Guest Vern Gagne Posted May 28, 2003 Report Posted May 28, 2003 Rob Neyer from ESPN.Com did a story about the 5 best starters since WWII. Figure it was a good topic. I'll make two lists. One is my actual five, this includes pitchers I never saw, or only saw at the end of their careers. The other is pitchers I've seen. 1.Sandy Koufax 2.Warren Spahn 3.Roger Clemens 4.Tom Seaver 5.Bob Gibson receiving votes: Maddux, Palmer, Carlton 1.Roger Clemens 2.Greg Maddux 3.Pedro Martinez 4.Randy Johnson 5.Curt Schilling receiving votes:Glavine, Cone, Gooden
Guest DrTom Posted May 28, 2003 Report Posted May 28, 2003 Koufax Gibson Spahn Seaver Clemens It's hard to narrow this down to just five names. I'm also guessing this to be people who played their whole careers after WWII?
Guest CanadianChris Posted May 28, 2003 Report Posted May 28, 2003 Gibson Spahn Seaver Maddux Clemens Koufax didn't pitch long enough to make my list. As far as pitchers I've seen... Clemens Maddux Johnson Ryan Martinez
Guest BobbyWhioux Posted May 28, 2003 Report Posted May 28, 2003 That I've seen: 1. Maddux 2. Johnson 3. Ryan 4. Glavine 5. Schilling / Clemens (can't quite pick) Hon. Mention: P. Martinez (He'll break the top five when he's been going like this for over a decade), Hersheiser. Mark Mulder could make this list if he can keep up what he's doing now for 7-8 more years (admittedly a big if). Going by lore/reputation (and some of my dad's stories) the best 5 I didn't see: [not necessarily in this order] Gibson Marichal Spahn Drysdale Seaver Hon. Mention: Palmer, Hunter, Koufax (10 years is good enough for me)
Guest alkeiper Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 Warren Spahn Roger Clemens Greg Maddux Randy Johnson Bob Gibson Spahn's easy. 363 wins is far and away the best post WWII. Clemens has 6 Cy Youngs, and Johnson and Maddux have 4 each. Gibson is a personal favorite, and he pitched absolutely devestating in 9 postseason starts.
Guest alkeiper Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 Warren Spahn Roger Clemens Greg Maddux Randy Johnson Bob Gibson Spahn's easy. 363 wins is far and away the best post WWII. Clemens has 6 Cy Youngs, and Johnson and Maddux have 4 each. Gibson is a personal favorite, and he pitched absolutely devestating in 9 postseason starts.
Guest phoenixrising Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 1. Sandy Koufax - Considered one of the best of all-time even though he really only got five spectacular seasons in. Amazing what he was able to accomplish in such a short time. 2. Nolan Ryan - Come on, you gotta include the strikeout king. He probably can STILL top 100 mph. Simply overpowered guys with the fastball. 3. Greg Maddux - Four Cy Youngs in a row. Posted sub 2 ERA's at a time when the norm is around 4. Just has amazing control over his pitches, it's like he's putting on a clinic in location when he's on the mound. 4. Roger Clemens - Has five Cy Youngs, and I think winning 300 games in the era of the specialist relief pitcher and five-man rotations is very impressive. 5. Randy Johnson - Will probably be the new strikeout king if he can get a few more seasons in. Still, five Cy Youngs (and he's one of three to win them in both leagues) is an impressive accomplishment.
Bored Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 In no particular order and completely off the top of my head Sandy Koufax Greg Maddux Steve Carlton Warren Spahn Nolan Ryan Oh and no A's fan would even put Roger Clemens in the top 10. We no respect for him as he's 0-5 career in postseason vs. the A's and is OWNED by my sig.
Guest meanmaisch Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 Sandy Koufax Bob Gibson Steve Carlton Warren Spahn Tom Seaver
Guest BANKYWOOD Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 Is Clemens better than Maddox? Let me think. No chancy, Nancy.
Guest HungryJack Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 feh. Fuck the Braves. Choke Artists. I'll go with Koufax Ryan Clemens Spahn and as a sentimental favorite Dave Stewart He was neevr anything too special, but he was masterful in the playoffs, plus he had the bad-ass glare like "if you hit this, i'ma kill you and fuck yo' bitch"
Guest Vern Gagne Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 I'm I the only one who thinks Nolan Ryan doesn't belong in any Top 5 or even 10 list of best starters?
Guest BANKYWOOD Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 feh. Fuck the Braves. Choke Artists. I'll go with Koufax Ryan Clemens Spahn and as a sentimental favorite Dave Stewart He was neevr anything too special, but he was masterful in the playoffs, plus he had the bad-ass glare like "if you hit this, i'ma kill you and fuck yo' bitch" Dave Stewart? Whoa. Might as well put Dennis Eckersley on your list.
Guest Vern Gagne Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 feh. Fuck the Braves. Choke Artists. I'll go with Koufax Ryan Clemens Spahn and as a sentimental favorite Dave Stewart He was neevr anything too special, but he was masterful in the playoffs, plus he had the bad-ass glare like "if you hit this, i'ma kill you and fuck yo' bitch" Dave Stewart? Whoa. Might as well put Dennis Eckersley on your list. 5 Best Closers 1.Dennis Eckersley 2.Mariano Rivera 3.Rollie Fingers 4.Bruce Sutter 5.Goose Gossage Current 1.Mariano Rivera 2.Treavor Hoffman 3.Rob Nen 4.Troy Pervicial 5.Billy Wagner
Guest alkeiper Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 I'm I the only one who thinks Nolan Ryan doesn't belong in any Top 5 or even 10 list of best starters? He is highly overrated, not top 5 material, but he makes my top 10 due to longevity, which I think counts for alot.
Guest PencilJobber Posted May 29, 2003 Report Posted May 29, 2003 My List would go like this: Koufax Clemens Maddux Ryan Spahn With Pedro,Randy J and Bob Gibson just outside
Guest thetrendsetter Posted May 31, 2003 Report Posted May 31, 2003 Top 5 Pitchers 1. Nolan Ryan 2. Sandy Koufax 3. Greg Maddux 4. Roger Clemens 5. Bob Gibson
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