Favorite euro champ of all time

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Anglesault....really dude. Did Test fuck your girlfriend or soemthing. I dont know how else you can hate him this much.

 

His horrible performances and near constant pushes. And the fact that he has had exactly TWO good matches in the WWF The aformentioned Eddy match which Test fucked up, and one with Shane.

Geez... I've already destroyed this argument before and here you are again pimping it. How fucking pathetic.

 

"Waa WAA!!!!! Test gets nearly constant pushes!!!! Waa WAA!!!"

 

I dare you to name ONE push Test has gotten that actually had a decent pay-off. In fact, I can go over his entire career and show that he's been screwed over like just about everybody else in the midcard. Oh, and before you try to pull the "He and Shane are best friends" card allow me to ask that if Shane had ANY actual influence over storylines involving his friend, then why has Test been constantly buried and squashed like any other midcarder?

 

And exactly what in his career can barely even qualify as a push? Getting squashed by HHH and Rock repeatedly?

 

Being in a JTTS tag team that never won the titles?

 

Winning the IC Title one week only to lose it at the PPV the next?

 

Being given a stupid "ladies' man" gimmick that makes him out to be a total doofus because no women was booked to fall for it?

 

Winning the Immunity Battle Royal and going on to punk out refs for maybe a week and a half before it's completely forgotten?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

 

I don't think there were any blown spots as horrible and obvious as that in Pac/Shane. And Test Eddy had just as many run ins as many run ins as Shane/X-Pac, but the one's in the Shane match had a point.

 

So an ENTIRE match is ruined because of one slip-up? Goddamn, you jock Test almost as much as Angle.

 

Test/Eddy had one run-in and that was Dean Malenko(I believe Saturn had accompanied Eddy to the ring already or maybe both of them did), X-Punk/Shane-O-Hack had at least 3 with Test, HHH, and Chyna doing the deeds. And what point did it have, exactly? That being the boss' son means you could go over an actual wrestler on the biggest show of the year for a title and later retire as champion? What bullshit. Shane should have NEVER held the European title at all, let alone even have a title shot at Wrestle-FUCKING-Mania.

Dean was a run in and Saturn came with him, I think. I still count the Saturn attack. And the point of the Shane match was to get HHH over as a heel. The point of the Test match was to stop the bleeding and get the belt off Test.

What "bleeding" are you babbling about? No one has given a damn about the European Title since Shane-O-Hack retired it in 99 only to give to friggin Mideon a few months later.

 

And if the point of the Shane/X-Punk match was to get HHH over as a heel, it sure failed badly.

[Guest]

Choices in bold

 

Bulldog vs. DDP

HBK vs. Christian

HHH vs. Bradshaw

Owen Hart vs. Hurricane

D-Lo Brown vs. Matt Hardy

X-Pac vs. Eddy

Shane McMahon vs. Test

Mideon vs. Regal

Jeff Jarret vs. Crash

Mark Henry vs. Al Snow

Val Venis vs. Perry Saturn

Kurt Angle vs. Chris Jericho

 

Wow, who rigged this contest? Six of my seven favorite champions had to face each other in the first round.  ??? I hope coin flips are acceptable...

[Guest]

Kudos to Always for ripping Anglesault's weak arguements to shreds. I could of done the same thing but not as good as you did. *smooch!*

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Yes, coin flips are acceptable, BUT... you have to use a two-headed coin, so either way you're screw, man.

 

 

BTW, welcome to the board, Slim. Please wipe your feet before stepping inside...

[Guest Nater]

DDP

HBK

HHH

Owen Hart

D-Lo Brown

Eddy

Test

Regal

Jeff Jarret

Al Snow

Val Venis

Chris Jericho

 

 

HBK

Owen Hart

Eddy

Regal

Jeff Jarret

Chris Jericho

 

HBK

Eddy

Jeff Jarret

 

Top 3..

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Kudos to Always for ripping Anglesault's weak arguements to shreds. I could of done the same thing but not as good as you did. *smooch!*

Heh, I am to please, Ghast.

[Guest dreamer420]

Bulldog vs. DDP

winner: bulldog

 

HBK vs. Christian

winner: hbk

 

HHH vs. Bradshaw

winner: hhh

 

Owen Hart vs. Hurricane

winner: owen hart

 

D-Lo Brown vs. Matt Hardy

winner: d'lo brown

 

X-Pac vs. Eddy

winner: x-pac

 

Shane McMahon vs. Test

winner: shane mcmahon

 

Mideon vs. Regal

winner: regal

 

Jeff Jarret vs. Crash

winner: jeff jarrett

 

Mark Henry vs. Al Snow

winner: al snow (best title reign ever!)

 

Val Venis vs. Perry Saturn

winner: val venis

 

Kurt Angle vs. Chris Jericho

winner: kurt angle

[Guest Anglesault]

"Waa WAA!!!!! Test gets nearly constant pushes!!!! Waa WAA!!!"

 

I dare you to name ONE push Test has gotten that actually had a decent pay-off. In fact, I can go over his entire career and show that he's been screwed over like just about everybody else in the midcard. Oh, and before you try to pull the "He and Shane are best friends" card allow me to ask that if Shane had ANY actual influence over storylines involving his friend, then why has Test been constantly buried and squashed like any other midcarder?

 

And exactly what in his career can barely even qualify as a push? Getting squashed by HHH and Rock repeatedly?

 

Being in a JTTS tag team that never won the titles?

 

Winning the IC Title one week only to lose it at the PPV the next?

 

Being given a stupid "ladies' man" gimmick that makes him out to be a total doofus because no women was booked to fall for it?

 

Winning the Immunity Battle Royal and going on to punk out refs for maybe a week and a half before it's completely forgotten?

And did the fans react to ANY of that? ANY OF IT? They tried to push him, and the fans didn't care. It's fucking pointless to give him more than that if the fans show no signs of interest. If the fans would have maybe you know, BOOED him, the immunity gimmick could have stuck. Do you think Test should get pushed to the world title and then wait for a fan reaction?

 

Rob Van Dam was brought in as a heel hardcore wrestler. The fans REACTED to him and he was in the main events by the end of the year.

 

And Test destroyed Rocky on several occasions. Funny, though, the fans didn't care.

 

The man SHOULD NOT get all these opportunities. He is a fucking failure.

 

 

You need to get at least some kind of reaction before you are elevated.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

"Waa WAA!!!!! Test gets nearly constant pushes!!!! Waa WAA!!!"

 

I dare you to name ONE push Test has gotten that actually had a decent pay-off. In fact, I can go over his entire career and show that he's been screwed over like just about everybody else in the midcard. Oh, and before you try to pull the "He and Shane are best friends" card allow me to ask that if Shane had ANY actual influence over storylines involving his friend, then why has Test been constantly buried and squashed like any other midcarder?

 

And exactly what in his career can barely even qualify as a push? Getting squashed by HHH and Rock repeatedly?

 

Being in a JTTS tag team that never won the titles?

 

Winning the IC Title one week only to lose it at the PPV the next?

 

Being given a stupid "ladies' man" gimmick that makes him out to be a total doofus because no women was booked to fall for it?

 

Winning the Immunity Battle Royal and going on to punk out refs for maybe a week and a half before it's completely forgotten?

And did the fans react to ANY of that? ANY OF IT? They tried to push him, and the fans didn't care. It's fucking pointless to give him more than that if the fans show no signs of interest. If the fans would have maybe you know, BOOED him, the immunity gimmick could have stuck. Do you think Test should get pushed to the world title and then wait for a fan reaction?

 

Rob Van Dam was brought in as a heel hardcore wrestler. The fans REACTED to him and he was in the main events by the end of the year.

 

And Test destroyed Rocky on several occasions. Funny, though, the fans didn't care.

 

The man SHOULD NOT get all these opportunities. He is a fucking failure.

 

 

You need to get at least some kind of reaction before you are elevated.

Let's see...

 

The marriage angle got him over, then Triple H squashed him for a month straight, how exactly is he going to get over when they treat him like a jobber?

 

He and Edge were over when they fought for the IC Title at Survivor Series. Test jobs to a stupid fluke roll-up(a finish I personally hate) and then Edge loses to another unover midcarder which results in the next few months full of nothing but stupid matches revolving around a pair of brass knux as the credibility of the IC Title is again flushed down the toilet. It was pretty obvious that the bookers didn't give a damn about the prestige of the IC title til they got the Hardcore Title off of Van Dam at Vengeance and then finally let RVD win it at WM. And personally, I didn't think that Test deserved an IC title reign, or Edge, or even Christian, but they just whored the belt around like Missy Hyatt after Jericho lost it and it hasn't been a credible title since.

 

No, I would never think that Test should be pushed toward the WWF Title unless he was A) over enough to warrent it and/or B) The bookers get their heads out their asses and LOGICALLY book the midcard in the right way.

 

The fans reacted to RVD because he was something different. He was all "It's cool, man" and the fans identified with it. I don't see how exactly that compares to Test or any of the other midcard jobbers who've been screwed by the booking team recently.

 

Several occasions, my ass. Who was there whenever Test had a match with Rock during that weeklong stopover "feud"? Oh yeah, it was Steph... And WHO pinned Rock on RAW? Steph. If they had left the feud at just Test and Rock, who knows if Test would have gotten over? That whole "feud" was just a way for to make Steph look like she was Queen Bitch and hurt all the wrestlers involved. And how much of a badass did Test look like when Rock ran down and beat the holy hell out of him for most of that "feud"? Again, it's just another case of the bookers not giving a flying fuck and making everyone look weak. Hell, I can compare Test's situation to Booker T, Lance Storm, and Christian.

 

Again I ask, WHAT opprotunities? If getting squashed was an opprotunity, then I don't see the upside. Almost EVERY FUCKING TIME he's on TV, he jobs. WHERE IS THIS "CONSTANT PUSH" GARBAGE COMING FROM?

 

Also, by your logic, Angle never should have been in the Undisputed Title Tourney since he wasn't over until the Hunter feud the next month.

 

The end result of all this bickering: I still proved you wrong. Try finding a more valid reason for hating on Test so much or go fuck a wall or something to get rid of all this misplaced aggression.

[Guest Anglesault]

He and Edge were over when they fought for the IC Title at Survivor Series.

 

Uhm...No they weren't. Pretty damned dead crowd to me.

 

And I was talkingn about the feud in December when Test kept kicking the Rock's head in and yelling "screw you"

 

And Angle wasn't over enough for that title tournament.

[Guest]

Well Anglesault, Kurt has got pushed since he came in. Theyve never stopped pushing him. There were a couple of times he stopped getting alot of reaction but he was STILL pushed. Hey maybe his midcard role right now is a way to pay his dues for that a little.

I dont know what the Edge and Test reactions were, but I know they didnt do a good job at all of making people care about it. It was just a thrown together feud.  

Test has gotten the rug pulled out from under him whenever he seems to catch a break. How are the fans supposed to get behind a guy when everything he does gets suddenly stopped?  

 

And I was talkingn about the feud in December when Test kept kicking the Rock's head in and yelling "screw you"

And Rock made him look like a total pussy all the time. Test only got an advantage when he jumped Rock. I nfact I think a remember a time he jumped Rock and STILL got fucked up. How is anyone supposed to take him serious when Rock makes him look like such a bitch?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Bulldog vs. DDP

Bulldog

 

HBK vs. Christian

Christian

 

HHH vs. Bradshaw

HHH

 

Owen Hart vs. Hurricane

Owen

 

D-Lo Brown vs. Matt Hardy

D-Lo

 

X-Pac vs. Eddy

Eddy

 

Shane McMahon vs. Test

Shane

 

Mideon vs. Regal

Regal

 

Jeff Jarret vs. Crash

JJ

 

Mark Henry vs. Al Snow

Snow

 

Val Venis vs. Perry Saturn

Val

 

Kurt Angle vs. Chris Jericho

Angle

[Guest Anglesault]

Test has gotten the rug pulled out from under him whenever he seems to catch a break. How are the fans supposed to get behind a guy when everything he does gets suddenly stopped?  

 

Thy only pull the plug when it's obvious that no one cares.

 

 

 

 

And Rock made him look like a total pussy all the time. Test only got an advantage when he jumped Rock.

 

Like a good heel?

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Bulldog

Christian

HHH

Owen Hart

D-Lo Brown

Eddy

Test

Regal

Jeff Jarrett

Al Snow

Perry Saturn

Kurt Angle

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Bulldog vs. DDP

Bulldog

 

HBK vs. Christian

Christian

 

HHH vs. Bradshaw

HHH

 

Owen Hart vs. Hurricane

Owen

 

D-Lo Brown vs. Matt Hardy

D'Lo

 

X-Pac vs. Eddy

Eddy

 

Shane McMahon vs. Test

Shane

 

Mideon vs. Regal

Regal

 

Jeff Jarret vs. Crash

Crash

 

Mark Henry vs. Al Snow

Snow

 

Val Venis vs. Perry Saturn

Val

 

Kurt Angle vs. Chris Jericho

Angle

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Test has gotten the rug pulled out from under him whenever he seems to catch a break. How are the fans supposed to get behind a guy when everything he does gets suddenly stopped?  

 

 

Thy only pull the plug when it's obvious that no one cares.

 

 

I'm not really entering the argument...but RVD got the rug pulled out from under him on January 7th.  His undisputed title feud was scrapped, and he spent 2 months wrestling Test, teaming with Edge, or bieng in pointless 6 man tags.

 

It didn't end up hurting him too much.

 

If Test had that resolve...maybe things would be different.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Bulldog vs. DDP

Winner: DDP

 

HBK vs. Christian

Winner: HBK

 

HHH vs. Bradshaw

Winner: HHH

 

Owen Hart vs. Hurricane

Winner: Owen Hart

 

D-Lo Brown vs. Matt Hardy

Winner: Matt Hardy

 

X-Pac vs. Eddy

Winner: Eddy

 

Shane McMahon vs. Test

Winner: Test

 

Mideon vs. Regal

Winner: Regal

 

Jeff Jarret vs. Crash

Winner: Jeff Jarrett

 

Mark Henry vs. Al Snow

Winner: Al Snow

 

Val Venis vs. Perry Saturn

Winner: Saturn

 

Kurt Angle vs. Chris Jericho

Winner: Kurt Angle

[Guest Anglesault]

I'd also like to point out that you couldn't name any other good Test matches.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Test has gotten the rug pulled out from under him whenever he seems to catch a break. How are the fans supposed to get behind a guy when everything he does gets suddenly stopped?  

 

 

Thy only pull the plug when it's obvious that no one cares.

 

 

I'm not really entering the argument...but RVD got the rug pulled out from under him on January 7th.  His undisputed title feud was scrapped, and he spent 2 months wrestling Test, teaming with Edge, or bieng in pointless 6 man tags.

 

It didn't end up hurting him too much.

 

If Test had that resolve...maybe things would be different.

I know where you're coming from, bps, but I'd have to disagree with the resolve issue. RVD is/was basically a newcomer to the WWF, Test has been with the fed for almost 4 years with this kind of treatment. You just can't compare the two of them at all.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I get that...

 

But if Test was over enough (like RVD was) the first time they pulled the rug on him...

 

His popularity probably could have forced them to stick with him.

 

But I get what you're saying.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I'd also like to point out that you couldn't name any other good Test matches.

What's the use in naming some when all you are going to do is slag them because of your unrelented Test-hating bias?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

And...the RVD example kind of proves that they don't just pull the rug out when fans aren't into it.

 

With the exception of Hogan/Rock...

 

the fans haven't been in to anything as much as they were into the RVD/Jericho title match...

 

...and that got scrapped.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I get that...

 

But if Test was over enough (like RVD was) the first time they pulled the rug on him...

 

His popularity probably could have forced them to stick with him.

 

But I get what you're saying.

Well, he was pretty over after the marriage angle(but not RVD-like over, though), but all the repeated HHH squashes and the later on heel turn with Albert just absolutely killed his popularity dead.

[Guest Anglesault]

I'd also like to point out that you couldn't name any other good Test matches.

What's the use in naming some when all you are going to do is slag them because of your unrelented Test-hating bias?

Try me. I'll warn you now that I thought Test/Edge was shit.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

I know there's no point in arguing with you, Anglesault (if that is you real name), but I'm still gonna say a few things.

 

I like Test matches.  I think they're entertaining.  In fact, I can't remember one Test match I thought was awful.  I'd give you a little list of what I enjoyed, but I don't tend to remember stuff like that too much.  That's not to say I don't remember any, though.

 

A few recent ones I know I was into:

 

Crash versus Test (Metal)

Spike versus Test (Heat)

Godfather versus Test (Heat

Tajiri versus Test (Smackdown)

 

I mean, really, friend ... your towards the guy really ??? me!

[Guest Anglesault]

In fact, I can't remember one Test match I thought was awful.

Kane vs. Test at No Mercy '01

[Guest Speed 6]

DDP

Christian

HHH

Owen Hart

D-Lo Brown

Eddy

Shane McMahon

Regal

Jeff Jarret

Al Snow

Perry Saturn

Kurt Angle

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Val venis MY ASS.

[Guest Anglesault]

Val venis MY ASS.

He DID hold it longer than Saturn...And Val didn't feud with The Kat during his run.