistant Attorney General Jason Vail argued that having an easily identifiable photo on a driver's license is a matter of public safety.

 

"It's the primary method of identification in Florida and the nation," Vail said. "I don't think there can be any doubt there is a public safety interest."

 

Freeman's attorneys argue that state officials didn't care that she wore a veil in her Florida driver's license photo until after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, an allegation the state denies.

 

"This is about religious liberty. It's about whether this country is going to have religious diversity," said Howard Marks, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

 

 

Hey.. just a few questions for you.

 

#1: How the fuck do you drive in a black veil?

 

#2: if you said you don't drive in a veil, then why should you get your license photo in one?

 

#3: If you're already wearing a huge veil, then why are you driving? You wouldn't drive if you were really that devoted. You'd have a husband and you'd be at home.

 

#4: If you are going to drive unveiled, then how will people be able to ID you if your license is of you in a veil?

 

#5: If you claim you are sincere to Islam, then why do you insult your god by driving? If he told you to put on that veil, what the fuck makes you think he wants you to drive a car?

 

#6: Are you recieving funding from Saudi-based or American-based Islamic groups for pressing this lawsuit?

 

#7: If you're able to get your photo in a veil, then I should be able to get my license photo taken in an Adam Sandler mask, I can say it's my damn religion, and if you can do it, so can I. Right?

 

Ugh.. what a stupid bitch (no offense)

[Guest Blacklight Angel]

Driving is a privilege, not a right.

 

The agency allowing you to drive has rules which must be followed in order for you to use this privilege.

 

If you are unwilling to play by these rules, then said privilege (I can't emphasize this enough) will be taken from you.

 

And if your religion prevents such a thing, then, honey, maybe you backed the wrong horse in the Eternity Derby.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Freeman's attorneys argue that state officials didn't care that she wore a veil in her Florida driver's license photo until after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, an allegation the state denies.

I think that right there could be the key point. If it's true then she stands a good chance of winning.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Another big-ups to organized religion. "I would be disobeying my lord" UGH.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Driving is a privilege, not a right.

I agree with you so much. Please go tell this to certain groups in California, as they want to give our ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS their own driver licenses!

 

 

UGH

[Guest Danny Dubya v 2.0]

Another big-ups to organized religion.  "I would be disobeying my lord" UGH.

...

 

Could we work out a deal with this 'Lord' individual then and end the problem with a compromise?

 

Oh, you say he isn't in the country right now? No excuse then, bitch. 'Lord' obviously isn't abusing you if he's not around, so you're only abusing the state.

[Guest hardyz1]

Freeman's attorneys argue that state officials didn't care that she wore a veil in her Florida driver's license photo until after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, an allegation the state denies.

I think that right there could be the key point. If it's true then she stands a good chance of winning.

No, I don't think she does. She should lose, and the idiots who didn't care about it before September 11 (if that's even true) should be fired.

[Guest Vyce]

Freeman's attorneys argue that state officials didn't care that she wore a veil in her Florida driver's license photo until after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, an allegation the state denies.

I think that right there could be the key point. If it's true then she stands a good chance of winning.

Oh boo fucking hoo.

 

It's an insult for her lawyer to be using this defense.

 

This is a frivolous lawsuit that only takes away from the actually SERIOUS lawsuits, where Arab-Americans have REAL cases of discrimination against them.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

Another big-ups to organized religion. "I would be disobeying my lord" UGH.

Yes, because this moron represents every facet of all organized religion...

 

For someone so multicultural and diversity-conscious, you do a great job stereotyping religious people.

[Guest Ripper]

Religion is just the "cool" thing to make fun of now. When an extremist in any other part of society does something they are seen as dumbass extremist. If some relegious extremist does it, it is because religion is stupid and everyone involved are dumb-asses. Whatever.

 

I'm sure that there are majority of American Muslims that are saying "Damn that bitch is stupid."

[Guest My Eyebrow is on fire]

#3: If you're already wearing a huge veil, then why are you driving? You wouldn't drive if you were really that devoted. You'd have a husband and you'd be at home.

 

There are many schools of thought in Islam just as there are hundreds of disagreeing pastors in Christianity. Many Islamic scholars permit women to drive and shop with the stipulation that they must be in full veil. Not to defend her, but the way you're yelling about what muslims should believe reeks of a Jack Daniels redneck dinner table rant. You don't understand Islamic law well enough to dictate it to this woman.

 

#5: If you claim you are sincere to Islam, then why do you insult your god by driving? If he told you to put on that veil, what the fuck makes you think he wants you to drive a car?

 

I'm not getting your logic at all. Her particular sheek (or whatever they have) permits muslim women to drive and be seen in public as long as they wear veils. He does this based on his interpretation of their particular scriptures. What an assinine thing to say. There are hindus right now saying "If you claim to be sincere to christianity why do you insult your god by eating meat? If you fast during lent what the fuck makes you think he wants you to eat it the rest of the year?" They don't know your religion and are making assumptive anologies. If you're going to be rude and jingoistic, do it 100% and stop mincing words. Just say "She's a dumb bitch because I know everything and she doesn't believe what I do."

 

#7: If you're able to get your photo in a veil, then I should be able to get my license photo taken in an Adam Sandler mask, I can say it's my damn religion, and if you can do it, so can I. Right?

 

You're right here. You, just like she, would be taking advantage of the system and trying to "get over" in that case. Driving is a privelage. However, she's not stupid for trying to pass it through the system, she's quite smart for manipulating to get over.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

I agree with everything said. Driving is indeed a privelage and not a right. It's in the interest of public safety, and its not discrimination, EVERYONE must have standard ID with their face in full view.

[Guest DrTom]

QUOTE (Rob E Dangerously @ May 28 2003, 05:43 AM)

Freeman's attorneys argue that state officials didn't care that she wore a veil in her Florida driver's license photo until after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, an allegation the state denies. 

 

I think that right there could be the key point. If it's true then she stands a good chance of winning.

No she doesn't. Her chances of winning should be the same either way. If anything, her chances of winning should be less if that's the case, since the state and the nation have more of a vested interest in proper photo ID of everyone now. It's a public safety -- and a potential national security -- issue, and if she doesn't want to unveil for the photo, then she can give up the privilege of driving. Or just pray for another fifteen useless minutes.

[Guest Some Guy]

Think of how easy it would be to get fake ids. One over-age woman with a veil could just sell her lincence and then go get a new one over and over. Maybe if it was pointed out that this could lead to an increase in under-age drinking the left would be against it.

 

Isn't it illegal to drive with shit covering your face anyway. if you can't wear headphones while driving I doubt you can wear a mask, which is essentially what a veil is.

[Guest WhenDanSaysJump]

I'm sure God has bigger things to occupy His time with than how visible your face is while you drive.

[Guest Choken One]

Ummm...I might be wrong but Doesn't a Veil still leave your eyes open?

 

I'm just waiting for some Deaf Cock Smoker to sue the court for the DMV not editing out his Hearing Aid...

 

(Although I should just say that Aids aren't visable in pictures anyhow...which renders my statement there moot)

 

*I have the complete and utter rights to be Negative against Deaf People*

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

It turns out that you don't need a burkah when you get a mugshot for beating your foster kids

 

 

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MAY 28--Turns out the Florida woman who is suing for the right to wear a Muslim headdress in a driver's license photograph has previously been subjected to an, um, unveiled government portrait. Following her 1997 conversion to Islam, Sultaana Freeman (formerly Sandra Keller) was arrested in Decatur, Illinois for battering a foster child. Freeman, 35, pleaded guilty in 1999 to felony aggravated battery and was sentenced to 18 months probation. As a result of the conviction, state officials removed two foster children from Freeman's care.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

If the government already has a fucking mugshot of her, why don't they just use that and be done with it? Is there something more "secure" about a DMV photo than a police photo?

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

For one thing, it's probably prefered that your driver's license photo isn't your mugshot. If you could just send in a photo, then wouldn't anything be acceptable? wouldn't that obliterate the practice of taking separate photos just for licenses?

[Guest Slapnuts00]

OH, she's a covert too. I think this case is closed...

[Guest Anglesault]

The DA should walk up to her with the Koran

 

"Uhm, excuse me Ms. Stupidbitch, but no where in this holy book does it justify beating children (Or at least I hope not) How loyal to your God can you be?"

 

Then throw out the case, order he to take the new photo RIGHT THERE and hand her hefty ass fine for wasting eveyone's time.

[Guest Bannable Offense]

I feel better now. Now that I realize she's a religious convert and shortly after her conversion battered a foster child, I can now feel alright for having absolutely no sympathy for this woman.

[Guest Choken One]

U know I was supporting this chick until hearing that...

[Guest NoCalMike]

well that certainly threw a wrench into things......

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I was listening to Sean Hannity on ABC News & Talk last night. He was going on about this woman. Then he made a fatal slip-up, he mentioned: "Being able to drive is pretty much a right for everybody, but..."

 

NO.

 

READ IT AGAIN.

 

"Driving is a privilege, not a right. "

 

I wish people would get this in their heads!

[Guest Vyce]

U know I was supporting this chick until hearing that...

I was always against her, and now I feel righteous vindication!

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

Yeah! Like that!

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

For one thing, it's probably prefered that your driver's license photo isn't your mugshot. If you could just send in a photo, then wouldn't anything be acceptable? wouldn't that obliterate the practice of taking separate photos just for licenses?

Yeah, but that's because it would seem biased against the person if they have their mug shot as a licence photo. But if they don't want to get a new one, it's a perfectly good, clear photo, and they are the ones who are disadvantaging themselves. And it's an official police/government photo, not like they are using a polaroid from their trip to Seaworld or something.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

i was never supporting her but I was hoping that it would be a good case. It's not really about wearing your hood in photos it's about what's more important...religious freedom or national security.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

But I don't see how this is a religious freedom issue. If the woman is so intent on keeping her burkah (sp) on that a proper ID photo cannot be taken... that's fine. She should just lose her privilege to drive.

 

No religious freedoms at issue, just driving privileges.