Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted June 10, 2003 CORONA, Calif. -- Police say a nasty spat at a restaurant between a family and a waiter turned even nastier when the peeved worker served up a dose of revenge -- at their home. The Keller family woke early Saturday to find their home and mailbox saturated with smashed eggs and maple syrup, while their yard was decorated with toilet paper, duct tape and plastic wrap. Their former waiter at a Sizzler restaurant in Norco was blamed. The bad blood began Friday night when Wayne Keller, 37 and his wife, Darlene, 40, went to dinner with Darlene's parents. Darlene requested vegetables with her meal but the waiter responded that only potatoes were available, Wayne Keller said. "When I told him my wife can't eat potatoes, he brought back a really small salad, practically threw it at her, and told her to go get the dressing herself," he said. Wayne Keller asked to speak to a manager, who then cooked some broccoli and cauliflower for Keller's wife. Wayne Keller did not leave a tip, but his wife and in-laws did. The Kellers returned home and went to bed. At 1 a.m. Saturday, the doorbell rang and they saw the damage done to their home. Police were called and several people loitering nearby were nabbed. "I can't explain how I felt," said Darlene Keller. "I just said, 'Oh, my God! It's the waiter from the restaurant."' Along with the waiter, police detained his girlfriend and his two younger brothers. Police withheld their names. The waiter was booked for investigation of vandalism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted June 10, 2003 Oh. my. fucking. God. I can't stop laughing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the r-train Report post Posted June 10, 2003 Geez, how hard is it to go get some fucking veggies? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted June 10, 2003 I heard that on the radio yesterday. Waiter's lucky he didn't take a beating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle-plex Report post Posted June 11, 2003 "I just said, 'Oh, my God! It's the waiter from the restaurant."' Bwahahahahha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HBK16 Report post Posted June 11, 2003 lmao. Thats classic. Im sure he is going to get fired for this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SweetNSexyDiva Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Yikes... talk about having a bad day! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big McLargeHuge Report post Posted June 11, 2003 "What the... 14.6%? Those Assholes!!" People are crazy. I love it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted June 11, 2003 You know, instead of trashing the place, I would have bought about 50 packets of vegetable seeds, set them on their doorstep with a note that said "Next time you want vegetables, grow them the fuck yourself" Im totally for the waiter in this situation. Waiters get pissed on and jerked around and a lot of the time its not their fault. The customers take it out on them and act like its the waiters fault that the food wasn't cooked right or things like that. Most waiters/waitresses are making below min. wage and rely on tips to make up for that. Now, I know you'll say that how the waiter handled the situation makes it right for them not to tip, but there are so many other times when waiters don't get tipped even though they do everything right the way they are supposed to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted June 11, 2003 I'll never understand why people expect their food servers (or anyone else in the service industry for that matter) to be superhuman and flawless. I live with a family that will try to get someone fired or at least chewed out for anything, and it pisses me off. I mean, these people are human too. Who knows, the manager might have gotten pissed at the waiter for saying they only had potatoes, prompting him to be in a foul mood. Of course, I won't try to rationalize that stuff to the house, only because it's so stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted June 11, 2003 You know, I've noticed that people have gotten so cheap with tipping as of late. 15% might sound like a lot, but if you are going to go out and spend $50 (or more) for dinner, I don't understand why you wont spend the extra 7 or 8 bucks for the tip. If I ever open up my own restaurant, I'd love to be able to have a seperate section for people who don't want to tip their waiter/waitress. Then they'd see how underappreciated Waiters/waitresses are when they have to go up and get their own food or whenever they need the least little something, argue with the cooks when its not right, and argue with the chef when they don't have something on the menu that you really like. Damn Health code and safety regulations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ElectricRaccoon Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Tips, above maybe a token minimum, should be directly correlated with the quality of service. I see no need to tip fifteen (and fifteen gets you sneered at, too - at least twenty seems to be the expected minimum these days) percent if I have to wait twenty minutes for a drink, my order is taken incorrectly, etc.. If the wait staff expect tips, they need to perform above and beyond the bare minimum for service, which is what their wage covers. Yes, most people's expectations of them are unrealistic, but it's also unrealistic to expect, given what a half decent meal out already costs, that there be additional money laid out for mediocre (or absent) service. Eveyrone who's closely connected to the whole waiting thing invariably has stories about how great and hardworking 99% of all staff are, but I sincerely doubt the apathy ratio is any different than in any other industry. If the server goes above what is required (or at least attempts to meet basic standards), then I have no objections to paying more than what is required. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted June 11, 2003 TO me, you are going to get a great tip even if the service isn't that great as long as you aren't 1:Rude or 2: Taking a expecially long time for no reason. I have gone to resturants and watched my waiter be so busy flirting with this table of women that he barely came to my table. He didn't get a great tip. One waiter brought our drinks and I asked him can I have a straw. he responds "CAN YOU WAIT!" Well I sure can. I can also not tip your ass. Most waiters and waitresses make less than minimum wage and depend on their tips. They should also realize that how they act is going to affect the tip so act cordual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted June 11, 2003 (edited) Tips, above maybe a token minimum, should be directly correlated with the quality of service. I see no need to tip fifteen (and fifteen gets you sneered at, too - at least twenty seems to be the expected minimum these days) percent if I have to wait twenty minutes for a drink, my order is taken incorrectly, etc.. Unless the service was an absolute and complete disaster in which the waitstaff has complete control of(something is spilled on you, wrong order, etc.) then you should tip the 15%. If it is mangled up, you should at least tim something. You must also remember that unless the restaurant is not busy, you are not the only person that a waiter/waitress will have to wait on. A reasonable wait is to be expected, especially if the restaurant is busy. I don't know about 20 minutes for a drink, but 10 would seem reasonable even for a busy period. People who expect "I want it and I want it now" service..well I hate them. If the wait staff expect tips, they need to perform above and beyond the bare minimum for service, which is what their wage covers. This angers me muchly. Waiters usually get paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $2-$3 an hour. Most people don't realize that because they assume they get paid minimum wage, but because of tips, they get less than that since tips are supposed to be taxed . The majority of the money waitstaff earn is from tips. Granted, on a busy night they can make a lot, but it balances out on the slow nights when they might only get a few tables, and figure that even on the slow nights they'll get stupid people who think they don't have to tip. Yes, most people's expectations of them are unrealistic, but it's also unrealistic to expect, given what a half decent meal out already costs, that there be additional money laid out for mediocre (or absent) service. Eveyrone who's closely connected to the whole waiting thing invariably has stories about how great and hardworking 99% of all staff are, but I sincerely doubt the apathy ratio is any different than in any other industry. If the server goes above what is required (or at least attempts to meet basic standards), then I have no objections to paying more than what is required. I guess you have to have worked in the industry to understand things. Not getting a tip from a couple tables on a slow night would be the equivalent of working 8 hours and only getting paid for about 4. And if it were you, you'd eventually become pissy about it as well. And admittedly they usually take it out on the people who they either know don't tip well or think won't tip well, and yeah they should try and give everyone the best level of service possible, but it doesn't work that way all of the time If you frequent a restaurant on a regular basis and tip well, you will get consistantly good service, guaranteed from anyone on the waitstaff (The word spreads around well on who the good/bad tippers are, the people who always leave at least 15%..). Im amazed that Im this opinionated on a subject (this was brought up before and I ranted on it for a while as well). I've never worked in the front of the house before (Waitstaff, bussers, etc.) but I know a lot of people who have, and while I would never work front of the house (for me it the pay isn't worth the trouble, even though on busy nights waitstaff usually can pull in a really nice sum of money.) I do admire them for putting up with it (we haven't had any accidents like the story above..yet..) Edited June 11, 2003 by MarvinisaLunatic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ElectricRaccoon Report post Posted June 11, 2003 If the wait staff expect tips, they need to perform above and beyond the bare minimum for service, which is what their wage covers. This angers me muchly. Waiters usually get paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $2-$3 an hour. Most people don't realize that because they assume they get paid minimum wage, but because of tips, they get less than that since tips are supposed to be taxed . The majority of the money waitstaff earn is from tips. Granted, on a busy night they can make a lot, but it balances out on the slow nights when they might only get a few tables, and figure that even on the slow nights they'll get stupid people who think they don't have to tip. Don't assume that because I disagree I don't have the information. The reason I disagree with the concept of the mandatory 15% tip is because it strikes me too much as paying for a service that I didn't get. It's not my responsibility to equalize an unfair wage system. Sure, I'll sympathize if given a reason to, but if you take my order while gossiping with another server, and it leads to this exchange: "Black Russian, please." "What was that?" "Black Russian, please." "Okay." (clearly stated, twice. Eventually, a White Russian arrives) "Excuse me...sorry, but I had the Black Russian" "Sorry, we can't take it back if you change your mind" This is the most extreme example, but there's no way the same 15% is owed here as if I had gotten good service. I don't ask for much, but I also should not be asked to reward incompetence. Service is an exchange of money for effort. If they're not willing to put forward the effort, again, why should I pay for a service I don't get? I get enough of that on the large scale, with the Liberals in power, I don't need to deal with it during the minutae of my day, too. Like I said, I have no problem tipping if standards are met - but I do have standards. All I ask is that my order be recorded correctly (I'm aware that the actual item is the work of the bartender or chef, rather than the server), and that I not be ignored in a deserted restaurant. I'm not in the realm of sitcom-character outright refusing to tip, but I do expect to some degree to get what I pay for. Besides, if tips are expected to be given out regardless of service, there's no incentive provided to those who really do go above and beyond. Either you're giving them the same tip as someone who didn't/wouldn't even meet basic standards, let alone exceed them, or you end up tipping 30% just to make a point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bosstones Fan Report post Posted June 11, 2003 On a somewhat-related note here... What is everyone's opinion of tipping the pizza delivery guy? I had one guy a few weeks literally stand on my front porch and stare at me for a while, as if he was waiting for a tip. Finally, when I said, "Thank you" (for the second time) and turned to go back inside, sure enough, he let out a very audible sigh, rolled his eyes, and walked away. It pissed me off. Am I wrong to not tip pizza delivery guys? They make at least minimum wage (I know because my cousin delivers for Papa Johns), so do they deserve a tip? All they do is deliver the goddamned pizza...I don't see how that's tipworthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Pizza guys I give a dollar. They drove to my house. Wow. With the resturant tipping, I'm confused on when it became my problem to worry about my waiter having a crappy job. I have a crappy job, yet I make no commission on anything I sell, and there sure as hell isn't anyone coming in to throw a few dollars in my pocket. If you don't like the fact that there are, in fact, assholes in the world that don't feel that it's customary to leave 10 dollars for a quick lunch, get a new fucking job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big McLargeHuge Report post Posted June 11, 2003 I was a waiter for about a month in 2002. I hated it. Having to be there for someone else's every need nearly drove me insane, and I had been stiffed on tips as well. My solution: I quit and found a job that didn't require me to communicate with customers (who are idiots generally speaking) at all. Been happy ever since. Or at least happier. The moral of my story: ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lil Naitch Report post Posted June 11, 2003 Being formerly a waiter, in most cases I would side with the waiter. But in this case, the waiter was in the wrong, acting mean, throwing a salad at the lady and telling her to get the dressing herself. then the waiter got upset about not being tipped? I did some bad shit when I was waiting, but nothing like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lil Naitch Report post Posted June 11, 2003 I don't do that 15% BS. If you do a good job, you get a good tip (generally $5 or more, depending on where I'm eating). You do a bad job, I leave you two cents just so you don't think I forgot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ravenbomb Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Pizza Deliver guys should get tips, too. Not as big as waiters, mind you, but taking into account traffic and all the idiots and assholes driving, and if they get here sooner than the 30-45 minutes (which they usually do) then they should get something wonder why she couldn't eat potatoes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted June 12, 2003 I tip the pizza dude a buck. He drove literally... 3 minutes to my house. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ravenbomb Report post Posted June 12, 2003 oh. Well, any pizza delivery people have to either a) go through this f'ed up accident-causing intersection or b) go through tons of construction to get to our house, so there we are then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted June 12, 2003 wonder why she couldn't eat potatoes Could've been on a no-carb diet. Or maybe diabetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted June 12, 2003 I hate the 15% rule because it shouldn't be my place to pay their salaries, their place of employment should and because I think a tip should be a bonus for a job well done not something mandatory on the menu. "I'd like a garden salad and a tip please" "Ok well with the tip, it has to be upwards of 15%" About pizza delivery people, I usually tip 40% or more because I usually call around 11:30 or after and I'm making them drive at night usually in rain and snow just so my fat ass can eat so I feel bad. I'm pretty mean if shit gets messed up though. "Hey I like the cinnastix but next time I'd prefer no curly brown hairs" And I felt especially bad this one time when this hot guy came to my house and was just delivering the food but the order taker messed up and they made HIM come to my house just to give me hot sauce. I gave him another $2. I would have prefered hot sex but hey I got my hot sauce. I felt bad so I called back and complained and made the manager apologize to the employee on the phone for sending him after his shift to my house just for hot sauce instead of the order taker. Two weeks later, the delivery boy comes to my house with a smile on his face with more food. I was expecting hot sex as a thank you but just settled for my food. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Huh. Didn't know Game was female (or gay, whichever). I've done the waiter thing too, and have eaten at many a restaurant, and it goes both ways. I've had horrible and/or nonexistant, fucked-up service that I wouldn't pay one damn cent for because the people were so horrible rude or incompetent. Also, I've given spotless, perfect, 5-star service to asshole customers who didn't give me squat. It goes both ways. But, in conclusion: you need to be good AND thick-skinned if you wanna work in food. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted June 13, 2003 I was a pizza guy, and well.. check this website out- http://www.tipthepizzaguy.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
