Comic Book Villain Tournament

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

As I said when I started the heroes tourney, I would do a villains one when that wrapped up. In pulling names from the original nominations thread, I have the following names to start:

 

Magneto

Apocalypse

Joker

Green Goblin

Venom

Red Skull

Lex Luthor

Violator

Ultron

Two-Face

Kingpin

Galactus

Thanos

Dr. Doom

Sabertooth

Mystique

Toad

Doctor Octopus

Bullseye

Carnage

Riddler

Bane

Ozymandias

Gorilla Grodd

Darkseid

badass evil Sub-Mariner

Mr. Sinister

Juggernaut

Saint of Killers

The Lizard

Solomon Grundy

Loki

Doomsday

 

That's 33, so we need 31 more. Consider this not only a nominations thread, but a discussion thread as well. You can just toss up names if you wish, but making arguments on who you think should and shouldn't be included will way most heavy if we wind up with more than 64 names mentioned. I'll probably form the tournament and post the first round sometime in the middle of this coming week, so get those suggestions rolling in.

 

EDIT: Added new names

Starr (Preacher)

Posion Ivy

Bizzaro Superman

Electro

Catwoman

Harley Quinn

Ra's Al Ghul

The Parasite

The Sentinels

Sinestro

Vandal Savage

Professor Zoom, The Reverse Flash

The Penguin

General Zod

The Scarecrow

The Dark Phoenix

Brainiac

Holocaust

Mephisto

Omega Red

Mr. Freeze

The Blob

Parallex

Extant/Monarch

Anti-Monitor

Scarecrow

Sandman (Marvel)

Baron Zemo

Arnim Zola

Baron Mordu

Felix Faust

The Mist

The Shade

Count Vertigo

Amazo

Dracula

Deacon Frost

Hobgoblin

Demogoblin

Abomination

Bastion

Black Tom Cassidy

Kang

Molecule Man

Leader

The Brood

Grim Reaper

Puppet Master

Super Skrull

Typhoid Mary

Edited June 9, 2003 by WrestlingDeacon

[Guest DawnBTVS]

Harley Quinn : The gal who's head over heels in love with Joker. A "lackey" if you will of Joker's, is capable of killing although hasn't shown it(Closest was almost killing Batman in "Mad Love"). Has also teamed up with Poison Ivy on numerous occasions to cause mayhem. Now leads her own group known as the Quinntets.

 

Catwoman: More of a tweener role, however she was plotting to steal Gotham whilst using blackmail to become Corporate VP of Randolf Industries then became CEO and was running for Mayor till she was foiled by Trickster.

 

I'll add more later if I feel up to it and add comments to my selections above if necessary

Edited June 9, 2003 by DawnBTVS

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

You better explain Gambit, because he is mostly widely considered a hero and was included in that tournament. At this time, I say he doesn't make the cut as a villain, even those villains who turned hero and vice versa are fine, but you really need to argue those names.

[Guest DawnBTVS]

You better explain Gambit, because he is mostly widely considered a hero and was included in that tournament. At this time, I say he doesn't make the cut as a villain, even those villains who turned hero and vice versa are fine, but you really need to argue those names.

Sorry, my mind was fuzzy on the Gambit selection as I had forgotten he first joined up with the X-Men in the comic world. I've been on an X-Men: Evolution binge where he was associated with Magneto/Mystique thus my inclusion.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

Is Elektra a villian?

 

Starr (Preacher)

 

Posion Ivy

 

Bizzaro Superman (fuck yes)

 

Ras Ghul or however the hell you say it

 

Deadpool?

 

Electro

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

Deadpool and Elektra are iffy, because both have had hero runs, but they're tweeners at best. I'd say I'd toss them in, but they'd be among the first cuts without arguments to back them up.

[Guest DawnBTVS]

Deadpool and Elektra are iffy, because both have had hero runs, but they're tweeners at best. I'd say I'd toss them in, but they'd be among the first cuts without arguments to back them up.

Are you gonna edit in the new ones mentioned or just wait until you have 31 others?

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

i was going to wait until i had some more posted, then see what the list looked like and ask about what cuts should be made if any, but i think it might be a good idea to add them in now, so I'll do that, thanks.

[Guest JMA]

Doomsday shouldn't be on the list. He's a terrible villain. He's totally uninspired, IMO. He was just created to kill Superman. I'd like to DE-nominate Doomsday.

[Guest JMA]

Here are some I'd add:

 

The Parasite

The Sentinels

Sinestro

Vandal Savage

Professor Zoom, The Reverse Flash (yes, that's his full name)

The Penguin

General Zod

The Scarecrow

The Dark Phoenix

 

Edit:

 

Brainiac

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Holocaust from AoA and Mephisto.

 

And, I'd like to denominate Galactus since he's not a true villian like the others.

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

Omega Red & Mr. Freeze.

[Patty O'Green 0]

I was going to nominate Blob if we were short on nominees, but it looks like we've got enough people.

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

Well we only got 54, so the Blob gets in. And that doesn't mean that there won't be some debate and selection by me if we get over 64. I probably won't have time to draw up the tourney until Wednesday. So this thread will be open until then and feel free to throw out any name that crosses your mind. We'll weed out the bad ones.

[Bored 0]

Here are 10 I don't see on the list to complete it. They are all Marvel villains though:

 

Bastion

Black Tom Cassidy

Kang

Molecule Man

Leader

The Brood

Grim Reaper

Puppet Master

Super Skrull

Typhoid Mary

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

Hmmm. I was going to nominate Abomination from The Hulk, but it looks like we may have our 64 for now.

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

The list now stands at 83, including some I added a little while ago. Feel free to debate on who shouldn't be on the list and even mention more names if you wish. If I don't get some good arguments out of people, I'll make the cuts myself. First round should be up sometime this Tuesday night or Wendesday morning.

[Guest starvenger]

Deadpool and Elektra are iffy, because both have had hero runs, but they're tweeners at best. I'd say I'd toss them in, but they'd be among the first cuts without arguments to back them up.

I'd agree with tossing them out. At this point in time, they're associated more with being faces than heels, so while they HAVE been villains in the past, you'd think of them more as heroes.

 

I'd say no to Puppet Master. He's a pretty good FF villain, but his story doesn't just run towards him simply being a villain. The whole substory with Alicia being his stepdaughter adds a whole new dimension to the character which doesn't quite make him a villain.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I'm still all for tossing Galactus out of the tournament since he's not a villian, but more of a force of nature.

[Guest starvenger]

I'm still all for tossing Galactus out of the tournament since he's not a villian, but more of a force of nature.

Yeah, I'll second that...

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

ok, that's two, Galactus is toast unless someone wants to launch a really convincing campaign to get him back on.

[Guest raptor]

I'm for Juggernaut being tossed for the following reasons:

 

1) He's an X-Man now

2) While a great character, he was a bumbling and kind of useless villain.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

I'd take out Blob and Doomsday cause they are some totally lame-ass villains.

 

And I'd like to let everyone know I am prepared to defend Solomon Grundy and Bizzaro Superman to the death.

[Guest DawnBTVS]

And I'd like to let everyone know I am prepared to defend Solomon Grundy and Bizzaro Superman to the death.

Likewise when it comes to Harley

 

I'll second the tossage of Blob

[Guest starvenger]

And I'd like to let everyone know I am prepared to defend Solomon Grundy and Bizzaro Superman to the death.

To be honest, I don't know much about Grundy outside of "Superman's Song" and Superfriends, so can you enlighten me?

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

Just so you guys know, by kicking out guys like Doomsday and Galactus, albeit with good reasons, you're letting lesser characters get in. Right now I'm down to a pool of 3rd rate Marvel villains who haven't made the cut. So when you see Black Tom Cassidy and Deacon Frost in the tourney, there better be no bitching.

 

Tell, me who better damn well be in of the lower tier guys?

[Guest DawnBTVS]

Are Scarecrow and The Scarecrow the same person? If so, there's an error since Scarecrow's listed twice

[Guest WrestlingDeacon]

yeah, I caught the Scarecrow error when I was drawing up my preliminary brackets. I believe Marvel does have a Scarecrow character as well, but let's just ignore that. Thanks, though.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Keep Doomsday. If Bane gets to stay, Doomsday sure as hell better get a spot.

 

The Shade? Get rid of him. He's a d-level baddie at best.

[Guest raptor]

Keep Doomsday. If Bane gets to stay, Doomsday sure as hell better get a spot.

 

The Shade? Get rid of him. He's a d-level baddie at best.

Isn't he more of a hero now anyways?

 

Oh, and I think that Doomsday needs to go in. Lame or not, he's still one of the most recognizable villains. He killed Superman for fuck's sake.

 

Galactus should go in over Black Tom, even if his villainy is a little wishy-washy. Deacon Frost however, should be in if we're going by movies too.