Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted May 31, 2003 I'm posting this in here rather than No Holds Barred, because I'd rather keep it civil... y'know. So what are your major beefs with the way that WWF/E has handled the three time champion, Wrestlemania main eventer, and man who kicked out of three Stunners in one match? Obviously WWF/E hasn't been 100% right with their handling of him, but you make it seem more like 0%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest raptor Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Don't forget that HULK HOGAN submitted to the Ankle Lock. That's a pretty big thing, I'd think. ...and even though it was a weird double pin thing, Undertaker tapped to a Triangle Hold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Don't forget that HULK HOGAN submitted to the Ankle Lock. That's a pretty big thing, I'd think. ...and even though it was a weird double pin thing, Undertaker tapped to a Triangle Hold. That was ruined LATER that week. I'm pretty damn furious that they absolutely refuse to keep him in the mains for an extended period of time I HATE that they make him the BUTT of every midcard joke. That about covers it. Obviously WWF/E hasn't been 100% right with their handling of him, but you make it seem more like 0%. 40-45% is about right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted May 31, 2003 What about: - three time champion (Although, yes, one was a stupid 2 week reign, on a post 9/11 kick) - Wrestlemania main eventer - kicked out of three Stunners in one match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 What about: - three time champion (Although, yes, one was a stupid 2 week reign, on a post 9/11 kick) Don't tell me you LIKE the first reign. And third was nothing overly good either. - Wrestlemania main eventer Jericho. - kicked out of three Stunners in one match? Two. And that was a year and a half ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2003 - kicked out of three Stunners in one match? Two. And that was a year and a half ago. No...it was 3. He mentions it in the hype for his match at Unforgiven 2001 against Austin. Oh, and how about: Defeated Chris Benoit CLEANLY by Submission Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 - kicked out of three Stunners in one match? Two. And that was a year and a half ago. No...it was 3. He mentions it in the hype for his match at Unforgiven 2001 against Austin. Oh, and how about: Defeated Chris Benoit CLEANLY by Submission He fell out of the ring on the third one. Oh, and how about: Defeated Chris Benoit CLEANLY by Submission Jericho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Oh, and how about: Defeated Chris Benoit CLEANLY by Submission A win over Benoit means nothing these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted May 31, 2003 It doesn't matter if he "rolled out of the ring". He still wasn't defeated by it, and there were no mitigating circumstances, like a ref bump. And can't you come up with anything better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Can you come up with aything better than "Well, he's a three time champ!" Just LOOK at those reigns! And for every good thing like the stunner kickouts, there are ten "hilarious" wig scenarios. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2003 I don't see the problem with his last reign thus far as champion. He looked more like a threat during it, was a lot more serious...more focused... What's the big hate for Reign 3? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 I don't see the problem with his last reign thus far as champion. He looked more like a threat during it, was a lot more serious...more focused... What's the big hate for Reign 3? The third reign was absolutely the best. I'm in no way a fan of how they had him win it. He was jobbing to Big Show clean before Brock literally won it for him. But I can over look that, as it makes him look clever and smart in getting rock to do all the work. The reign was going pretty nicely until they started the build to Mania. And then it all went straight to hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest INXS Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Am I the only person on the net who actually liked Kurt Angle's first title reign? I don't think he was booked all that bad. A 4-5 month title reign isn't bad in my eyes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2003 The reign was going pretty nicely until they started the build to Mania. And then it all went straight to hell. Eh...sorta. I DID like that little face-to-face confrontation they had in the locker-room. Then there was Kurt using his Intelligence (one of the 3 I's) to weaken Lesnar's ribs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Am I the only person on the net who actually liked Kurt Angle's first title reign? I don't think he was booked all that bad. A 4-5 month title reign isn't bad in my eyes. I liked it too... the only problem I could have really seen with it is that at times it was overlooked that he was the champion. Otherwise, seemed fine to me. Plus, Kurt looks cool, IMO, when wearing a championship belt around his waist. Making me STILL wonder how he'd look in the "classic" WWF Championship as posted as my avatar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 The reign was going pretty nicely until they started the build to Mania. And then it all went straight to hell. Eh...sorta. I DID like that little face-to-face confrontation they had in the locker-room. Then there was Kurt using his Intelligence (one of the 3 I's) to weaken Lesnar's ribs... Once they thought he might be gone for good, they tried a little harder for him. It was just too late though. The train had already left the station. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Can you come up with aything better than "Well, he's a three time champ!" Just LOOK at those reigns! And for every good thing like the stunner kickouts, there are ten "hilarious" wig scenarios. The first reign was a brilliant piece of booking whereby Angle established himself as dangerous by using his brain to beat guys who are normally deemed invincible. He got wins over every WWF star, and got them in ways that put even more heat on him, while not taking away from the other guys at all. The only problem was that after that reign, he was thrown out of the ME picture for 5 months and became a midcarder again for no reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Am I the only person on the net who actually liked Kurt Angle's first title reign? I don't think he was booked all that bad. A 4-5 month title reign isn't bad in my eyes. That was a 4-5 month Honky-reign. He wasn't any kind of a threat, he was a walking joke. It sucked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Can you come up with aything better than "Well, he's a three time champ!" Just LOOK at those reigns! And for every good thing like the stunner kickouts, there are ten "hilarious" wig scenarios. The first reign was a brilliant piece of booking whereby Angle established himself as dangerous by using his brain to beat guys who are normally deemed invincible. He got wins over every WWF star, and got them in ways that put even more heat on him, while not taking away from the other guys at all. The only problem was that after that reign, he was thrown out of the ME picture for 5 months and became a midcarder again for no reason. I don't agree with that at all. Most of the time he just lucked out rather than use his brain. (Both Austin Raws, HHH, HiaC) However, if they hadn't dropped him to the midcad for 5 months fo no reason, it may have worked itself out. I do agree there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted May 31, 2003 My major gripie with how the WWE handled Angle is with his feud with HHH after his return from the quad injury. Angle was embarassed constantly by HHH and made to look inferior in every way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2003 My major gripie with how the WWE handled Angle is with his feud with HHH after his return from the quad injury. Angle was embarassed constantly by HHH and made to look inferior in every way. And...how's that different from any other HHH vs. someone feud? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Can you come up with aything better than "Well, he's a three time champ!" Just LOOK at those reigns! And for every good thing like the stunner kickouts, there are ten "hilarious" wig scenarios. The first reign was a brilliant piece of booking whereby Angle established himself as dangerous by using his brain to beat guys who are normally deemed invincible. He got wins over every WWF star, and got them in ways that put even more heat on him, while not taking away from the other guys at all. The only problem was that after that reign, he was thrown out of the ME picture for 5 months and became a midcarder again for no reason. I don't agree with that at all. Most of the time he just lucked out rather than use his brain. (Both Austin Raws, HHH, HiaC) However, if they hadn't dropped him to the midcad for 5 months fo no reason, it may have worked itself out. I do agree there. I agree about the RAWS, but HIAC was no luck. It was brains, and even JR said it. Angle waited for someone else do his dirty work and then he capitalized on it. THAT is using your head. THAT is what a villain should do. Not to mention the fact that the entire match was designed by Mick Foley to piss off Angle and get the title off him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest INXS Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Triple H and Angle's feud right after Triple H's return wasn't that bad. It went to crap after Triple H became champion after destroying Jerricho and then every week on smackdown! and on house shows he was pulling down Angle's tights and spanking his ass. Then of course beating him in the middle of the ring. But, I'm sure no one forced Angle to do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 My major gripie with how the WWE handled Angle is with his feud with HHH after his return from the quad injury. Angle was embarassed constantly by HHH and made to look inferior in every way. Which was followed by Edge and Hogan doing the same thing. The writers suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2003 My major gripie with how the WWE handled Angle is with his feud with HHH after his return from the quad injury. Angle was embarassed constantly by HHH and made to look inferior in every way. Which was followed by Edge and Hogan doing the same thing. The writers suck. Except for the fact that Angle actually got SOME edges on Edge and Hogan. Including beating Hogan CLEAN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Angle waited for someone else do his dirty work and then he capitalized on it. THAT is using your head. THAT is what a villain should do. Not to mention the fact that the entire match was designed by Mick Foley to piss off Angle and get the title off him. That seemed more like "right place, right time" than anything else. He hadn't planned for it to go that way (Like how he won the 3rd title, which is a great example of using his brain to get someone else to do the dirty work) Even the horrible Doink Undertaker finish showed Angle actually outsmarting someone better than HiaC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Even the horrible Doink Undertaker finish showed Angle actually outsmarting someone better than HiaC So much so that they had to use it twice for Angle! ...though, I did laugh to know that Eric Angle copied his brother in hairstyle. Maybe Nidia wanted it that way... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted May 31, 2003 My major gripie with how the WWE handled Angle is with his feud with HHH after his return from the quad injury. Angle was embarassed constantly by HHH and made to look inferior in every way. Which was followed by Edge and Hogan doing the same thing. The writers suck. Except for the fact that Angle actually got SOME edges on Edge and Hogan. Including beating Hogan CLEAN. During the feud? When? Edge was booked as Angle's superior throughout the whole thing. Hell, Angle won cleanly at Backlash and it was never mentioned again. They didn't even have Edge sell it as a setback. Including beating Hogan CLEAN Which was destroyed later that week when they had Angle squeak a win out over a rookie and then RUN AWAY from him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted May 31, 2003 Angle's second title reign was shat, too. Probably because Angle's face character was shat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted May 31, 2003 His second reign was, what, 3 weeks? His first went to shit once they got to January; that HHH feud focused more on the Steph/Trish/HHH stuff than Angle and the Rumble match sucked. Rock winning at NWO was a mercy killing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
