Questions About CZW's Past

[Guest ShooterJay]

Porn boxes, videotapes

[Guest gangsteruwa]

You guys know it's useless arguing with Barber right? He's incredibly stubborn and never thinks he's wrong. You can find evidence, but he'll pull something out of his ass to TRY to contradict you. 9/10 it is an opinion, a twist of the truth or "insider reporting." As for this bullshit about backyard wrestling, does it really matter? Do you know how many wrestlers have goofed around in their backyards, basements or somewhere else before getting training and becoming pros?

[PsychoDriver 0]

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[LucharesuFan619 0]

You guys know it's useless arguing with Barber right?  He's incredibly stubborn and never thinks he's wrong.  You can find evidence, but he'll pull something out of his ass to TRY to contradict you.  9/10 it is an opinion, a twist of the truth or "insider reporting."  As for this bullshit about backyard wrestling, does it really matter?  Do you know how many wrestlers have goofed around in their backyards, basements or somewhere else before getting training and becoming pros?

Actually, anybody can argue with me and if they're reasonable and logical, they're going to win the argument. It's those who are too immature to actually argue their points and instead resort to saying crap like that which you just uttered that come off as ignorant.

 

I've stated facts in this thread, have I not? It's not my fault so many must resort to bullsh*t comebacks.

 

"CZW didn't steal any wrestlers from JAPW- Berk, Blade and the Backseats were working for JAPW and CZW simultaneously for quite some time. When Berk got a concussion in a JAPW match, right before he was booked for CZW, Zandig gave the remaining "floating wrestlers" (unsure whether Blade was still with CZW at the time) a choice, him or them, and they chose CZW."

 

False. Berk and Acid were both made in JAPW. I apologize for doing my research, but Fat Frank Iaveia was the only man on Earth willing to give a 16 year old Trent Acid a chance to wrestle in front of a crowd. He wouldn't be where he is without JAPW. Nor would Berk. CZW began the war.

 

You seem to not have done your research. Blade left CZW because Zandig refused to pay for his medical costs that came from the result of an incident at a CZW show called Take One. He didn't leave the company because he was disgruntled.

 

LucharesuFan619 - 1 point

Others - -1 points (note the "-" sign)

 

Oh, and I never said Messiah deserved whwat he got. In fact, had you read my full explanation, you would notice a sentence that addresses that very issue. He didn't deserve to get his thumb cut off; He did - maybe not in the moral world, but in the real world - deserve some type of revenge. That damn sure doesn't mean getting his thumb getting cut off. A lawsuit for character defamation would be more suitable. Of course he didn't deserve what he got. But what he did - under your very own reasoning - he asked for by saying what he did about Black. Under my reasoning (being that Black wasn't involved), it was a coincidence that it happened to Messiah, one of billions and billions of people in this world who happen to have dislike for their boss.

[Guest ShooterJay]

False. Berk and Acid were both made in JAPW. I apologize for doing my research, but Fat Frank Iaveia was the only man on Earth willing to give a 16 year old Trent Acid a chance to wrestle in front of a crowd. He wouldn't be where he is without JAPW. Nor would Berk. CZW began the war.

I don't doubt JAPW is where a lot of CZW wrestlers got their start. But you completely missed my point. All of these wrestlers wrestled for both companies simulataneously at one point. I have taped matches that back this up. Berk stated in an interview that what I said regarding CZW/JAPW relations did in fact happen, regarding his concussion.

[Guest gangsteruwa]

You guys know it's useless arguing with Barber right?  He's incredibly stubborn and never thinks he's wrong.  You can find evidence, but he'll pull something out of his ass to TRY to contradict you.  9/10 it is an opinion, a twist of the truth or "insider reporting."  As for this bullshit about backyard wrestling, does it really matter?  Do you know how many wrestlers have goofed around in their backyards, basements or somewhere else before getting training and becoming pros?

Actually, anybody can argue with me and if they're reasonable and logical, they're going to win the argument. It's those who are too immature to actually argue their points and instead resort to saying crap like that which you just uttered that come off as ignorant.

 

I've stated facts in this thread, have I not? It's not my fault so many must resort to bullsh*t comebacks.

 

Ok, let's look at these "facts." I omitted some because you have already been proven wrong:

 

Why shouldn't Pain leave CZW? The locker room was constantly pissing on him. And why the hell shouldn't Rob Black take him, along with the other two guys? Try not being so blind when it comes to putting over CZW. Yeah, it's OK for Zandig to pay himself, his announcers, and The Messiah to verbally slander and threaten Rob Black, but it's not OK for Rob Black to retaliate by hiring three of their mid to upper midcard guys. Get real...

 

And why shouldn't Rob Black come to XPW? Yeah, it's fine for CZW to come to the ECW Arena and pay Z-Barr, Zandig, and other wrestlers of theirs to verbally piss all over the legacy of the ECW Arena, like they did so many times at COD3, among other shows, by bashing the former talent of the building and calling it the CZW Arena, but it's not OK for XPW to book a date in August that NO OTHER PROMOTION had booked.

 

Zandig paid them to verbally slander Black and XPW? Where did you get this information? I never heard such a thing. Also, Pain was a douchebag, so he deserved every bit of shit he was getting. How can you compare shit talking with taking talent from your rival? As for "the bashing of former talent" I honestly don't remember them bashing any former ECW talent in shoot comments. Even if they did, it's the talent not the ECW legacy. As stated already, the thing at COD3 WAS A STORY LINE!!! I do agree with you on one point. Them calling Viking Hall the CZW Arena is fucking stupid, and I don't think any federation should proclaim Viking Hall as there own besides ECW.

 

- Ric Blade left CZW because Zandig refused to pay for his medical coverage upon him getting injured at a CZW show. "A couple of factual errors in the first paragraph. First of all, at the time, JAPW WAS a direct rival to CZW, a very heated rival- CZW was in Jersey around the time. And Blade, in his quit post, certainly DID put JAPW over and bury CZW." That quote is false. He never shitted on CZW while in JAPW. And CZW began the heat with JAPW by stealing so many of the wrestlers they had grown from teenage wrestling fans into indy wrestlers, i.e. Trent Acid, Nick Berk, Reckless Youth, and so many others.

 

I agree with this statement.

 

- "And Extreme Associates wanted to SHOOT AND STORE PORN IN VIKING HALL. That's defecating on the building, quite literally."

 

Now, you are resorting to straight out lying. That is 100% false and I know that for a fact, seeing as how I've spoken to several current and former EA employees on several occasions.

 

It's been reported on countless sites and the athletic commision as stated previously.

 

And people say I don't know whawt I'm talking about. Funny how I seem to be whipping the asses of ShooterJay, Sandman9000, anbd so many others in this thread who know nothing about CZW.

 

So says the man that while at czwfans.com made constant comments about CZW based soley on clips.

 

Oh, and another thing - to the guy who said that the thing where Z-Barr bashed ECW at COD3 was an angle...DUH. Who cares, though? He defacated on the ECW Arena by saying that it's the CZW Arena before CZW even ran a show there. What followed was - thanks to his and other CZW wrestler and management's disrespect - the whole indy circuit following their lead and naming the arena after themselves before they evne ran a show there.

 

I already stated I agree with you about feds calling Viking Hall (insert fed name) Arena. However, didn't JAPW ran a show there before CZW and they called the arena the JAPW Arena?

 

"So XPW only called the Viking Hall the XPW arena because CZW did?"

 

No, they called it that because CZW, JAPW, MECW, and all of the other promotions that have ran in Viking Hall called it that.

 

This could be true this could be false. The problem is YOU DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.

 

"If someone says something in Heel Character mode, is it true?"

 

Of course not. Is it true that Viking Hall should be called the CZW Arena? Of course not, but that's what Z-Barr said. By your logic, anything anybody says - including Rob Black's shoot comments on ECW - are all false because he said them as a heel. Get real. CZW disrespected the arena.

 

There is a difference betwee a SHOOT comment and a WORKED comment, right?

 

"XPW employees are going to be completely unbiased when talking about being ejected from Viking Hall, they would never lie"

 

No, they wouldn't, considering many weren't with the company anymore, so they have no obligation to lie. I also got the info from some ex-employees who left with heat with the company, and even THEY told me that there were never any such plans. Never was such a thing reported by anybody, either. You're making stuff up.

 

Watch out Barber, that's "insider reporting" you don't want to get sued by someone do you?

 

"If you get trained after backyarding, does it not count?"

 

Ruckus was never trained, even after his backyard days. The training Cash, GQ, and the others you named were minimal. Very minimal. Most of their experience come from backyard matches, as so many people on this board have already pointed out.

 

Someone already stated that Ruckus was trained, so that ends that. I honestly don't know how this one came up. haha.

 

False. Berk and Acid were both made in JAPW. I apologize for doing my research, but Fat Frank Iaveia was the only man on Earth willing to give a 16 year old Trent Acid a chance to wrestle in front of a crowd. He wouldn't be where he is without JAPW. Nor would Berk. CZW began the war.

 

Once again...you don't know that for a fact (that they wouldn't be where they are without JAPW that is), that is just an opinion.

 

You seem to not have done your research. Blade left CZW because Zandig refused to pay for his medical costs that came from the result of an incident at a CZW show called Take One. He didn't leave the company because he was disgruntled.

 

Of course he was disgruntled. He broke some bones. However there is an understanding in wrestling. You pay for your own hospital bills.

 

To end this. Yes, I have no life. Yes, I was bored. No, I don't want to get into a pissing contest. Yes, I am done with replying to this thread even if some of my statements are wrong.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

I'm just curious how filming/storing porno in a bingo hall that's used for wrestling is defecating on the building?

 

Were these videos scat pornos?

 

Or are we using "literally" the same way that Gorilla Monsoon did when buildings were "literally filled to the rafters"?

[Guest Devin]

For those saying that Messiah's thumb being cut off was just a coincidence, and Black had nothing to do with it. Here's a post New Jack made where he flat out says that Black did it, and he was working for XPW at the time.

 

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Gary is the guy that went on America's Most Wanted when Rob Black had Messiahs thumbs cut off and exposed the business saying that the wrestlers were all friends and wrestling was a work and everybody was trying to make a name for themselves. Me and Sabu to offense to it because we had spent 10 years traveling the world and had made names for ourselves. That shows you how much a mark this BITCH really is.

 

Why am I even talking about Gary? Last week someone posted some shit about my health and that I got injured on some message board. It was bullshit, but anyway, Gary called me and wanted to see how I was doing, and he wanted to bury the hatchet, let bygones be bygones and be my friend. My response: When the bitch owed me money, he didn't call, when I was stuck at the airport, he didn't call, when I lost my luggage, he didn't call, when I had no gear to wrestle in, he didn't call, and when I was hunting his family down for my money, he didn't call. Gary Can go fuck himself, and i hope his kids get ran over by a "short" schoolus at the bus stop.

 

New Jack

 

PS: If Gary tries to run a show, anybody who works for him should be taken out into a field and shot

 

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Sorry, but I'm going to believe a guy who was in the company at the time, over people posting on a message board about it. To read the whole post from New Jack: http://www.socaluncensored.com/board/showt...3?threadid=3486

[LucharesuFan619 0]

^MOST IGNORANT POST EVER^

 

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA! LAUGHIN MY FUCKIN ASS OFF! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're going to believe NEW JACK? Oh my God...HAHAHA! New Jack has lied so many times and has shot on every promoter he's ever worked for. The only reason he said that about Black is because he now works for TNA, a direct rival of XPW. You must be joking, man.

 

LMAO.

 

Because we all know New Jack's word is the gospel, right?

[Guest Nevermortal]

I was under the impression that you have to actually EXIST to have a rival. As we all know, XPW does not exist.

[Guest Joe_G]

How is TNA a "direct rival" of XPW?

 

TNA only runs shows in Nashville. XPW runs (ran?) in California and Philly. Do they go head to head on television? Have there been any talent raids? Seems to me like the two groups are a million miles apart.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

How is TNA a "direct rival" of XPW?

 

TNA only runs shows in Nashville. XPW runs (ran?) in California and Philly. Do they go head to head on television? Have there been any talent raids? Seems to me like the two groups are a million miles apart.

" I was under the impression that you have to actually EXIST to have a rival. As we all know, XPW does not exist."

 

Ignorance.

 

TNA and XPW both put out similar products and use the same wrestlers (Siaki, Malice, Raven, Lynn, Dinero, Credible, Douglas, etc.). They're not direct rivals, I'll take that back. They are sort of rivals, though. You're right in that they don't go head to head or anything, but they use the same wrestlers and have had problems with each other in terms of double bookings (as Sonny Siaki pointed out on his message board several months ago).

 

The point is that New Jack is anything but reliable. To take his word for granted is laughable.

[Guest Zack Malibu]

Barber, I'm a FAN of XPW to an extent, and even I have to say that no way, no how, can they be considered direct rivals to TNA. As far as the talent in XPW goes, funny how Lynn, Siaki, etc. started showing up AFTER they had established a presence in TNA. My guess would be it was some sort of working arrangement with Douglas in return for getting him in (since he was courted by TNA way back when). If anything, TNA was lending the helping hand to XPW by doing so.

 

And with Douglas obviously in a main role on TNA now, that could just be the final nail in the coffin. Hell, when you piss away your best homegrown talent (Kaos), it's time to pack it in.

[Guest Nevermortal]

" I was under the impression that you have to actually EXIST to have a rival. As we all know, XPW does not exist."

 

Ignorance.

Ignorance, eh? XPW is dead. They haven't ran a show in months. Rob Black is being investigated by the government. They've lost their home base on the East Coast. Douglas is in TNA now.

 

How much more evidence do you need?

 

XPW IS DEAD.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

" I was under the impression that you have to actually EXIST to have a rival. As we all know, XPW does not exist."

 

Ignorance.

Ignorance, eh? XPW is dead. They haven't ran a show in months. Rob Black is being investigated by the government. They've lost their home base on the East Coast. Douglas is in TNA now.

 

How much more evidence do you need?

 

XPW IS DEAD.

I'll say it again...

 

"We have a situation here where somebody is running their mouth about a topic that they have no knowledge about."

 

- Vince McMahon, to Bob Costas.

 

XPW is far from dead. You're talking out of your ass.

[Guest Nevermortal]

" I was under the impression that you have to actually EXIST to have a rival. As we all know, XPW does not exist."

 

Ignorance.

Ignorance, eh? XPW is dead. They haven't ran a show in months. Rob Black is being investigated by the government. They've lost their home base on the East Coast. Douglas is in TNA now.

 

How much more evidence do you need?

 

XPW IS DEAD.

I'll say it again...

 

"We have a situation here where somebody is running their mouth about a topic that they have no knowledge about."

 

- Vince McMahon, to Bob Costas.

 

XPW is far from dead. You're talking out of your ass.

I'll say what everyone has been saying for months now.

 

No one takes you seriously. Kill yourself.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

" I was under the impression that you have to actually EXIST to have a rival. As we all know, XPW does not exist."

 

Ignorance.

Ignorance, eh? XPW is dead. They haven't ran a show in months. Rob Black is being investigated by the government. They've lost their home base on the East Coast. Douglas is in TNA now.

 

How much more evidence do you need?

 

XPW IS DEAD.

I'll say it again...

 

"We have a situation here where somebody is running their mouth about a topic that they have no knowledge about."

 

- Vince McMahon, to Bob Costas.

 

XPW is far from dead. You're talking out of your ass.

I'll say what everyone has been saying for months now.

 

No one takes you seriously. Kill yourself.

It's funny how - you a guy who talks out of his ass so often - think that you're actually respected on this board. It's really hilarious, man. Unfortunately, you're too naive to understand the whole joke.

[Guest Sandman9000]

Nevermortal is more liked then you, Barber.

 

And this is a CZW related thread. Take the XPW bitching elsewhere.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Nevermortal is more liked then you, Barber.

 

And this is a CZW related thread. Take the XPW bitching elsewhere.

More liked than me? HAHAHAHA!!! PLEASE...

 

And you started the XPW talk in this thread. I apologize on your part for your own ignorance. Please accept my apologies.

 

And stop blindly bashing XPW while you're at it.

 

Hypocrite.

 

WINNER: Me.

LOSERS: Sandman9000 and Nevermortal.

[Guest ulfistgut]

I'd love to live in Jonathan Barber's world.

 

We sometimes forget that having a realistic view of the world isn't always best.

 

Wouldn't you like to think you were always right and won every argument. Do you have imaginary friends as well Barber?

 

You were so right you had to point out that you were the winner and they were the losers.

 

More liked than me? HAHAHAHA!!! PLEASE...

I've taken drastic measures (in place of drastic read pathetic) to inject a reality check to JB's world. http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...ST&f=29&t=34585

[Guest Sandman9000]

Nevermortal is more liked then you, Barber.

 

And this is a CZW related thread.  Take the XPW bitching elsewhere.

More liked than me? HAHAHAHA!!! PLEASE...

 

And you started the XPW talk in this thread. I apologize on your part for your own ignorance. Please accept my apologies.

 

And stop blindly bashing XPW while you're at it.

 

Hypocrite.

 

WINNER: Me.

LOSERS: Sandman9000 and Nevermortal.

Nevermortal is more liked then you Barber. And with your reputation, I can't imagine finding too many people who are liked less then you.

 

As for XPW, this is the FIRST time in this thread I've mentioned those initials. So I fail to see how I started the XPW talk in this thread.

 

As for bashing XPW, I'll be the first person to admit I've done that in the past. However, I've gotten out of that habit. No sense in beating a dead horse with a stick.

 

But, by all means Barber, don't let reality hinder your imagination from telling you what to believe.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Nevermortal is more liked then you, Barber.

 

And this is a CZW related thread.  Take the XPW bitching elsewhere.

More liked than me? HAHAHAHA!!! PLEASE...

 

And you started the XPW talk in this thread. I apologize on your part for your own ignorance. Please accept my apologies.

 

And stop blindly bashing XPW while you're at it.

 

Hypocrite.

 

WINNER: Me.

LOSERS: Sandman9000 and Nevermortal.

Nevermortal is more liked then you Barber. And with your reputation, I can't imagine finding too many people who are liked less then you.

 

As for XPW, this is the FIRST time in this thread I've mentioned those initials. So I fail to see how I started the XPW talk in this thread.

 

As for bashing XPW, I'll be the first person to admit I've done that in the past. However, I've gotten out of that habit. No sense in beating a dead horse with a stick.

 

But, by all means Barber, don't let reality hinder your imagination from telling you what to believe.

Man, when you have to waste your time making a poll like that, you KNOW you're a loser.

 

LMFAO at how you waste your time, UBLISTBSGSE or whatever in the hell you're name is.

 

Sandman9000, you're a hypocrite, but not only that, your memory only remembers things that you want to remember.

 

You irrationally bashed Rob Black in your first post in this thread. Did you forget that already?

 

Do you realize that you're saying everything to me that would actually relate to me? You talk about "beating a dead horse" and yet go around continuing the talk about a business move that occurred more than half a year ago? Think.

 

[Guest ulfistgut]

Barbie, for those of us who turning blue isn't the response to many questions a poll like that takes mere seconds to produce. Those few seconds amount to a small feeling of satisfaction, which I feel is a good trade off.

 

My name is Ulf Ist Gut, it's a phrase in German but we can't expect you to know that mon ami (that would be another foreign language, but we won't overburden you by giving it a name).

 

Anyway, I bid this thread adieu. An innocent question about events in CZW's past has evolved into a flame war. I cannot place myself in the innocent party (and it serves me right for rising to the baits of a troll) but I feel ending my participation in this thread will allow it to die a graceful death. Interpret that how you will Barbie.

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Barbie, for those of us who turning blue isn't the response to many questions a poll like that takes mere seconds to produce. Those few seconds amount to a small feeling of satisfaction, which I feel is a good trade off.

 

My name is Ulf Ist Gut, it's a phrase in German but we can't expect you to know that mon ami (that would be another foreign language, but we won't overburden you by giving it a name).

 

Anyway, I bid this thread adieu. An innocent question about events in CZW's past has evolved into a flame war. I cannot place myself in the innocent party (and it serves me right for rising to the baits of a troll) but I feel ending my participation in this thread will allow it to die a graceful death. Interpret that how you will Barbie.

You're not in the innocent party here? That'd be an understatement, seeing as how you just took an unwarranted cheap shot towards me by calling me "Barbie."

 

Why don't you do the mature thing and not resort to such things and just end the crap, like I've done so many times already, only to get bashed again?

 

It reveals your immaturity.