Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 Stolen from brutalbutchershoppe.com. They have t-shirts and other things too. Axl Rotten and Nate Webb are with the IWA-MS team (Ian Rotten, Corporal Robinson, J.C. Bailey). It's believed that Webb will be the fourth entrant into the Extreme 8, but it isn't certain. Someone like Pondo or Rollin' Hard might be there and hidden or something. Side note: Better be Webb. Webb/Mondo in TOD will r0x0rz CZW Tag Team Championships: Backseat Boys d. Ruckus & Sonjay Dutt. Kashmere knocks Ruckus out of the ring with a belt shot, allowing the Backseats to hit a T-Gimmick on Sonjay for the victory. Chri$ Ca$h d. GQ, Jon Dahmer, Z-Barr in a four-way. Cash with a top rope cutthroat suplex on GQ for the win. Dahmer and Barr worked most of the match. Adam Flash/Ian Knoxx d. Niles Young/Jude. Flash hit a piledriver and Knoxx a pumphandle slam for the win. IWA chants are killing the CZW ones apparently. First deathmatch is Corporal Robinson vs. Deranged, Barbed Wire Boards & Tables Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 Corporal Robinson d. Deranged, Barbed Wire Boards & Tables. Corp. Robinson wins with a Russian Legsweep off the apron through a barbed wire board. Deranged at the start of the match is drop toe-holded through a barbed wire board. Corp. is suplexed through the other board. Lot of brawling on the outside, some suplexes on the concrete. Deranged, did NOT throw up during the match.... Corp. goes on to TOD! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 Fans bring the Weapons is Next! A lot of light tubes! Barbed Wire Wrapped Crutch... Computer Monitor.... Wiffle Ball Bat Covered in Tacks.... Cross of Tubes.... Framed Picture with "IWA Sucks" in tacks written on it... A Mop shaft wrapped in tubes.... 5-Way Gauntlet Elimination... Bishop Slade out first.... 5 way gauntlet elimination? What in the hell? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 5 Man Gauntlet Elimination: Fans Bring The Weapons. Bishop Slade out first.... Van Hughes (?) out next... match already underway. I have no clue who this Hughes guy is, likely just cannon fodder for the IWA boys.... Hughes is already eliminated, Slade apparently sold nothing... and it wasn't a pretty sight. Necro Butcher is out next. At least Necro shows the fuck up. Him coming out this early means that he might not win though. If Necro isn't at TOD2 I'm eating ShooterJay's soul. I mean it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gangsteruwa Report post Posted June 28, 2003 I kind of wish the fans would just cheer for the hometown boys. Sure IWA MS kicks all kinds of ass, but c'mon...give props to CZW at their show. I thought the idea was for IWA to be the heels anyways. Damn Smarks!! haha, j/k. Sounds pretty cool so far...well as cool as things can get from reading results. I agree, Webb vs. Mondo at TOD in a deathmatch environment would definately rule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 (edited) 5 Man Gauntlet Elimination: Bishop Slade d. Van Hughes, Necro Butcher d. Bishop Slade, Necro Butcher d. Axl Rotten, Necro Butcher d. "Spyder" Nate Webb; Fans Bring The Weapons Bishop Slade out first.... Van Hughes (?) out next... match already underway. I have no clue who this Hughes guy is, likely just cannon fodder for the IWA boys.... Hughes is already eliminated, Slade apparently sold nothing... and it wasn't a pretty sight. Necro Butcher is out next. Slade is eliminated by two chair shots to the face. Slade did nothing but hit people with tubes. Axl Rotten is out next. Butcher eliminates Rotten with a drop-toe-hold onto a barbed wire chair. Axl busted out some scizzors and cut on Butcher and cut Butcher's tongue with a piece of glass. A lot of feuding "IWA" and "CZW" chants from the crowd. Nate Webb is out to finish it off... Necro Butcher wins a spot in the TOD by pinning Webb after a Powerbomb onto a coffee table covered in light tubes and a stop sign covered in light bulbs. Intermission.... Brief run down of the events so far.... Necro Butcher and Corp. Robinson have earned spots in the Tournament of Death. Zandig cut a promo giving Necro an invitation to CZW and Necro accepted and they hugged... ahhh. Dammit, no Webb. This leaves Ian, Insanity, and Bailey for the Extreme 8. Feh? We've got two more matches, and three people? Teh fuck? Ian Knoxx is said to have dislocated his shoulder. And due to Necro advancing to TOD2, ShooterJay's soul is safe. Edited June 28, 2003 by Sandman9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 J.C. Bailey vs. "Mr. Insanity" Toby Klein, Unlucky 13 Staple Gun Match. Bailey better win. I wanna see him at TOD2. But I got a feeling it'll be Klein. This also leaves Ian with no one to face. Which means that some kind of swerve is gonna happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 J.C. Bailey d. "Mr. Insanity" Toby Klein, Unlucky 13 Staple Gun match (First person to staple 13 dollar bills to their opponent wins. I think). Bailey wins after stapling a dollar to Mr. Insanity's head and then hurricuranning(sp?) him off the top rope. Bailey got a dollar stapled to his tongue. Bailey at one point was knocked off the top rope, through a bunch of chairs and light tubes on the floor. J.C. Bailey goes on to TOD. YES! Bailey in TOD2, along with Necro! ::Does giddy dance of happiness:: Now, it's down to whatever swerve happens with Ian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 Show sounds good so far, but what was with that 5-Way match? Defeats the perpose of being an "Extreme 8" Anyway, Looks like SmartMarkvideo will be taking all my money once again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 No swerve, it's just Lowlife Louie Ramos vs. Ian Rotten, Barbed Wire Bats & Thumbtack Bats. It's been a long time since the announcement of the match on BBS.com, so either it segued directly into Zandig/Gage vs. Messiah/Hatred, or something else is happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 Bailey got a dollar stapled to his tongue. That's one thing I think CZW and sometimes (but not as much) IWA-MS goes too far with. In no form whatsoever is that wrestling. At least when New Jack jumps off a balcony or cuts somebody with a sickle, he does it with style, and at least the bumps from earlier in this match were wrestling moves (huracanranas, for example) onto weapons. That's just utterly fucked up, but I do envy them for being able to take that shit, but at the same time, they're risking life by doing that. One can take a rana onto thumbtacks and take precautions not to die. Unless they completely fake it, it's luck that determines if one survives when they're tongue is stapled, since the tongue bleeds more than just about any other bodily organ and it's not utterly uncommon to hear of someone dying from getting their tongue seriously cut. And it sucks that Webb didn't win. He vs. Mondo would've been awesome to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 Well, the tongue and feet are the new "popular" things to mutiliate, at least in the U.S. I believe Necro started it when he started having his shirt stapled to his tongue, and it's elevated since there, with Bailey regularly having a dollar bill staple to his tongue (It happened at the MAW Hardcore Cup this year, vs. Corp, and Bailey wrestled the match with the dollar bill attached to his tongue and it'll probably happen at TOD and KODM) and the "cutting the tongue with the broken tube" spot that happened to Necro tonight and happened to Ian at the Hardcore Cup. Feet, well, the barefoot thumbtack matches that have happened in IWA and again at this years MAW Hardcore Cup, along with staple guns to the feet. It may not be wrestling, but in a deathmatch, people don't pay to see two guys exchange wristlocks anyway. It's all about raising the bar in the amount of pain you're willing to take. As for Bailey, dude's already got a pierced tongue, so he must like having it violated again and again. Of course, when your gimmick is "19 year old with a death wish,".... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 28, 2003 Apparently the PBP was just continued in a different thread. D'oh. Ian Rotten d. Lowlife Louie Ramos, Barbed Wire Baseball Bats & Thumbtack Bats Deathmatch. Ian at the start of the match cut a promo entering Louie into IWA-MS's KOTDM Tournament. He then told Louie since he was so gracious to give him the night off and leave, Louie disagreed and cranked Ian in the head with a thumbtack bat. From then on Ian beat this shit out Louie. Ian wins with Double Arm DDT. Zandig & Nick Gage d. Messiah & Nate Hatred, Barbed Wire-wrapped Ropes & Barbed Wire Boards. Messiah and Hatred brought light tubes with them to the ring... Gage/Zandig win after Gage frogsplash. In the middle of the match the IWA guys run out and attack Zandig, Necro comes out to make the save, but turns on Zandig and rejoins the IWA-MS guys. Zandig, Nick Gage, J.C. Bailey, Necro Butcher, Corp. Robinson, and Ian Rotten are all in this year's Tournament of Death! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted June 29, 2003 Yeah, but there's a difference between wristlocks and mutilation. Mondo/Messiah got over in EPIC by bleeding buckets, but putting on a solid wrestling match in the process. Hell, I'm fine with having a guy cut another dude open with light tubes - I've seen it plenty of times and I've seen it done in many ways, but htere's more than one way to do it. Instead of just braeking a pane of glass over a guy's head, why not have the guy get punched by the other guy, the othery guy takes the pane, but when he turns his back, his oppoennt superkicks it into his face. Or house about cutting the guy open with the pane by piledriving him on it? I know this has all been done in death matches, including in CZW, and it's how Kanemura, Yamakawa, Honma, etc. converted garbage death matches like Pogo/Onita into matches that had some wrestling in them. Instead of just staple gunning a dude's forehead, have his opponent hold the staple gun against his forehead and then forearm it into his head. Every promotion that uses death matches usually use wrestling moves within them, not just straight out mutilation - they use wrestling to actually execute the mutilation. "As for Bailey, dude's already got a pierced tongue, so he must like having it violated again and again. Of course, when your gimmick is "19 year old with a death wish,"...." LOL I'm looking forward to seeing the tape and seeing Zandig and Messiah finally square off, since they haven't wrestled since Messiah's CZW debut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 29, 2003 Me thoughts on de show. No big surprises in terms of Extreme 8 winners and who is in the TOD itself. Although I too question the logic of that whole 5 man gauntlet thing, and Lowlife Louie himself. I'm guessing that Louie and that other guy were booked before the whole IWA-MS angle began, and just got tossed in there. As for Axl, I'm guessing Ian wanted him to have another payday. Show drew 300, which is good considering it was really only started to be promoted two weeks ago, although the IWA-MS invasion angle really kick-started everything off. Necro turning on CZW (already, that didn't take long) and joining the IWA-MS side might mean that Necro will be #16 into the IWA-MS KODM, which would be swank. I've also heard Zandig and Homicide for spot #16 as well, so who knows. In terms of violence, it sounded good, can't be too violent or else it would overshadow the KODM, aside from the FBTW weapons match, everything sounded about right. I'm guessing the first round gimmicks for TOD will be the same, save FBTW. Overall, sounds like a good show. TOD2 should be insane, and my issue with my ride down better be solved soon so I can go. Delaware or Bust. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nevermortal Report post Posted June 29, 2003 Zandig, Nick Gage, J.C. Bailey, Necro Butcher, Corp. Robinson, and Ian Rotten are all in this year's Tournament of Death! Who'll be the other two entrants? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted June 29, 2003 Zandig, Nick Gage, J.C. Bailey, Necro Butcher, Corp. Robinson, and Ian Rotten are all in this year's Tournament of Death! Who'll be the other two entrants? Not sure, but I think it's pretty save to assume that Nick Mondo will be one of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted June 29, 2003 Speaking of Mondo, why wasn't he on the show? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Joe Mama Report post Posted June 29, 2003 That's one thing I think CZW and sometimes (but not as much) IWA-MS goes too far with. In no form whatsoever is that wrestling. At least when New Jack jumps off a balcony or cuts somebody with a sickle, he does it with style, and at least the bumps from earlier in this match were wrestling moves (huracanranas, for example) onto weapons. That's just utterly fucked up, but I do envy them for being able to take that shit, but at the same time, they're risking life by doing that. One can take a rana onto thumbtacks and take precautions not to die. Unless they completely fake it, it's luck that determines if one survives when they're tongue is stapled, since the tongue bleeds more than just about any other bodily organ and it's not utterly uncommon to hear of someone dying from getting their tongue seriously cut. in case you didnt know, the toungue is the fastest healing muscle in the human body. sure it will hurt like hell when it gets stapples but it will be completely fine an hour or so later, probably even sooner, so you're wrong about the whole dieing from a cut toungue thing. and while i'm at it, i dont think you or anyone else here should really be staking claims to what is or isnt wrestling, it may not be your cup of teat but it still falls under the broad category that is prowrestling. now if 2 guys went out there and sat in the ring knitting then you'd have an arguement, but it sounds like these guys went out there and had a fight and thats fine by me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 29, 2003 Yeah, but there's a difference between wristlocks and mutilation. Mondo/Messiah got over in EPIC by bleeding buckets, but putting on a solid wrestling match in the process. Hell, I'm fine with having a guy cut another dude open with light tubes - I've seen it plenty of times and I've seen it done in many ways, but htere's more than one way to do it. Instead of just braeking a pane of glass over a guy's head, why not have the guy get punched by the other guy, the othery guy takes the pane, but when he turns his back, his oppoennt superkicks it into his face. Or house about cutting the guy open with the pane by piledriving him on it? I know this has all been done in death matches, including in CZW, and it's how Kanemura, Yamakawa, Honma, etc. converted garbage death matches like Pogo/Onita into matches that had some wrestling in them. Instead of just staple gunning a dude's forehead, have his opponent hold the staple gun against his forehead and then forearm it into his head. Every promotion that uses death matches usually use wrestling moves within them, not just straight out mutilation - they use wrestling to actually execute the mutilation. "As for Bailey, dude's already got a pierced tongue, so he must like having it violated again and again. Of course, when your gimmick is "19 year old with a death wish,"...." LOL I'm looking forward to seeing the tape and seeing Zandig and Messiah finally square off, since they haven't wrestled since Messiah's CZW debut. The spots you're suggesting are involving a person's face, and the face is usually what wrestlers, including deathmatch ones, always try to protect. Last thing a person needs is to have glass go into their eyes, and by having a pane of glass or lighttubes superkicked into their face. Even with the tree of woe dropkick spot, where the bulbs are in front of someone's face, the attackers feet go to the outside of the victim's head, which (in theory) causes the glass to break away from the person's face. As with the staple gun, have you used one? (In general, not on a person) Those things require a good squeeze in order to have the staple come out. It requires enough pressure and the gun itself is thin enough so that doing something fancy with it (forearming the staple gun, headbutting the staple gun, Shining Wizarding the staple gun) isn't possible. That's why the wrestlers staple different parts of the body, instead of being fancy with the way they staple. And I agree with you on the wrestling-in-a-deathmatch point. There is a reason why that Mondo/Messiah match is highly regarded, and how the two Honma/Yamakawa matches are regarded by classics, even by those who don't regularly watch deathmatches. Even Chris Coey (Jubuki here before he rightfully got his ass canned) like Honma/Yamakawa, and he doesn't like anything, it appears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sturgis Report post Posted June 29, 2003 Show drew 300, which is good considering it was really only started to be promoted two weeks ago, although the IWA-MS invasion angle really kick-started everything off. I went down to Rack's a couple of weeks ago(to see how to get there) and there's some construction going on there closing part of lot which should explain the small crowd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 29, 2003 Mondo wasn't there because of the same reason B-Boy and other regulars weren't there: they weren't needed. CZW also saves money by not flying them into the show. Since Mondo and B-Boy will be flown in next month possibly twice (CZW runs VH on July 20th, then TOD2 on the 26th, I dunno if either will go home and come back), and at least once, it's money CZW can save. Also, with Mondo not wrestling at TorC, I'm guessing he might be injured. As for Racks, the parking isn't an issue, since it's been brought up ever since the three Dover shows weren't announced. People know that there are other places they can park, such as Dover Downs, the Wendy's or McDonald's nearby, there is a mall nearby, plenty of places that are allowing fans to park and walk to the show. 300 is a good number due to the fact that there was really only two weeks of hype for a show that had been announced for over a month, and several aspects of the show were either not announced (match brackets) or announced in the past week. TOD2 will draw significantly more, at least double that crowd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted June 29, 2003 CZW also saves money by not flying them into the show. Since Mondo and B-Boy will be flown in next month possibly twice (CZW runs VH on July 20th, then TOD2 on the 26th, I dunno if either will go home and come back), and at least once, it's money CZW can save. Unless something is changed B-Boy won't be at TOD2... since he's booked for PWG that same day. Which does makes sense, No need to fly people out when they aren't really needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 29, 2003 With the NYC bus trip to TOD2, a Q&A session with HIV, including B-Boy, is listed. Hence, I'm assuming that B-Boy will be at TOD2, even though he really won't be needed at the show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted June 29, 2003 With the NYC bus trip to TOD2, a Q&A session with HIV, including B-Boy, is listed. Hence, I'm assuming that B-Boy will be at TOD2, even though he really won't be needed at the show. You're probably right since PWG posted something about "cancelations of wrestlers in previously announced matches" which could mean B-Boy. Which is probably a good thing, since I think I actually enjoy B-Boy more on tape with CZW than live in SoCal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest j.o.b. squad Report post Posted June 29, 2003 the show was pretty good as far as the extra guys hense the 5 person gauntlet zandig cut a promo saying that he had a few more then 8 guys but that he was about opertunity. my pane of stained glass was not used i am now 0 and 5 in fbtw matches anyway mireno is no dennis shock in the tag title opener sonjay and ruckus puled off some nice double team sequences good for their 2nd match as a team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ShooterJay Report post Posted June 29, 2003 And due to Necro advancing to TOD2, ShooterJay's soul is safe. Whew. Great, that was a close one. Now if you could just send me the 5 bucks you owe me then we'll be set. Majorly disapponted with no Nate Webb at TOD, but the lineup still looks great so far. Possible #8 entries: Pondo? Iceberg? Homeless Jimmy? Altar Boy Luke? Webb gets a second try? Homicide? Discuss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EMAXSAUN Report post Posted June 29, 2003 I was going to go to this but I went to ROH tonight. It r0xx0red Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucharesuFan619 0 Report post Posted July 2, 2003 That's one thing I think CZW and sometimes (but not as much) IWA-MS goes too far with. In no form whatsoever is that wrestling. At least when New Jack jumps off a balcony or cuts somebody with a sickle, he does it with style, and at least the bumps from earlier in this match were wrestling moves (huracanranas, for example) onto weapons. That's just utterly fucked up, but I do envy them for being able to take that shit, but at the same time, they're risking life by doing that. One can take a rana onto thumbtacks and take precautions not to die. Unless they completely fake it, it's luck that determines if one survives when they're tongue is stapled, since the tongue bleeds more than just about any other bodily organ and it's not utterly uncommon to hear of someone dying from getting their tongue seriously cut. in case you didnt know, the toungue is the fastest healing muscle in the human body. sure it will hurt like hell when it gets stapples but it will be completely fine an hour or so later, probably even sooner, so you're wrong about the whole dieing from a cut toungue thing. and while i'm at it, i dont think you or anyone else here should really be staking claims to what is or isnt wrestling, it may not be your cup of teat but it still falls under the broad category that is prowrestling. now if 2 guys went out there and sat in the ring knitting then you'd have an arguement, but it sounds like these guys went out there and had a fight and thats fine by me. "in case you didnt know, the toungue is the fastest healing muscle in the human body. sure it will hurt like hell when it gets stapples but it will be completely fine an hour or so later, probably even sooner, so you're wrong about the whole dieing from a cut toungue thing." No, I'm not. If your claim that it's the fastest heeling muscle is in fact correct, then something isn't right, seeing as how it's quite common for somebody who had their tongue cut out (dating back to ancient times) to die of blood loss. The tongue isn't the fastest heeling muscle in the body, dude. Believe me. It's one of the areas that bleed the most in the entire body. "CZW also saves money by not flying them into the show. " Thank you for finally proving my point that Jeff Strauch so often refuses the validity of - that Nick Mondo DOES in fact have to be flown in by CZW when he works its shows. "The spots you're suggesting are involving a person's face, and the face is usually what wrestlers, including deathmatch ones, always try to protect. Last thing a person needs is to have glass go into their eyes, and by having a pane of glass or lighttubes superkicked into their face. Even with the tree of woe dropkick spot, where the bulbs are in front of someone's face, the attackers feet go to the outside of the victim's head, which (in theory) causes the glass to break away from the person's face." T.O.D. '02 - Gage running boot scrapes a pane of glass into WBeater's face. It shatters up on impact. There is always going to be a chance of it going in their eyes, but seeing as how wrestlers have kicked panes into others' faces often, it's very possible to do a superkick and knock on into one's face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ShooterJay Report post Posted July 2, 2003 I'm pretty sure the glass used in that match was stuntman sugar glass, not a real pane. Don't quote me on that though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
