I've heard the new Metallica CD...

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I would much rather hear them writing the music the way they do now than hear a group of 40 year old men trying to write songs the same way they did when they were 17.

There is a definite reason I quoted this line, and this line alone. Because it's pure, 100% BULLSHIT. Why? Because other bands have been playing similar styles for longer than Metallica, and have even more devoted fanbases. Who, you ask? The Misfits and MOTÖRHEAD.

 

Jerry Only is practically a grandfather, and he's still playing the kind of songs he wrote in a garage back when he was in his late teens with a Dutch kid. Lemmy is probably somebody's great-grandfather, and he's still writing the kind of songs that he played when you were getting your ass wiped by your mother.

[Guest Lethargic]

Metallica has, for the past 10 or so years, been doing exactly what Vince McMahon is doing now: saying they care about the fans, when they know they can put out whatever bullshit piece of merchandise or music with their name on it, and it will be a big seller, because they think the fans are dumb enough to buy it.

 

Well, evidently they are.

 

It was because the fanbase wanted the Metallica that released Kill 'Em All, the Metallica that released Ride The Lightning, the Metallica that released Master Of Puppets, the Metallica that released ...And Justice For All, and the Metallica that released The Black Album.

 

The band that released those albums is long gone. They're not coming back. They're new people now. These 40 year old clean cut family men can not recreate the young angry drunks that made those early albums. And if they tried to it'd be a failure.

 

However, everything after The Black Album, including a large portion of St. Anger, is simply NOT METALLICA.

 

It IS Metallica, it's just not the Metallica YOU want. It's just like Star Wars. People don't like the new movies because it's not the movies THEY wanted and what THEY expected. But they don't own the movies. Lucas does and he can do whatever he wants with them. Metallica can do whatever they want on their albums. If the fans don't like it, what can they do about it? You may not be using the words "sell out" but that's exactly what you're saying in a roundabout way and I hate that kind of attitude. The whole "they used to be cool guys you could run into on a street and played music that I liked but now they're rich and famous and play music I don't like" thing. So what? They don't owe you anything. It's the band's career and they should do what they want, not what the fans want. Jump the shark? Before the black album they were a band that only the dirty white trash mutants in the back of the class listened to. After the Black Album they became probably the biggest metal band ever. That's not jumping the shark, that's kicking the shark in it's nuts. When I like a band, I want them to be a success. If that means they change their style a bit, go for it man. Make your money, sell some albums, be a success. Even if I don't like the new album, the old ones are still there and I can still hear them live. Hell, if I had any talent, I'd sell out so fast it'd make your head spin. "Tour with Avril? Yeah right. Wait a minute....how much money???"

 

Jerry Only is practically a grandfather, and he's still playing the kind of songs he wrote in a garage back when he was in his late teens with a Dutch kid.

 

Yeah and the new songs are absolutely horrible, his entire band has quit him, every other show features members of the crowd chanting "The Misfits are dead!" and the only reason he's doing it is because Christ the Conqueror was such a failure that this was the only way he could make money. Thanks for making my point for me. haha

[Guest Dmann2000]

I don't get all this Re-load hate. Any album with "Fuel" "The Memory Remains" "Where the Wild Things Are" and "Low Man's Lyric" can't be all bad.

[Guest Memphis]

I don't get all this Re-load hate. Any album with "Fuel" "The Memory Remains" "Where the Wild Things Are" and "Low Man's Lyric" can't be all bad.

Those songs are fine however the filler in between these songs (don't forget the awesome closer - FiXXXer) is very mediocre. The album has its high points, however it lacks the consistency of Load.

 

Unfriendly Neighbourhood Spider-M

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Well, I haven't been unfortunate wnough to be subjected to the whole thing yet, but I've heard the single a few times, and have had time to digest it. I've come to a conclusion, too.

 

It's Incredibly Bad.

[Guest The Grand Pubah of 1620]

I agree with most people here when they say it's not as good as the first four but is 100 times better then Load or Reload.

 

Plus it was only 10 bucks and you get the cd and a dvd. Plus the little code for the net to download more Metallica music. Pretty sweet, IMO.

[Guest redbaron51]

and no this isn't some nu metal crap.

 

More like the lines of Hatebreed if anything.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

This album reminds me of something Kittie would record, only longer and with a male vocalist.

 

Metallica doesn't owe their fans anything, huh? Excellent mindset. If they think the same way, I hope they are reduced to working at outdoor festivals in public parks for a crowd of middle-aged men and women. To think that they, the band, owe nothing to us, the fans, the ones who buy the albums and the ones that actually give two shits about the band (although our numbers are dwindling heavily), is ludicrous. They owe us their fucking livelihood.

 

If you're an artist making a living on your art, who do you owe? The people that buy your art. And who buys your art? Your fans. I'm a fan. I'll always be a fan...of the older stuff, from back when they knew how to write songs that didn't sound like everybody else's.

 

Anybody remember what James said at the Aerosmith: MTV ICON show? He said that he once wanted to be like Steven Tyler of Aerosmith. My friends, I give you Metallica's Nine Lives, and it is called St. Anger.

[Guest Lethargic]

This album reminds me of something Kittie would record, only longer and with a male vocalist.

Dude, that's just mean. haha

 

Nine Lives went platinum twice. I'm sure Metallica would be very pleased if this were their Nine Lives.

[Guest godthedog]

Metallica doesn't owe their fans anything, huh? Excellent mindset. If they think the same way, I hope they are reduced to working at outdoor festivals in public parks for a crowd of middle-aged men and women. To think that they, the band, owe nothing to us, the fans, the ones who buy the albums and the ones that actually give two shits about the band (although our numbers are dwindling heavily), is ludicrous. They owe us their fucking livelihood.

i'm sorry, but this is complete and utter bullshit. this is what i call playing the KISS card: sacrificing any personal voice, integrity, or evolution in the sad sad quest to "give the people what they want." by your logic, if the fans like an album then a band is obligated to create another album like that one. this destroys any possibility for any kind of change at all. with this mindset, bob dylan never would've plugged in an electric guitar (for which he was practically booed off the stage) and the beatles would've continued on their neverending tour playing the same pop. no 'sgt pepper', no white album, no 'abbey road'. you don't create the art, they do, and when they create art they don't answer to anyone but THEMSELVES. art is supposed to be a PERSONAL statement, and it can't be personal if you think you owe the fans something.

 

If you're an artist making a living on your art, who do you owe? The people that buy your art. And who buys your art? Your fans.

they aren't obligated to create something that you'll like any more than you're obligated to like something they create. they chose to express themselves, you liked it & chose to buy it. you are now a fan. if they continue to express themselves, are you obligated to buy it just because you're a fan? of course not, it's your choice. are they obligated to make something that you'll buy, just because you're a fan? of course not, it's THEIR choice. you may buy the music but you didn't create it: it's still THEIR music, and they can do whatever they please with it. if you don't like it, you're free to bitch about it all you want, but don't go off on some rant about how metallica magically enters this social contract with you once you start liking their music.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Hey, Leth, tell me you didn't think of Kittie ONCE while listening to St. Anger. Or at least Slipknot, or Korn, or whatever nu-metal "ARGH, WE'RE HEAVY SHIT" band you want to think of.

 

godthedog:

I'm not against an artist expanding, or even evolving, artistically. Were it not for this, every Metallica album would have been like Kill 'Em All, which would have been a huge downer. However, I am against an artist practically shitting on their fans with their new material. The masses of Metallica fans have spoken. "Meh" to Load, "Nay" to ReLoad. And what is St. Anger? ReLoad with more distortion and double-bass, complete with lyrics that were seemingly written with Jon Davis hanging with James and Lars. Hell, I really don't even care that they recorded the album.

 

Am I disappointed? Yes, and I'm rather sure most Metallica fans are as well. Why? Because we didn't get what we were told we would get. Dad told us we were having a steak dinner, and our mouths salivated at the thought, and then we were given a cheeseburger. In many reports, in many interviews, and in nearly all of the previews for St. Anger, the album was considered to be more along the lines of ...And Justice For All. As I said before, this is ReLoad with more distortion and with double-bass. ...And Justice For All is not the same kind of music as St. Anger.

 

I can actually sum up my overall feelings on Metallica with a quote my friend Dustin said upon hearing the "St. Anger" single:

I swear, somebody kidnapped Metallica back in 1989, and then replaced them with evil clones of the band.

[Guest DARRYLXWF]

I swear, somebody kidnapped Metallica back in 1989, and then replaced them with evil clones of the band.

 

But hang on...arn't u the guy who loves the LOAD album?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

No, that's me. I love it in a special kind of way.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Yes, DARRYL, I do love Load, and I've also stated (a few times) that it is not a METALLICA album, but rather an album created/released by the members of Metallica. Make any sense?

[Guest caboose]

Anyways...

 

My order for Metallica albums:

 

1 Ride The Lightning

2 Master Of Puppets

3 S & M

4 Kill 'Em All

5 Load

6 ...And Justice For All

7 ReLoad

8 St. Anger

9 The Black Album

10 Garage Inc.

Edited June 12, 2003 by caboose

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I'm listening to it right now. So far it had a slow start, but Invisible Kid and My World are great so far so maybe the album is picking up a little now.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Okay does Kirk Hammett even play on this album? I hear no indications of his guitar playing.

 

And let me throw in that Shoot Me Again has been pretty good. That's a run of 3 good songs in a row on the album as I'm listening to it right now.

[Guest HungryJack]

I dig 'Frantic' a whole bunch, along with Some Kind of Monster, Shoot me Again, and Dirty Window.

 

 

St. Anger also grows on me, but I think I like the radio cut better.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

If it keeps up I'll go ahead and say everything from Some Kind of Monster on is great. The album just had a shaky start.

 

I'll have to see how the rest of the album is. I'm almost done. I'm on track 9 right now.

[Guest Memphis]

Why did they release 'St. Anger' as the debut single? There are TEN other songs on this album that blow that song out of the water.

 

I bought mine just yesterday and have had it going ever since. Very pleasant surprise despite being initially disappointed with Metallica's new music.

 

M

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Well I'm done listening.

 

My Verdict: I like it.

 

It had a shaky start. The first couple of songs were iffy, but everything from Some Kind of Monster on was great. Yeah it suffered from the lack of solos, but Rob's bass playing was pretty nice.

 

I'd rank it better than Reload, but not better than Load. Don't take that the wrong way. I loved Load so this album is still good with me.

 

I give it between thumbs up and thumbs in the middle...thumbs at an upward angle I guess you could say.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

The whole "kill kill kill" thing at the end of the album had be almost in tears I was laughing so hard.

 

I'm sure James did that to be funny and not serious.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Ya know, if Metallica comes out in an interview and says "oh, St. Anger was just a joke about how much music sucks these days," I will instantly love this album.

[Guest Dmann2000]

From what I've been hearing so far of the album, I like it..it's a different groove but I can get into it.

 

Oh and for 9.99 to get a 75 minute album, a full performance DVD and access to an online vault with about 30 or so live tracks that I can DOWNLOAD AND BURN (whoda thunkit), I'd say it was a damn good deal.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

From what I've been hearing so far of the album, I like it..it's a different groove but I can get into it.

 

Oh and for 9.99 to get a 75 minute album, a full performance DVD and access to an online vault with about 30 or so live tracks that I can DOWNLOAD AND BURN (whoda thunkit), I'd say it was a damn good deal.

I know I love it. They have some pretty swank stuff on Metallicavault.com. I downloaded a live version of Low Man's Lyric today.

[Guest Dmann2000]

I love that Aucoustic version of "Four Horsemen", just wish it was longer. Now more than ever I want to see Metallica Unplugged.

[Guest DrTom]

Actually, I think "Invisible Kid" and "My World" are the two weakest songs on the disc. The rest of it's pretty good. After a first listen, I'd give it somewhere around 6/10, maybe 6.5, but I want to listen a couple more times before I really pass judgment. And yes, there will be a review for TSM forthcoming.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I liked both those songs.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Let me also say that it sounds like Lars is playing a large Cow Bell and not drums on some songs.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

Anyway, is this album good for a buy, or should I not bother?

 

It kinda seems like a good use of ten bucks.