How often do...

[Guest Mole]

You hear about men raping women all the time. However, how often to women rape men? I've never read in the paper or saw on the news about it, so how often does it happen?

 

Whoever gets raped, I believe that rape is the worst crime in the world.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I doubt there are many cases of it that arn't statutory rape, i.e. some older women seduces an underaged boy who later spills the beans. It seems that it would be difficult for a woman to forcibly rape a man, at least if the man was conscious.

 

Whoever gets raped, I believe that rape is the worst crime in the world.

 

I always hear people say this, and I still find it to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Regardless of how bad raping someone might be, it doesn't even compare to killing them.

[Guest Mole]

I've thought about that before, and murder is horrible, don't get me wrong. However, when someone gets raped they are scarred for life.

 

Once a person is raped, they are screwed up for the rest of their life. Sex can never be the same for them, it's very hard for them to trust people in a relationship again, and it just plain old sucks.

[Guest Vyce]

I always hear people say this, and I still find it to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Regardless of how bad raping someone might be, it doesn't even compare to killing them.

You're right. On several levels, it's much WORSE.

 

I personally feel that rape should be a capital offense.

[Guest The Metal Maniac]

Considering that the guy kinda has to have a boner before sex can occur, I'd think that if a guy didn't want sex, he wouldn't have it.

 

Unless, of course, he was either drugged by viagra, or held at gunpoint or something.

[Guest bob_barron]

That brings up a legal question-

 

If a guy has an erection but doesn't consent to the sex that he has with a woman- is it rape?

[Guest Mole]

Considering that the guy kinda has to have a boner before sex can occur, I'd think that if a guy didn't want sex, he wouldn't have it.

 

Unless, of course, he was either drugged by viagra, or held at gunpoint or something.

I know this guy who was really drunk and did a line of Viagra. He passed out, then woke up an hour later with a girl riding his cock. So, right there it could of been rape, but he was game with it.

 

If a guy has an erection but doesn't consent to the sex that he has with a woman- is it rape?

Yeah

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"You hear about men raping women all the time. However, how often to women rape men? I've never read in the paper or saw on the news about it, so how often does it happen?"

 

My guess is 10 percent or less.

 

"If a guy has an erection but doesn't consent to the sex that he has with a woman- is it rape?"

 

No means no, gals...

[Guest JMA]

I've heard of mothers raping their sons. I personally feel that murder is the worst crime in the world. Call me a traditionalist if you like, but that's how I feel.

[Garth 0]

I read a book on law not so long ago and in it it said something along the lines of women cannot be convicted of rape only sexual assualt. That kinda sucks.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I'm sorry, but I feel the whole idea of women raping men to be silly. I know, in my estimation, and by the views of every single man I have ever spoken to or known..that men don't get raped, they get lucky.

[Guest Ghettoman]

More than they'd like you to know.

 

The difference is "men are sex hungry maniacs and women are sensitive things of beauty", so when they use that logic, and often do, you end up with consensual sex.

 

And the boner point, a mans penis gets ready for sex well before his mind does. To say because a guy had a boner it was consensual is like saying because a women said "sex is cool" its ok to rape her.

[Guest Vyce]

I'm sorry, but I feel the whole idea of women raping men to be silly. I know, in my estimation, and by the views of every single man I have ever spoken to or known..that men don't get raped, they get lucky.

If you study the law, you'll discover that there's far more to rape than just forcing yourself on someone. It's force OR the threat of force, and the scope of what represents non-consensual sex has been widened to include factual situations which maybe some of you aren't considering.

 

Just because someone has an erection doesn't mean it's consensual. Your body reacts in certain ways to stimulation. It doesn't mean that it isn't necessarily rape.

[Guest Mole]

I read a book on law not so long ago and in it it said something along the lines of women cannot be convicted of rape only sexual assualt. That kinda sucks.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

A man can get an erection by a women touching him, he doesn't make himself get hard. I am sure all of us didn't want to have an erection, but it still pops out.

[Garth 0]

I read a book on law not so long ago and in it it said something along the lines of women cannot be convicted of rape only sexual assualt. That kinda sucks.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

A man can get an erection by a women touching him, he doesn't make himself get hard. I am sure all of us didn't want to have an erection, but it still pops out.

But hey thats the law, it is dumb.

 

I'll atest to the whole not wanting an erection thing, that can be a real bugger.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I read a book on law not so long ago and in it it said something along the lines of women cannot be convicted of rape only sexual assualt. That kinda sucks.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

A man can get an erection by a women touching him, he doesn't make himself get hard. I am sure all of us didn't want to have an erection, but it still pops out.

If you're popping wood during, say, a physical -- you have major issues.

-=Mike

[Guest Lemon Drop Kid]

I read a book on law not so long ago and in it it said something along the lines of women cannot be convicted of rape only sexual assualt. That kinda sucks.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

A man can get an erection by a women touching him, he doesn't make himself get hard. I am sure all of us didn't want to have an erection, but it still pops out.

If you're popping wood during, say, a physical -- you have major issues.

-=Mike

Why do you have to have issues? You don't even have to be horny to have a boner. I've gotten boners in church before and I wasn't horny.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Yeah, you just wanted to cum all ye faithful...

 

 

 

 

 

...yes, awful, awful, I know...

[Guest Ripper]

I doubt there are many cases of it that arn't statutory rape, i.e. some older women seduces an underaged boy who later spills the beans. It seems that it would be difficult for a woman to forcibly rape a man, at least if the man was conscious.

 

Whoever gets raped, I believe that rape is the worst crime in the world.

 

I always hear people say this, and I still find it to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Regardless of how bad raping someone might be, it doesn't even compare to killing them.

Sooo, killing someone (ie: the never will feel the pain again) is worse than someone having to live with it forever?

 

Sorry but raping someone is far worse than killing them. Rape is like giving someone a slow death and scars that will possibly never heal. Yeah, on the other hand you're dead...but you're dead. You don't have to live with what happened.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Bullshit. Women aren't fragile little flowers who can't live without their oh-so-precious honour. Killing someone is FAR worse than raping her. Without exception, every woman I've asked would rather be raped than fucking killed. And so would I. HMW is absolutely right.

But this isn't really about women, is it? It's about men's stupid patriarchal shit. Death before dishonour and all that crap. Guess what, rape doesn't make the victim a criminal, or "dishonoured," or unclean, or an embarrassment in any way. It makes her a victim of the unconscionable crime of torture. Nothing more and nothing less.

In that way, yes, rape can be worse than murder, but only for the RAPIST, not for the victim. It has the POTENTIAL to be more damning FOR THE CRIMINAL than any act of murder, but that's hardly the case 100% of the time. And it's never the case for the victim.

 

Sooo, killing someone (ie: the never will feel the pain again) is worse than someone having to live with it forever?

I can't even begin to say how disgusting I find this one sentence. (And Mole's original two posts, of course, but that's a given.) What about the friends and family of the murder victim? You think they'd rather have her DEAD than alive and hurt? There are millions of women in the world who were raped five years ago or more. Some of them keep it secret because of society's cruel idiocies, yes, but many have families, husbands, wives, children who know about their suffering, who've helped them heal, who've given them something to live for. What the fuck do you want to do with them, put them in front of a firing squad? At least they won't feel the pain anymore, right? And at least it'll make you feel better because they've already been subjected to a fate worse than death. It's just euthanasia because they're damaged goods, yeah that's the ticket.

 

Jesus. Unfuckingbelievably stupid shit.

 

 

 

Since it was Mole who started this crap I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Edited June 9, 2003 by Cancer Marney

[Guest Ripper]

How fucking sexist is that to say assume I only mean women being raped. There is a WHOLE prison system where there are WHOLE groups of men getting raped right now. I said nothing about some fragile flower or any of that crap that you assumed would be attributed to my post.

 

Now, what is the worse crime, torture and letting the person live or just shooting them. Sure family friends, all that you took into consideration, but I mean for the person. Would you rather be tourtured or just killed? Rape can be a form of torture. Want to check out the sucide rate of rape victims? It is hard for alot of people to live after that because they feel that a part of them have been taken...

 

To see things a different way is one thing but to completely rewrite what I said into some blathering bullshit so that it could support you half a page long diatribe is ridiculous. If you don't have something to argue about in the statement, you just make up a whole lot of it so you have something to bitch about. Maybe I should edit my first post to include have of that tripe you wrote so that you could be justified. I said NOTHING of death before dishonor, I said nothing about viewing women(or men) that have been raped as unclean and I diffinately said nothing about damaged goods. People (suprisingly) react to things differently in life. It is very close minded to say that it is stupid to call rape the worst thing to do to someone, just as it would be close minded for me to tell you that its stupid for not agreeing with me. But you just like to think that all men think with thier dicks and they should be cut off and our opinions don't really matter....wait...you never said that...but making up shit is SOOO fun.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

How fucking sexist is that to say assume I only mean women being raped.

Women get raped far more often than men. Men account for less than 5% of reported sexual assaults of any kind. Yes, rape is endemic in the prison system, and yes, that's a bad thing. In any case, you proved everything you claim I assumed about your post with this line:

It is hard for alot of people to live after that because they feel that a part of them have been taken

This speaks directly to your personal prejudice against rape victims. If they feel like that (and I'm not saying some don't), or more importantly, if they're made to feel like that, they are wrong. Not in some "values are relative and my values say you're wrong but your values may say you're right" way, they're just plain wrong. Being raped doesn't take away anything more than you allow it to.

 

Rape can be a form of torture.

Thank you, I was the first person in this thread to say that explicitly. I can make my points myself, so kindly refrain from trying to make them for me, especially in such a wishy-washy way. Torture is defined as the infliction of unbearable suffering on another living being in order to coerce, punish, or derive sadistic pleasure. Rape IS torture.

 

Want to check out the sucide rate of rape victims?

Suicide attempt rates vary, but average between 5 and 13 times more likely for rape victims in comparable circumstances (ie economic, educational, family support, &c). It's still only about a 20 to 35% rate overall. And it's irrelevant. Whether or not they consider killing themselves later says nothing, nada, zip about whether they'd be better off dead.

 

It is very close minded to say that it is stupid to call rape the worst thing to do to someone

No. It's the right thing to say.

 

You and those like you have dehumanised others to the point where we see people who have committed no crime as the walking dead. And they aren't. They are people. They've done nothing wrong. They should be helped, not treated like something monstrous. The patriarchy sees it as an insult to its honour, and call rape a fate worse than death; the feminists see it as a proof of men's evil, and call those who haven't been raped yet "potential victims." Lock and key fit. Both sides are despicable. Rapists can be worse than murderers, but an innocent living person is preferable to an innocent dead person.

 

Always.

 

you just like to think that all men think with thier dicks and they should be cut off and our opinions don't really matter....wait...you never said that...but making up shit is SOOO fun.

I didn't? An error of omission only. Sorry.

 

Men think with their dicks and their dicks should be cut off. Their opinions don't matter at all.

 

Better?

[Guest Ripper]

In any case, you proved everything you claim I assumed about your post with this line:

This speaks directly of your personal prejudice against rape victims. If they feel like that (and I'm not saying some don't), or more importantly, if they're madeto feel like that, they are wrong. Not in some "values are relative and my values say you're wrong but your values may say you're right" way, they're just plain wrong. Being raped doesn't take away anything more than you allow it to.

 

You are absolutley correct, they are wrong. But how that statement speaks to my "prejudice" of rape victims is beyond me. The goal of helping rape victims is to let them know that nothing has been taken from them and that it wasn't their fault IF they are feeling that way(which some of the victims often do). But just because they shouldn't feel that way doesn't mean that they don't. It happens.

 

"QUOTE

Rape can be a form of torture.

 

Thank you, I was the first person in this thread to say that explicitly. I can make my points myself, so kindly refrain from trying to make them for me, especially in such a wishy-washy way. Torture is defined as the infliction of unbearable suffering on another living being in order to coerce, punish, or derive sadistic pleasure. Rape IS torture."

 

Well woopty fucking do, we said the same thing. Any reason to blast me for it? You know, I used a period at the end of my sentence...would you please refrain from using this form of punctuation that I used before you...

 

BTW, the point of the "rape is torture" thing was to say that SOME would chose death over torture...not me personally but some would, so to say it is asinine for someone to consider this form of torture the worst you thing you could do to a person is not far-fetched.

 

 

Want to check out the sucide rate of rape victims?

"Suicide attempt rates vary, but average between 5 and 13 times more likely for rape victims in comparable circumstances (ie economic, educational, family support, &c). It's still only about a 20 to 35% rate overall. And it's irrelevant. Whether or not they consider killing themselves later says nothing, nada, zip about whether they'd be better off dead."

 

I NEVER said that rape victims would be better off dead. NEVER. But to say that it is stupid to say people would chose death over living with the emotional pain(no matter how bad of a decision that is) is not only a viable opinion but is backed up by fact that some people DO chose death.

 

"You and those like you have dehumanised others to the point where we see people who have committed no crime as the walking dead. And they aren't. They are people. They've done nothing wrong. They should be helped, not treated like something monstrous."

 

Once again you make statements, attach them to me and then attack me for statements that I never made. Did I ever say ANYTHING remotely close to this? Overall, when looking at family and friends and those around them, the pain of murder is greater than the pain of death. But the question wasn't was rape the worst thing you could do to a persons family, it was to the person. How a person deals with rape is unpredictable. Alot won't see it as their fault and will with support will heal the wounds and some will not. I have heard the words come out of a rape victims mouth that she would have rather him killed her right then and there. Once again, this is a totallly wrong way to look at it, but that didn't stop her from feeling it. And plenty more men and women feel it(In a large number of prison sucides, mediacal examinations reviel that the victims were recently raped so men get included here too).

 

Are rape vitims "walking dead"...no. Do some of them feel this was...yes.

 

I still believe that out of all of the common place crimes, that rape is the worst thing you could do to a person when the long term effects are taken into consideration(sure there are some really bad things you could do to people, but I will just stick to common place crimes). I feel that prosecution in rape should be treated the same as murder like they do in Louisiana. And rather you agree or disagree, I feel that I have some justification in thinking so.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I disagree entirely.

 

It should be treated as aggravated murder. As a crime, it inevitably has worse effects on the criminal than a plain vanilla homicide. It ineluctably involves the reduction of another human being to an object, which practically guarantees recidivism. Rapists aren't more dangerous to society than murderers in terms of the quality of harm they inflict, but they are orders of magnitude more dangerous in terms of the quantity.

 

As for everything else you said, well, if you'd taken the time to put it in those precise terms earlier, much of this thread could have been left unwritten. I find little to argue with there.

[Guest Ripper]

Life would be so much easier if I had one of those things that would type what I say...I could get points across so much better and my laziness would not be a factor.

[Guest Anorak]

This reminds me of a conversation two friends of mine had once......

 

"Careful you don't get raped by a bunch of skinheads on the way home"

 

"Yeah, but they might be FEMALE skinheads!"

 

Honestly, you had to be there.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

The reason you don't hear about cases of women raping men that often is because what man would want anyone to know a woman raped him?

 

A lot of men would be to proud to let anyone know such a thing happened.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

"Careful you don't get raped by a bunch of skinheads on the way home"

 

"Yeah, but they might be FEMALE skinheads!"

 

Brilliant.

[Guest J*ingus]

Honestly, I do know one really messed up young woman who said she wished her attackers had killed her instead of raping her, but I'm pretty sure she's in a minority of herself on that opinion, as I've known quite a few rape victims and none of the others have stated anything of the kind.

 

And sure a woman could rape a man. Just think about broom handles, beer bottles, or anything else long and cylindrical, and you'll get the picture.

[Guest Harry Hood]

I did a report on Date Rape two years ago. It is very possible for a woman to rape a man, all it takes is no consent. Let's say a woman says she'll tell the guys friends that he's gay if he doesn't go with her. Rape, my friends. It all comes down to societal boundaries. Society dictates that guys are supopsed to be sex-at-all-costs anytime anywhere types, so much so that if he says no, he could very likely be ostracized and publically humiliated. It prob. happens more than we think too, becasue what man would want to welcome that stigma into their life. I'm not even touching anal-rape becuase that needs no sort of explanation.

 

I don't really think that murder is a worse crime but they are comparable. The only problem is the afforementioned Date Rape. One out of every 4 woman are raped at one time int heir life, so you really think that it's a thin line