The austin situation...what actually happened?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

- Steve Austin reportedly originally refused to work with Hulk Hogan, forcing the WWF to use the Rock in his place at Wrestlemania. However, a lot of people concluded that Austin was smart for doing that, especially after seeing Hogan out-pop the Rock at the PPV.

 

- The original plan for the Hall-Austin Wrestlemania match as reported before was for Kevin Nash and X-Pac to interfere, causing Hall to win and prolonging the Austin vs. nWo angle. However, the plan was changed about a week before when at the urging of other wrestlers, Vince decided to give Austin the win. The day of Wrestlemania, Hall was apparently in "bad shape" again, so Austin decided that not only did he want to win, but that he wanted to end his feud against the nWo and that's why they did the blowoff finish where Austin defeated Hall with no real questions asked.

 

- Despite getting the finish changed to meet his requests, Austin was so unhappy at the creative direction of the WWF, he flew straight home and missed RAW and Smackdown! that week. On RAW, he was only scheduled to take part in an interview so the WWF didn't have too much trouble re-writing the script.

 

- Before Vince McMahon went ahead and signed the nWo, the working plan was for Steve Austin to face Chris Benoit at Wrestlemania. However, when word came in that Benoit would be unable to wrestle, all plans were obviously changed and in fact, a week later, Hall and Nash were signed.

 

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[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

That's pretty much what we all thought, isn't it?

 

I just hope the two sides have sorted it out and Austin dosn't miss any more tv time. I don't blame him for not wanting to work with the nWo, but I'd guess he needs to be careful what he does from now on.

[Guest]

Well if he refused to fight Hogan...why did he get mad about being in the midcard? There was nothing left for him except another installment in the played out Kurt Angle feud or Hall or Nash. But still he bitched.

At least hes back, but I hope he doesnt pull any other kind of shit.

[Guest buffybeast]

I can't blame Austin for not wanting to work with Hogan.  I don't think Austin can stand that man.  But I still say he could have worked a program with Hall.

 

And what does "no condition to work" mean, anyway?

[Guest muzanisa]

And what does "no condition to work" mean, anyway?

 

Pissed

[Guest RickyB]

And what does "no condition to work" mean, anyway?

 

Pissed

I seriously doubt he was pissed.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think that this doesn't make Austin look so bad.

 

The reason I posted it is because:

 

A:  It WAS smart for Austin to turn down that program with Hogan (because look what happened to the Rock...and NOW he's Hogan's little buddy?)

 

B:  All the people who said they chose the Rock because he was a bigger star than Austin...ahem.

 

C:  It seems like no one really wanted Austin too lose to Hall.  And that is logical...since no one in the locker room would want a new guy to be pushed so high above them.

 

D:  If Austin has a problem with the creative team and the writers...who can blame him?  Have you watched the show?

[Guest dreamer420]

It gives Austin a shitty reputation too and we all know that he has pulled similar crap in the past.

[Guest]

So let me get this straight, Austin gets his way AND STILL he runs home like a bitch? Give me a break. What happens if Vince dare says no to the guy?

 

Well you can throw Austin in the same "backtage cancers" group as Hogan, HHH, and Nash.

 

Oh, and there blows your theory that the WWF doesn't care about Benoit. It was obvious Vince was banking on the program between him and Austin to draw so Benoit was obvioulsy going to be pushed as a monster. Oh well. There went his video package.

[Guest muzanisa]

I seriously doubt he was pissed.

 

He was pissed, steaming,cattled, one over the eight, brahms and liszt, trolleyed, wankered, tired and emotional,bladdered, in his cups.

 

you know drunk.

 

Alledgedly

[Guest]

damnit, Austin/Benoit would have saved Wrestlemania.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I have no problem adding Austin to the backstage problems crew.

 

In fact...I think the problem is that there IS a backstage problem crew.

 

If HHH can get Steph to do whatever he wants too...(and according to the observer...HHH is actively burying people in production meetings again) Anyone who has any stroke, has to use it.

 

It sounds to me like Austin's problem is bigger than the NWO.

 

Let's hope that they still plan on making Benoit a monster.

[Guest notJames]

Eh.

 

Whatever gets Austin back on TV is fine by me. You can bitch about how Austin is now a cancer, etc., but at least he's still entertaining. I can't say the same for Big Poochie, Hunter the One-Trick-Knee Pony or the Orange Goblin, who are WAY more manipulative than Austin could ever be. And the fact that he's got tons of support from the boys in the back speaks volumes about who is more valuable to everyone.

 

Eh. Just put something entertaining on so I don't have to watch  Ally McBeal or Friends...

[Guest DragonflyKid]

Austin will be back on Raw monday so any problems seem to have been worked out. I do think the problems have been blown out of proportion to some extent. If I busted my ass for years only to be pushed down by "outsiders" I'd want to send a message to management too, but I wouldn't contemplate leaving forever.

 

BTW I just saw a video clip of Ausin impersonating Hogan while Austin was in ECW, it was quite funny.

[Guest mastermind]

I told you guys from long time that it was reported Austin refused the program with Hogan and people thought it was just rumour. I still think something is fishy here. If Austin got his way why would he not show up last week? Unless it's a work. Austin/Benoit would have ruled for sure especially here in Canada. You see I think the wwf read some posts here last fall/winter. Remember the thread about what should happen at Mania? The Bret Hart spot was also brought up in the thread. Who says the wwf doesn't pay attention or read our comments? That's off topic, but Benoit/Austin can be done for next year since they would be in different divisions.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

He didn't show up because he is upset with the direction of the company.

 

And I can't blame him for that.

 

I don't want to say it has anything to do with who's fucking who's daughter...but I only see one direction of the company right now.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

It gives Austin a shitty reputation too and we all know that he has pulled similar crap in the past. >>>

 

 

With Jarrett and Billy Gunn---both correct moves, I might add.

 

It's not like people condemn Flair for refusing to job to Luger and Rick Steiner.

 

They don't because, in the end, jobbing to them would have HURT business.

                     -=Mike

[Guest Vern Gagne]

According to the torch everyone they've talked too backstage thinks that the Austin situation is real.

[Guest mastermind]

I think some misunderstood what I meant this being a work. I'm talking about the weekend of WrestleMania the wwf probably knew Austin would no-show. I mean is Austin going to no show WrestleMania and miss the big ppv pay day and plus it's WrestleMania.

 

Something had to go on from the week before or something. Austin got what he wanted at WrestleMania.  I was saying he should have jobbed which I still think storyline wise it would have continued the nWo angle strong and also fit with Austin on RAW against the nWo. You see if Austin had lost and was picked number 1 by Flair this week it could have been plausible for Austin to get the nWo on RAW's side by requesting Flair to do so to get revenge. Now do some see where the angle COULD have went. Of course this is the wwf writers here and I doubt that was their reasoning.

 

All that is besides the point as I can see how Austin might percieve the angle in a way that the kliq boys with Triple H at the meetings are trying to top Austin in the hierarchy. He does have a great reason to feel this way. I saw in another thread something VERY scary. What if Steph and Triple H DO get married? Lord have mercy on us all? There is a net insider/writer out there who thinks some smarts are talking through their asses on this topic because he feels Trips was with Steph for 2 years and did pretty well in the back without disrupting morale. His reasoning is why the hell would he jeopardize it 2 months into the nWo angle. One thing that is pretty funny in all of this though. People thought Hogan would be the headache, but he seems pretty humble for now. It still doesn't take away this man's amazing political strategizing at witnessed by his match with Rock. BTW, I'm aHogan mark, but know too well he gets boring as hell quickly ever since 1990.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I am sort of divided on this issue.  On one hand Austin is right, but another part of me says that he should do his job whether he's right or not.

[Guest Human Fly]

Is it just me or is there something major going to be coming down soon? With all of the clashing egos right now someone is going to get fired, someone is going to leave, or some people are going to make each other look bad in the ring. Vince needs to get control of this situation and let it be known that he is the boss. If I was him and having my daughter help run the book was causing this many problems then he should value the integrity of his company and take her off.

[Guest Some Guy]

I hadn't heard that Hall was drunk or hungover ot Mania, that changes my opinion slightly about Austin wanting the feud to end.  I orriginally thought that he was being a bitch.  Austin never would have been Hogan's little buddy or anyone else's for that matter it goes totally against his Face gimmick.  No I can't blame him for having a problem with the writing team, but i can blame him for going home and still stand by ny opinion that if it were HHH or a non-Smark favorite that person would get crucified for it.  

 

Why the fuck is HHH allowed into the meetings in the 1st place?  I know why, but an active wrestler should not be allowed in the booking meetings, especially if he buries people.  Vince should see through that shit anyway and realize that HHH is just trying to protect "his spot".  The sad part is that Vince probably does see through it and just keeps listening and acting upon HHH's wishes.

[Guest notJames]

The sad part is that Vince probably does see through it ...

The problem is that he can't see past his daughter's billion dollar rack.

 

(And I mean that in every way you can possibly think.)

 

BTW, apparently, Austin no-showed the house show tonight. Am I worried? No. I'll be worried when the show(s) really start to suck ass and Vince stubbornly won't rectify it by making Austin happy. Ego shmego... Austin deserves everything on a silver platter for all the shit he's had to put up with his whole career. He didn't politic his way into superstar status, he didn't bury anyone on his way to the top, he didn't bend the bosses' ears to get where he is now... he earned it.

 

He earned it all.

 

And it's high time Vince started listening to the guy that kept him afloat while everyone else was playing backstage games or abandoning ship.

[Guest]

Why does everyone defend Austin? If Hogan was doing this you would all be going nuts.

 

I guess Austin getting 3 Wrestlemania Main Event wins isn't good enough for Austin.

[Guest KTA]

Wait if Scott shows up in 'no wrestling condition' - to paraphrase the previous quote, then why shoud he win ovet the fed's most over face? Steve Austin made (wwf)Attitude and brought in Desire this last year!

 

Reward the drunk kilq guy with a win over Cold Stone?

 

And also, Benoit passed his test. His team up with Jericho got him some great reactions and can he work the wwf crowd into responding to his wrestling. He's been a great sport with the Foley stripping him of his titles, and they like him. and HHH is waiting to match wits w (bury) another guy who's over.

 

This will rule SUCKA!

[Guest notJames]

Why does everyone defend Austin? If Hogan was doing this you would all be going nuts.

 

I guess Austin getting 3 Wrestlemania Main Event wins isn't good enough for Austin.

I think people are defending Austin's actions to send a statement to Vince and Co. that the shit that's supposedly going down is not going unnoticed. His actions are a direct result of a) the company's insistence on putting out an inferior product, thus bringing down Austin's ability to market himself, b) the political shenanigans by HHH et al that is furthering the deterioration of locker room morale, proper utilization of talent, etc., and c) the lack of direction the company seems to have, what with the shoddy, haphazard booking and writing as of late. In many people's mind, Austin is looking out for not only his well being but the welfare of the company as a whole, because in this monopoly that Vince has created, there aren't a whole lot of options should WWFE go up like the Spruce Goose.

 

Hogan's machinations and manipulations of the past (and seemingly of the present) are all done solely for his benefit, as has been proven time and time again. There's almost no way you could argue that the two are equal.

 

$0.02

[Guest goodhelmet]

"Why does everyone defend Austin? If Hogan was doing this you would all be going nuts. "

 

1) Austin is 100x the worker Hogan is and gives 100% in the ring. If Hogan gives 100%, 100% of suck is still suck.

 

2) When carrying the title, Austin has always defended it and worked like a horse to promote the title. Hogan took vacations.

 

3) The point still goes back to whether Austin should have jobbed to Hall. He shouldn't have and Austin was clearly in the right. Similar to how Hogan should NOT have jobbed to Kidman or Jarrett.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

whoa i think hogan should have jobbed to Jarrett. why shouldn't he have?

[Guest goodhelmet]

Because WCW had done such a piss-poor job of romoting matches that Hogan would have lost whatever credibility or marketability he had left. and if one thing has been proven true: Jeff Jarrett does not draw. And with Russo writing the script, I would use whatever political clout I had to prevent the job from taking place.

[Guest Some Guy]

I also think Hogan should have jobbed to Jarrett, it was the least he could do for all of the wins he got and never returned over he years.  If he had Jarrett might be a big star right now and having good matches with Rock, Austin, Angle, etc...