Hogan- why i won't cheer

[Guest caboose]

i know the wrestling world is in love with hogan again but we

should all remember who hogan is.

 

hogan ran the wwf into the ground with his hulkamania bullshit.

hogan ran wcw into the ground with his nWo/hulkamania bullshit.

hogan held back steamboat, savage and sting three of the most popular superstars of the last 15 years, and prevented them from accomplishing what could have been three legendary careers.

hogan tried to destroy ric flair's legacy.

hogan tried to prevent bret hart from becoming the wwf's main man, then held him back in wcw.

hogan made the wwf title and wcw title his play things.

hogan had relatives and friends all as untalented as hogan himself pushed down are throats.

hogan made wcw re-hire the warrior simply to get back an 8-year old job.

hogan tried to sellout vince and the wwf in the steroids trial, despite the wwf making hogan who he was, and being on the steroids himself.

 

but because he popped the crowd in toronto, everyone loves hogan again.

but i won't cheer.

[Guest]

It's true. It's true.

 

Thanx for a much needed wake up call.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

You are so correct.  Add in the fact that he can't wrestle at all and is 15 years past his prime, and you can see why I will never cheer the guy again.

[Guest muzanisa]

I think the general consensus is that Hogan did everything possible to get Vince off in the Steroid trial.

You could make most of the other points about pretty much any headliner of any era. Flair held down Luger, Thesz held back Rogers, That's the way the business works if you're looking for an unselfish headliner. Foley maybe Sting?

Hogan saved the WWf with his Hulkamania bullshit

Hogan made WCW with his NWO.Hulkamania bullshit

Cannot disagree on getting his friends jobs, Flair had Anderson, Hogan had Beefcake, Duggan, Honky, etc.

Although Bret did keep Anvil and Bulldog and jobs.

He would have got the job back sooner but Warrior kept disappearing.

 

I won't be cheering Hogan because he's shit and his matches stink.

Besides it already looks like the Nostalgia pop is dying.

[Guest caboose]

hulkamania may have made the wwf, but it's no good if it winds up being the reason the the wwf almost fell apart.

same with wcw, if the thing that makes you great ends up destroying you, it's not something to celebrate.

arn anderson was one of the most talented wrestlers of his time, so you can't really complain about that.

and i think wcw signed bulldog and niedhart to piss off vince rather than bret asked them to.

also it was hogan and his control over bischoff who got foley's ass fired, along with austin and pillman

[Guest muzanisa]

I totally agree about Anderson, The hire my friends aspect of Hogan is the thing I most dislike about him, it wouldn't be bad if his friends were at Anderson's level.

Hogan definately had the worst

Undertaker's responsable for Godfather and the Brothers of destruction/Kronic match, and Crush is meant to be friends with Hogan as well.

Vince is the boss so if the company succeeds or fails it is down to him.  Vince has made more money off Hogan than Hogan has ever made for himself. If Hulkamania nearly destroyed the WWF then that's Vince's fault not Hogan's.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

I never have cheered for Hogan and never will. If WCW hadn't signed him in the first place, they might not have had their boom period, but they'd still be in business now as a home for quality wrestling, not sportz entertainment.

[Guest buffybeast]

For the love of God and all His children, I do not understand why people are cheering and in love with Hogan.  My God, this is no 1988.

 

I watched Hogan's match last night.  He never was a technical genius in the ring.  But man, he looked like a decrepit, beat up old man last night.  He even had the audacity to "hulk up".  He was slow, his leg drop took him 2 inches off the ground, his mic work sucks.  Even if you do not factor in his backstage stuff that few are aware of, he still just plain sucks.

 

And all I saw last night was a sea of hulkamania signs and t-shirts.  Ugh.

[Guest caboose]

it was hogan holding vince to ransom, and because of this hulkamania got to run wild about 3 years too long, you think vince was stupid enough to put the title on hogan at WM9 like he did unless hogan pulled a power play.

[Guest muzanisa]

I'm not so sure enigma Inuit. Aol Time Warner took over TNT and the head of programming wanted wrestling off the station. Unless they'd stumbled upon the Stone Cold formula with Austin, which is unlikely as he would have probably been a good enough heel champion as Stunning Steve to not need a complete makeover. Foley would probably be retired or on his last run. Pillman would still be dead. Even though WCW was losing money hand over fist at the end it still had good ratings for a cable show and would probably have kept them without Hogan and the big financial burdens on the roster. but if the boss of the Station didn't want to be associated with wrestling then it was going anyway. It's not as if they went out of their way to get a good offer for it and Fusient pulled out because there was no TV deal.

[Guest humongous2002]

I never liked Hogan not even back in the 80's, he's always been an overhyped, untalented, bald, orange turd. Even back then when I was a kid I knew that Steamboat and the Dynamite Kid could run circles around Hogan in the ring. Hogan has always sucked and I just can't believe the fans are cheering for this pathetic excuse of a wrestler.HELL MUST BE FREEZING OVER!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Aol Time Warner took over TNT and the head of programming wanted wrestling off the station.

That's true, I forgot about that.

 

I'll blame Time Warner *and* Hulk.

[Guest]

I'll blame Time Warner, Hogan, Nash, Bishoff and Russo.

 

Also worth a mention Sullivan, Arquette and Tony Schivone just for the hell of it.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

the wrestling world is kinda in love with hogan again and we should all remember who hogan is.

 

hogan fucked up dino bravo, who was killed by gangsters that, despite their gangster weapons, hogan probably would have been able to fuck up, too.

hogan fucked up billy kidman and his new blood bitch-buddies.

hogan held back steamboat, savage and sting, but they're all cool about it.

hogan destroyed that son of a bitch ric flair and cemented the legacy of hulkamania.

hogan laid the smack down on yokozuna's crippled ass and prevented bret hart from going down in history as the man who wussed the wwf title away to the japs.  

hogan had the wwf title and wcw title a lot of times, fucking up assholes like meng, mr. perfect and outlaw ron bass in the process.

hogan had relatives and friends, which allowed people to relate to him better because they also had relatives and friends.

hogan made wcw re-hire the warrior to shut that idiot up and show him who was really the man.

hogan tried to sellout arenas all over the country, and he did because he's extremely awesome.

 

he popped the crowd in toronto, and now oodles of people love hogan again, just like how it should be.

and i will cheer.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I agree!

[Guest Tony149]

I've never hated Hogan like some do. I don't agree on some things he's done, but his current run in the WWF is nothing more than a nostalgia trip. I think the fans know it, they just want to see him for the last time.

[Guest buffybeast]

Well can someone tell me how long the Orange goblin's nostalgia run will last before the fans wake the hell up?

[Guest caboose]

the neostalgia will run until he blows a move, wins a title or after a prolonged MIA period, austin returns.

hell, if rocky goes heel and cuts the promos like only he can as a heel, the marks will realise what they've done and cheer for the rock again.

[Guest Goodear]

I cleaned up the capitalization because I'm anal.

 

** I know the wrestling world is in love with Hogan again but we should all remember who Hogan is. **

 

Right.  Hogan was one of the (if not thee biggest) draws in wrestling history that draws hatred from the internet fan base because he doesn't technically wrestle very well but wins a whole lot.  

 

** Hogan ran the WWF into the ground with his Hulkamania bullshit. **

 

Except Hogan made a whole lot of money for the WWF for something like seven years as their top draw against some subpar (Bundy, Andre, Earthquake) and some very good opponents (Savage, Orndorff, DiBiase).  Did his star eventually fall?  Yes.  But running the WWF into the ground?  I don't think so.

 

** Hogan ran wcw into the ground with his nWo/hulkamania bullshit. **

 

Except Hogan's heel turn generated some actual profitable years for WCW ... which didn't happen very often.  Did that star eventually fall too?  Yes again.  But did Hogan destroy WCW all on his own?  I don't think so.

 

** Hogan held back Steamboat, Savage and Sting three of the most popular superstars of the last 15 years, and prevented them from accomplishing what could have been three legendary careers. **

 

Sigh.  Hogan and Savage had one of the best slow burn feuds in all of wrestling history.  It was the highpoint of Savage's career.  Steamboat didn't have the charisma to pull off a top spot, as evidenced by how the fans decided to cheer Ric Flair at his heelist over him during their NWA title feud.  Sting got buried by Flair and Ole Anderson's booking long before Hogan even got into the company.  Only a complete gimmick makeover salvaged his career, and then he couldn't bring the great matches anymore.

 

** Hogan tried to destroy Ric Flair's legacy. **

 

Ric Flair destroyed his own legacy when he became a parody of himself almost ten years ago.  If Flair would have retired when he should have, his place in history would have been secure.

 

** Hogan tried to prevent Bret Hart from becoming the WWF's main man, then held him back in WCW. **

 

Bret was injured during his WCW stint too often to be the man there.  And Bret and Hogan where only major players in the WWF at the same time from Wrestlemania IX to that year's King of the Ring.

 

** Hogan made the WWF title and WCW title his play things. **

 

I'm not sure what this means.  Hogan was a top guy, so he had belts all the time.  He made belts important and made it important whenever they got taken from him.  Remember when that used to be the case all the time?

 

** Hogan had relatives and friends all as untalented as Hogan himself pushed down our throats. **

 

Beefcake, Knobs, and Duggan had previously earned their positions in the WWF, but they all sucked a major meat missle in WCW to be sure.  But only Beefcake was really pushed down anyone's throat by headlining a Starcade.  Duggan was a transitional US champion and Knobs was just the Hardcore champion.  Big whoop.

 

** Hogan made WCW re-hire The Warrior simply to get back an 8-year old job. **

 

You can't "make" a company hire someone they don't want to hire.  If the front office was so dumb as to bring in the Warrior, that's their fault.

 

** But because he popped the crowd in toronto, everyone loves Hogan again but I won't cheer. **

 

So be it.

[Guest caboose]

flair by the way made sting look like gold in their feud.

remember it was hogan who wouldn't job clean to sting at starrcade 1997 in the biggest most anticipated blowoff ever. then getting the title back 2 months later, yeah like hogan didn't have anything to do with that.

 

i'm not denying hogan is one of the all time greats, because he truly is.

 

what i'm saying is that the 10 year old mark that has been

re-awakened in most, is blinding people to the shit that hogan has done throughout his career and all the bullshit that he's put fans through in the last 5 years.

 

when hogan pulled out the 'hulk' for his feud with nash in mid 1999, it was obvious that it was the final blow, wcw just died a slow, painful death.

[Guest dreamer420]

Hogan looked weak in the ring last night but that is all I have come to expect from Hogan.  The way I look at it is that as long as the WWF never had to release any wrestlers (that I like anyway) to make way for the nWo, then the more the merrier.  If they can help the WWF in anyway and make the shows better then I'm glad they are here.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

what i'm saying is that the 10 year old mark that has been

re-awakened in most, is blinding people to the shit that hogan has done throughout his career and all the bullshit that he's put fans through in the last 5 years.

Maybe some people don't care about the shit ... and maybe they also enjoyed the "bullshit."  Not necessarily talking about myself, but that doesn't mean it can't be true for somebody.

 

I'm also very disappointed you didn't even bother to make an attempt to respond to the points I've already made.  You know, about Dino Bravo and stuff.

[Guest Anthony]

what i'm saying is that the 10 year old mark that has been

re-awakened in most, is blinding people to the shit that hogan has done throughout his career and all the bullshit that he's put fans through in the last 5 years.

You also didn't prove any valid points in your "listings"

 

You just said "Hogan held down, enter (name) here" but didn't say how.

 

I'd counter them, but someone already beat me to it.

 

Perhaps the fans cheer because...god forbid, they actually watch it for the entertainment's sake? Granted Hogan's wrestling isn't very good, but he's still entertaining to watch for those who cheer, perhaps thats why they cheer.

 

Hogan can't do a shooting star press, lets boo him!!!

[Guest Austin3164life]

Even when I was a "wee lad" in the late eighties, I never cheered Hulk Hogan.  To me, my favorite wrestler at that period was the Million Dollar Man.  DiBiase had loads of heel charisma that was very funny at times, and also he had better workrate than Hogan by far.  His match with Randy Savage (in which I think Ted should've won), was an excellent one (my first ever match that I saw).  Hogan, to me, was a dorky old guy who tore his t-shirts off.  Aside from putting all of his old and worthless friends in WCW, he also tried to ruin Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Sting, and Steamboat with his megalomania politics.  The worst finish in wrestling happened because of him (WM 9), and also, Austin was released from WCW because Hogan advised Bischoff that "Austin isn't star material".  Then people complain when Austin doesn't want to have anything to do with the nWo.  Who would want to work with a pathetic septuginarian-looking man who is trying to have his last hurrah?

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

hogan also held down Mr. Perfect...

[Guest Big Poppa Smurf]

hogan ran the wwf into the ground with his hulkamania

bullshit.

- Hogan was long gone by the time the WWF was barely selling out arenas and pushing Mabel, Aldo Montoya and Kevin Nash down the publics throats.

 

hogan ran wcw into the ground with his nWo/hulkamania bullshit.

- WCW's untimely demise was the result of mismanagement pure and simple its just a lot easier(and surely more fun in a tabloid trashy kind of way) to place blame on Hogan, Nash and the rest instead of the suits really who ran the company.

 

hogan held back steamboat, savage and sting three of the most popular superstars of the last 15 years, and prevented them from accomplishing what could have been three legendary careers.

- In the 80's heyday Hogan was the #1 wrestler in the whole business, Steamboat was the number #2 face in the WWF and back then faces didn't wrestle eachother in the WWF, it just wasn't done and that was a philosophy from the top not Hogans; Randy Savage's career was helped monumentally by the fact that he was placed in such a high profile program with Hogan; Sting had lost his fire for pro wrestling before Hogan even showed up in WCW. Go watch some tapes and you'll see that Sting was sleepwalking.

 

hogan tried to destroy ric flair's legacy.

- How did he try to do that? Examples are needed.

 

hogan tried to prevent bret hart from becoming the wwf's main man, then held him back in wcw.

- But Bret did become the WWF's main man. And considering that Bret Hart publicly whines about every injustice he thinks ever befell him I'm shocked that he doesn't seem to harp on Hogan as much as he does others considering Hogan held him down.

 

hogan made the wwf title and wcw title his play things.

- He defended both belts and never lost them to B-list movie stars or promoters so I don't think this gripe has any legs either.

 

hogan had relatives and friends all as untalented as hogan himself pushed down are throats.

- A practice that pretty much every influential wrestler(Flair, Lawler, Michaels, Dusty) has done. If ya can't help your friends than who can you help?

 

hogan made wcw re-hire the warrior simply to get back an 8-year old job.

- But he was punked by the Warrior and only got the pin after a ridiculous amount of interference and cheating.

 

hogan tried to sellout vince and the wwf in the steroids trial, despite the wwf making hogan who he was, and being on the steroids himself.

- All reports state that Hogan, while under oath, tried to be as ambiguous in his answers when it came to assigning blame.

Besides if Vince isn't holding a grudge why should you?

 

but because he popped the crowd in toronto, everyone loves hogan again.

- Not everyone, you don't.

 

but i won't cheer.

- Way to be a freethinker.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

how did hogan try to ruin flair's legacy? well he used his backstage power to have flair dress up as awoman among other things.

 

sure flair had friends in wcw but he didn't hire them not to mention arn anderson is one of the all time greats something you can't say about beefcake,horace hogan,duggan,etc.

 

when we say that he made the belts his play things we mean that he never defended them, he'd only defend them once every month or two.

 

he held down the other wrestler by refusing to work matches with heels, and by talking shit about the faces.

[Guest]

The worst finish in wrestling happened because of him (WM 9), and also, Austin was released from WCW because Hogan advised Bischoff that "Austin isn't star material".

You think this would make Austin want to treat people fair when he became a big star. But no, he refused to work with Jeff Jarrett and was pissed about Scott Hall. Has Hall ever wronged Austin before? I dont think so. Fuck Steve Austin.

 

Then people complain when Austin doesn't want to have anything to do with the nWo.  Who would want to work with a pathetic septuginarian-looking man who is trying to have his last hurrah?

Ok so Austin doesnt want to have anything to do with NWO. But now hes whining that hes not main eventing. Looks like Stone Cold wants to have his cake and eat it too.

[Guest caboose]

sting basically wasn't allowed to wrestle after returning in 1997, either he was booked to squash, booked to be screwed, or booked in stupid gimmick matches.

 

why did hogan get to assist savage in winning the title at WM4? to get his stupid face in the main event. and then at WM8 savage vs. flair was the very definition of a match that should be the main event, great wrestlers, great storyline, great match, and of course it was for the title. instead we got hogan vs. sid and the warrior lovefest.

 

what about steamboat losing the ic title to honkytonk man. after partaking in one of the greatest matches of all time, to cap off a stunning feud.

steamboat was screwed ou of the title and then dropped into the midcard, given a stupid dragon gimmick and allowed to leave for the nwa. it was pretty obvious steamboat was going all the way to the top, but for some reason, i.e  hogan being threatened by steamboat's rising popularity and supreme ringwork, vince let his no.2 face go.

 

hulkamania did run the wwf and wcw into the ground. simply because in both feds it was rammed down the fans throats, who lost interest in seeing the same thing over and over again. so the ratings were already in free fall by the time vince or wcw tried something new.

[Guest dreamer420]

Good points Caboose.  But remember that those were all time that Hulk Hogan was bigger that the company he worked for.  Now Vince is bigger than Hulk and he won't be fucking up his last chance in the WWF.