The Braves and Their Division Titles

[Guest treble charged]

Ok, the Braves and their fans like to brag about winning 11 division titles in a row (1991-1993, 1995-2002), ignoring the strike-shortened '94 season where the Expos were 6 games ahead of them when the season was ended. Lots of places credit the Expos with '94 NL East crown, even if it in 'unofficial'.

 

So, anyway, I'm voting 'No'. Their run is pretty incredible, but they haven't won 11 division titles in a row (yet, it's very possible that they can hit that number if the rest of the division fails to provide a real challenge like it has for the past few years).

[Guest ISportsFan]

I don't think the 1994 season counts for anything.

 

That is, unless we give the White Sox the MLB World Series title they rightfully deserve from that season. Then I'll count it.

 

Jason

[Guest The Czech Republic]

That is, unless we give the White Sox the MLB World Series title they rightfully deserve from that season. Then I'll count it.

Don't do that man, the White Sox are ghey. I'm a Cubs fan.

[Guest bravesfan]

A season has to have a foregone conclusion to it, for me to define it as a season..

 

Therefore, I recognize the San Antonio Spurs as NBA Champions in the 1999 season (there was a conclusion to the result).

 

The Expos were basically deemed the "unofficial NL East champions". In my mind, that crown was won off of a season that never had a conclusion, which means it DOESN'T EXIST.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

There's no official 1994 AL East champion. It's my belief that the Expos would of choked and the Braves would of ended up winning. But that doesn't matter know.

[Guest Bosstones Fan]

A season has to have a foregone conclusion to it, for me to define it as a season..

So does that mean that you also don't recognize the players who won individual awards that year?

 

NL MVP: Jeff Bagwell

NL Cy Young: Greg Maddux

NL Rookie of the Year: Raul Mondesi

 

AL MVP: Frank Thomas

AL Cy Young: David Cone

AL Rookie of the Year: Bob Hamelin (what the hell happened to that guy anyway???)

[Guest treble charged]

A season has to have a foregone conclusion to it, for me to define it as a season..

 

Therefore, I recognize the San Antonio Spurs as NBA Champions in the 1999 season (there was a conclusion to the result).

 

The Expos were basically deemed the "unofficial NL East champions". In my mind, that crown was won off of a season that never had a conclusion, which means it DOESN'T EXIST.

Ok, that explanation is all well and good, but you KNOW that if the Braves had been leading when the season ended that they'd be saying their streak was at 12, instead of 11.

[Guest bob_barron]

Well we don't know if they would but the fact remains-

 

The 1994 season never officially ended so the Expos were never declared NL East Champs

[Guest ISportsFan]

Don't do that man, the White Sox are ghey. I'm a Cubs fan.

Well, nobody's perfect.

 

Jason

[Guest Some Guy]

TC, if they're was no NL East champ in '94, which there wasn't then the Braves have won 11 straight divsions, they just did it in 12 years. If all stays the same this year they'll win another and then lose at some point in the postseason. It's a little strange that a team with all the great pitchign they've had has flamed out in 10 of 11 poatseason appearances and only beat a mediocre Indians team in '95. Christ the Yanks handed them the first two in '96 and they couldn't get it done with a handicap.

[Guest Downhome]

There isn't a discussion, the 1994 season basicly didn't even count.

[Guest treble charged]

Well, I don't nescessarily agree that there were no division champions in '94, but that's likely my bias talking. I also have trouble with just saying that '94 never happened (in one sense) since stats accumulated in '94 aren't wiped from the records, why should the final standings be completely forgotten?

[Guest ISportsFan]

...why should the final standings be completely forgotten?

The 1994 standings shouldn't be counted since they weren't final. There was still a ton of season left to be played.

 

Jason

[Guest treble charged]

Well, individual statistics weren't final, either, yet there are still home run champions, batting champions, ERA champions, etc. from the 1994 season.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"Bob Hamelin"

 

Wasn't he some portly guy with glasses and played for the Royals? If so, I'm curious now as to his whereabouts...

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Well, individual statistics weren't final, either, yet there are still home run champions, batting champions, ERA champions, etc. from the 1994 season.

Outside of the board, every so called expert has given the '94 Expos the World Championship. I'd say most people would call the Expos the NL East champions.

[Guest Some Guy]

"Bob Hamelin"

 

Wasn't he some portly guy with glasses and played for the Royals? If so, I'm curious now as to his whereabouts...

He was. "Hammerin'" Bob Hamelin.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hamelbo01.shtml

 

He lasted 6 years and flamed out apparently. I do remember him on the Royals and Tigers, but he wasn't anything special.

[Guest CanadianChris]

Exactly. If there were postseason awards, then the standings did count in some sense.

[Guest treble charged]

Yeah, I mean, you never hear anyone dispute Greg Maddux winning the Cy Young that year (for example), even though Ken Hill was having a very good year with the Expos that year and could have concievably finished the season off better than Maddux did, yet the '94 Cy Young is part of Maddux's however-many in a row that he won.

[Guest alkeiper]

Yeah, I mean, you never hear anyone dispute Greg Maddux winning the Cy Young that year (for example), even though Ken Hill was having a very good year with the Expos that year and could have concievably finished the season off better than Maddux did, yet the '94 Cy Young is part of Maddux's however-many in a row that he won.

 

No way Hill challenges Maddux. Maddux had a full run of ERA over anyone else in the entire league.

[Guest treble charged]

I was mostly just being hypothetical with that situation, as I could remember Hill having a good season and it's possible (if not probable) that he could have finished off the year better than Maddux did and taken the Cy Young.

[Guest bravesfan]

Major League Baseball should have no authority on the 1994 awards. They should not be able to recognize divisional champs, wildcard champs and anything beyond that.

 

Baseball writers, analysts and commentators, among others, decide who the individual awards should go to. Frankly, I have no problem with Golden Gloves, ROTY's and Cy Youngs being handed out; they should be recognized by most fans and recognized by MLB, if they so desire.

[Guest newblood03]

I heard if they would have finished the season that Griffey,Thomas and some others would have broke the HR record in 1994? is thsi true

[Guest bravesfan]

I heard if they would have finished the season that Griffey,Thomas and some others would have broke the HR record in 1994? is thsi true

 

In 111 games, Griffey had 40 HR's with 90 RBI, batting .323./.674/.402.

 

In 113 games, Thomas had 38 HR's with 101 RBI, batting .353/.729/.487.

 

If I remember correctly, Griffey was on pace to hit 63, while Thomas had the Triple Crown in his grasp. In the stat department, he only had to worry about:

 

--Belle's 101 RBI. (even)

--Carter's 108 RBI. (-7)

--Griffey's HR total. (-3)

--Molitor's rising .341 average. (+.012)

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Jeff Bagwell had the best numbers that year.

 

.368 39 hr's 116 rbi's 104 runs .451 OB .750 slugging. A sure fire triple crown threat if not for Tony Gwynn's .394 average.

 

Matt Williams was on pace to tie Maris's hr record.

[Guest bravesfan]

A sure fire triple crown threat if not for Tony Gwynn's .394 average.

 

That was also the year where Gwynn promised to hit .400. That's a damn shame.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

That would of been fun to see if he could of done it. Even for Tony Gwynn it would of been really difficult.