possible SD! spoilers for tonight

[Guest Kingpk]

I don't want this to happen for 2 reasons:

 

1. Benoit shouldn't turn heel again.

 

2. Heyman should be kept off my TV at all times.

Huh? Benoit as a ruthless, silent heel with Heyman as his mouthpiece? THAT doesn't make you go "Hmm, that may work"?

[Guest ViciousFish]

2. Heyman should be kept off my TV at all times.

What is wrong with you?

What's wrong with Heyman?? He's a great heel manager. I miss him sitting with JR doing commentary. He is 1000000 times better than Lawler and made listening to JR tolerable.

 

He made Big Show almost seem like a threat. He made it seem like there was a reason for Team Angle to debut.

[Guest Choken One]

First Off...Angle's above Lesnar in the ability to make someone look good.

 

Another thing...Cena/Angle would be more enteraining from a storyline aspect with the great promos they can cut...

 

Benoit/Angle has been done time and time again for the last three years...

 

When Bret returned in 1996...He went right into a program with a HUGE HEEL that was slowly becoming a over face...

 

The same can be done here AS...

 

putting benoit/angle is good for another series of **** matches but to create new interest in the product you need to do fresher angles...

 

Rehashing a three year fued isn't going to work...

[Guest Anglesault]

I'm all for having Angle be a face...

 

but having him join sides with the guy who beat him...and not go after the title...

 

kind of makes Angle seem...

 

you know...scared.

WEL DATS HIS CHARETR! YOU ANGL FANZ ALWAS wANT MORE STUF FOT ANGEL. CAN'T YOU JUST BE HAPP THATHES MAKEN $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ AS THE UDIT SCARDY GOOFBLL? gESUS, ANGKLE FANS CAN ENVER BE SATIZFYD!

[Guest Ray]

Frankly, i dont know why everyone is so high on cena. Honestly, i WOULD rather see another Angle/Benoit feud then Cena/Angle. Although fresh matchups are good, i just dont like Cena main eventing at the point hes at now.

 

Cena's only "decent" in the ring. Hes got good charisma but only when hes rapping.

Well, thank god. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks that.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

If Benoit turns heel (again) then everything he is built for the past year will mean NOTHING. The fans are beginning to notice just how hard and good Benoit works - of course, that means they actually genuinely appreciate Benoit and we can't have that!

 

Cena vs. Angle is just bad. BAD. Angle = main event. Cena = mid card. Cena = gimmick worker. Angle = former gimmick worker/hopefully legitimate champions.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

I'm all for having Angle be a face...

 

but having him join sides with the guy who beat him...and not go after the title...

 

kind of makes Angle seem...

 

you know...scared.

WEL DATS HIS CHARETR! YOU ANGL FANZ ALWAS wANT MORE STUF FOT ANGEL. CAN'T YOU JUST BE HAPP THATHES MAKEN $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ AS THE UDIT SCARDY GOOFBLL? gESUS, ANGKLE FANS CAN ENVER BE SATIZFYD!

I haven't been here as long as some of you... so would you mind explaining this kind of mocking to me?? I mean, I get the basic point, but why use mispelling and obvious typos?? I see this technique used quite frequently and to tell you the truth... I've never even seen those that make the above points mocked by Sault use that horrible of grammar

[Guest EternallyLazy]

Frankly, i dont know why everyone is so high on cena. Honestly, i WOULD rather see another Angle/Benoit feud then Cena/Angle. Although fresh matchups are good, i just dont like Cena main eventing at the point hes at now.

 

Cena's only "decent" in the ring. Hes got good charisma but only when hes rapping.

Well, thank god. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks that.

You mean a young rookie with limited experience is ONLY decent with his in ring skills?!? You're kidding!!

[Guest Anglesault]

Cena vs. Angle is just bad. BAD. Angle = main event. Cena = mid card. Cena = gimmick worker. Angle = former gimmick worker/hopefully legitimate champions.

That too.

[Guest Choken One]

Wow...I can't believe you really want ANOTHER benoit/Angle fued...

 

Where would we be if the BretSaults of 1996 clamored for Hart/HBK II or Hart/Hart again...Austin never would've been elevated and Angle would've never shown up...

[Guest Showstoppa Icon]

Frankly, i dont know why everyone is so high on cena. Honestly, i WOULD rather see another Angle/Benoit feud then Cena/Angle. Although fresh matchups are good, i just dont like Cena main eventing at the point hes at now.

 

Cena's only "decent" in the ring. Hes got good charisma but only when hes rapping.

Well, thank god. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks that.

You mean a young rookie with limited experience is ONLY decent with his in ring skills?!? You're kidding!!

exactly, only DECENT ring skills. That was sorta gonna be the point to my post. Is that id rather see guys like Benoit/Guerrero in feuds with Angle, while Cena develops. Why waste Angle against someone whos not ready?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I'd say "basic" or "vanilla" rather than "decent"

[Guest Choken One]

As much I love Benoit/Angle, lESNAR/Angle...Angle/Eddy...

 

WWE needs to start elevating and creating fresher angles. Sticking the returning Mega-Face Angle against the same guys he was playing with before he got hurt only make the product appear as if nothing happen....

[Guest Ray]

You mean a young rookie with limited experience is ONLY decent with his in ring skills?!? You're kidding!!

 

Er.....My point about Cena is he gets too much praise for his wrestling, when he's just "decent."

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Just cause one is against Cena/Angle doesn't mean one is for Benoit/Angle. Cena should actually *do* something before getting a shot at Angle. Cena is just simply the wrong personality to go up against Angle right now.

[Guest Choken One]

I see what you are saying but It's pretty easy for WWE to able to Make Cena look good as a heel...

 

Think about it...Broken Neck...There's about 1083 things Cena could work with there...

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

..and there are about 0 things they can do right now to make him look like a credible threat to Kurt Angle due to the fact that he's still, irrevocably, a mid card gimmick wrestler who bombed in his first run at the title.

 

Here is how they could elevate Cena...

 

Have him allign himself with the wrestler Angle really wants to wrestle. Have that wrestler (wrestler a) be in the ring, have Cena come down and interupt and say that he wants the first shot at Angle. Have Angle come out, Cena comes to meet him in the entrance way, all the while Angle is looking at Wrestler A, Cena rushes Kurt, and Angle throws Cena with a B2B and then runs to the ring to go face to face with Wrestler A.

 

That buries Cena? You're damn fuckin right it does. Then Cena can spend the Summer plotting revenge against Angle and working his way up the Smackdown ladder from the jobbers to the number 1 contenders. By Survivor Series he should be ready for a title shot.

 

Angle should be protected right now, he's very fragile, and a feud with Cena isn't what either man needs.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I don't want this to happen for 2 reasons:

 

1. Benoit shouldn't turn heel again.

 

2. Heyman should be kept off my TV at all times.

Huh? Benoit as a ruthless, silent heel with Heyman as his mouthpiece? THAT doesn't make you go "Hmm, that may work"?

I've heard this suggested so many times, and have yet to see any indication that it will work. What I do know is that Benoit has gotten far more over as a face than he was as a heel, and that Heyman has been an X-pacian heat sink for every wrestler he's been with. The best thing that happened to Brock's career was getting away from Heyman and his "you suck" heat. Heyman is like a shitty Vince McMahon, and I don't see anyone clammoring to give Vinnie Mac more TV time, other than himself.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Isn't this just the WWE way?

 

Benoit gets a standing O at the Rumble...so they throw him in meaningless tag matches for months...leave him off a PPV...jerk him in the next one in a sub-5 minute 6 man tag and then turn him heel.

 

Elavate new stars? They can't even push the ones who elavated themselves.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I still would like to see Arn Anderson and Benoit together - even though Benoit _can_ cut a good enough promo, Arn would really bring the emotion Benoit doesn't, or can't, bring.

[chaosrage 0]

Wow...I can't believe you really want ANOTHER benoit/Angle fued...

 

Where would we be if the BretSaults of 1996 clamored for Hart/HBK II or Hart/Hart again...Austin never would've been elevated and Angle would've never shown up...

The thing about that is in 96, Bret was at the tip-top of the company. A feud with Austin could only do good things for Austin. Angle isn't that far removed from a mid carder himself. He's going to have to pretty much squash guys like Cena to cement himself at the top, like Hart did from 92-94. He needs a run like that. Now that he's serious and he should be coming back as a face, there's no reason he shouldn't have one.

[Guest Austin3164life]

As much I love Benoit/Angle, lESNAR/Angle...Angle/Eddy...

 

WWE needs to start elevating and creating fresher angles. Sticking the returning Mega-Face Angle against the same guys he was playing with before he got hurt only make the product appear as if nothing happen....

Choken One is correct, and no I am not saying this because I am a Cena mark. While I agree Cena cannot carry another wrestler in the ring and still needs to tweak his skills, Cena is VERY much over on Smackdown, and is probably their #1 heel. His raps have a very serious tone to them and he appears legitimate. The problem is that the Backlash match was booked pretty badly with Cena not having ANY true near falls. In a match series at Vengeance and Summerslam with Angle, Cena would probably LOVE this opportunity to work with his favorite pro-wrestler, and would definitely bring his A-game.

 

In terms of being the right character (as Rudo said he isn't), he is the perfect heel to feud with Angle right now. Other than the way he was buried after Backlash, the fans still see him as a charismatic and rising heel (since Cole and Tazz shill him that way). The focal point of his persona is that he has no respect for anyone, including veterans like Benoit and Undertaker (this was showcased leading up to Backlash). Cena only cares about himself and wants the World Title for himself, and doesn't give a crap who wears it, as long as he gets it. If you guys need more proof or convincing, I'll outline this:

 

1. Have Angle return as the big face by coming out with a serious expression on his face. He cuts a promo speaking about his life in pro-wrestling, and how that was almost taken away from him. Sympathy pops start around now, and then Angle speaks about how his main goal is to be the greatest WWE Champion of all time. Team Angle comes out to praise Kurt and welcome him back, but they also want him to return to his heel ways and have Angle help them cheat to win back the tag titles. Angle, a changed man, retorts to them that to preserve his integrity, he declines, and tells them to win on their own. Team Angle gets pissed, leaves. Cena comes out a couple of minutes after they leave to even bigger heat, and starts rapping or spitting about how he finds Angle's sympathy story pathetic, and that despite Angle's already legendary status, he's a pile of shit in Cena's eyes (brings out Cena's lack of respect, garners him major heat). Cena starts rapping about how Angle is done now, and Cena tells Angle he can and will go through him to get to Brock first. Angle says "prove it" to lead to a brawl. Cena gets the upper hand with the chain, and the FU-DVD. Major heat. Already you have a good feud on your plate. Angle is the veteran face, Cena the rising heel.

 

2. They have a match at Vengeance, after a month and a half of great buildup in which Cena keeps taunting and bothering Angle because he can't stand him, and Angle's frustration builds a bit. At Vengeance, since Angle is still rusty (in terms of the story), Cena wins by cheating (A chain shot, feet on ropes, FU-DVD). Cena's heel status already rises to a true main event heel. Angle says he was screwed out of the match, and regains his edge by beating several mid or upper carders by basically breaking their ankles. Angle now claims he has to beat Cena to prove that he is still the #1 man in the WWE. At Summerslam, after a long 30 minute match, Cena finally taps to the ankle lock, and Angle avoids Cena's heel tactics to come out victorious.

 

It sounds far fetched I know, but it's basic booking in which both guys look good. You guys, especially anglesault, might claim that "Angle lost at Vengeance to a guy who fought Spanky", but marks have short-term memories, for the most part. With this kind of booking, and if they give them free reign, Cena will come out looking like a true superstar, and Angle wil come out truly back on top in the WWE (a test to see where he stands).

[Guest Choken One]

I like that but don't tell AS...

 

They could give the program the entire two hours of Smackdown and his ass will STILL call it a Mid-Card angle.

[Guest Anglesault]

2. They have a match at Vengeance, after a month and a half of great buildup in which Cena keeps taunting and bothering Angle because he can't stand him, and Angle's frustration builds a bit. At Vengeance, since Angle is still rusty (in terms of the story), Cena wins by cheating (A chain shot, feet on ropes, FU-DVD

No. Angle needs to go on a roll. He can't be jobbing to midcarders right off the bat.

 

Cena is simply not ready right now either. Give him six months.