How would you bring back chris benoit?

[Guest nl5xsk1]

When Benoit is healthy and ready to return, how would you bring him back?  Heel or Face?  As a singles assassin or as part of a faction?

 

I'd like if if the WWF did NOTHING to hype his return; no big build-up like the Rock got.  No video montage like HHH got.  No announcing it a week in advance, like Austin is getting.

 

Just Benoit opening the show, coming down to the ring with a pissed off look on his face, and ranting on how the WWF hasn't done a damn thing for him, he's had to do everything through hard work and being the best damn wrestler in the federation.  And that starting that night he's going to prove his point the old-fashioned way: by kicking people's asses.  Not talking about it, just doing it.  (this way he doesn't have to do much mic time, which is obviously his weakest point)

 

It all builds up to a feud with the person who got all the smoke blown up his ass: HHH.  One on one, in a cage, for the title.  You could angle it as either a face HHH against a jealous Benoit, or as I'd do it, an ego-out-of-control HHH against a face Benoit.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I want him to come through the crowd and destroy Austin. Maybe have him wear his Wild Pegasus mask so nobody knows that it is him and then after he delivers a few Germans he could rip it off and spit on Austin.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Reform the 4-horsemen...reform the 4-horsemen!

 

Of course Benoit is on Vince's show...but that would be perfect.

 

They could be a face group representing Flair inside Vince's show.  They'd be a constant thorn in his side.

 

Now...without looking at who's on each side I think the new 4 horsemen should be Benoit, DDP, Raven and Saturn.

 

This could also set up a good feud between Benoit and Angle.  It could last a couple months, with Angle getting the first wins but Benoit would win the final big blow-off match and then go on to the world title scene!

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Raven, DDP, and Saturn!? WTF?! What do they have to do with the Horseman? They don't fit the Horseman mold. He needs a tag team and another good wrestler to form the Horseman. Maybe have a big guy as a monster.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

I like your thoughts on the WWF not building it up.  I'd have him cut promos on all the dinosaurs (Hogan, Hall, Nash) and talk aboot (his word) how he can outwrestle each and every one of them and will do it one at a time.

 

Or he can also come back and show footage of Benoit using his Germans and challenging him.

 

Or he can come back and challenge Jericho saying he carried him when they were tag champs and how Jericho was the one that went on to win the WWF title when it should have been him.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Raven, DDP, and Saturn?

 

They're all highly under-rated and talented workers.  DDP is a big guy and Raven/Saturn would make a good tag-team.

 

Besides...Saturn was already a horseman...wasn't he?

 

I think *my* horsemen sound a lot better than many past crappy versions...

[Guest nl5xsk1]

There really aren't enough "Horseman" type wrestlers anymore  for them to reform ... and if the Mongo era doesn't prove it, nothing will.  It takes more than just holding up the 4 fingers to be a Horseman.

 

One that I'd like to see is:

While I know he sucks in the ring, I'd like to see David Flair start a Horseman, as a leader of a group of heels trying to eradicate his father from wrestling.  He could show clips of old-school Flair matches, from the 80's and early 90's, and show parts of the promos where Flair talks about never being home for his family.  And David would say that it's time for revenge.  

 

Of course, I have no one else that could join the new Horsemen ... maybe Shane Douglas b/c of the real life heat, but I know VKM and the Clique all hate Douglas, so there's no chance of him coming back.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

More horseman revisionist history? Despite the crap Bisch tried to sell as the horseman (face stable representing WCW's "tradition") everyone knows that the glory days of the horseman were as a heel stable that beat the crap out of everyone and did whatever it took to protect Flair and the title.

 

I would bring Benoit back as a heel, which would give Smackdown Rock, Hogan, and Edge as its top faces with Angle, Benoit, and Jericho as its top heels. That's a pretty good face/heel balance, whereas making Benoit a face would put him at best 3rd in the pecking order, push down Edge who they are trying to build up, and leave the heel side of things somewhat weak.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Okay all you smart-asses...

 

...what makes Benoit, DDP, Saturn and Raven not horsemen material?

 

Mongo and David Flair?

 

So you have to suck shit to be a horseman?

[Guest spman]

I'd have him come out and rant about how he's been injured and how no one called him while he's injuired and no one cares. Then Brock Lesner comes out of no where and destroys him.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

One that I'd like to see is:

While I know he sucks in the ring, I'd like to see David Flair start a Horseman, as a leader of a group of heels trying to eradicate his father from wrestling.  He could show clips of old-school Flair matches, from the 80's and early 90's, and show parts of the promos where Flair talks about never being home for his family.  And David would say that it's time for revenge.  

Great idea.  I'd say one Paul Heyman, going back to the Paul E Dangerously name, as the manager.  Brock Lesnar as the new Enforcer.  Benoit as The Man.  William Regal and Lance Storm as the dominant Horsemen tag team.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Here's what I would do (if everything fell into place properly):

 

On Smackdown, Hogan and the Rock challenge Chuck and Billy for the tag titles. In the main event, Benoit and a partner (Scott Steiner or Chris Jericho would be my first choices) run out and destroy Rock and Hogan, allowing Chuck and Billy to get the win. This puts C&B over as the top team and then starts a big Benoit/someone vs. Rock/Hogan feud on the next show, either as a tag feud and/or a pair of singles feuds.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Uhhh...

 

...you want to bring back Benoit...

 

...and have him take orders from David Flair?

 

How the hell is *that* a good idea?

[Guest nl5xsk1]

About the whole Mongo thing, I said it's proof that there aren't good "Horsemen" anymore ... obviously I'm not condoning him as a Horseman; not then, not now, not EVER.

 

David Flair would be good only because of the angle behind it, him destroying the legacy of what his father did.  I fully admit he's not a Horseman in the line of Tully or AA or Ole.

 

The only Horseman that made any sense was the original ... Flair, Ole, Arn, and Tully (w/ JJ Dillon) ... no Lex, no Barry, no Sid, no Hiro Matsuda, or any of that other crap that they tried to pass off as Horsemen.

 

If Benoit starts a stable with DDP, Raven, and Saturn, fan-freaking-tastic, but don't call them the 4 Horsemen.  If we're just going to arbitrarily pick old-school stables to re-form, then let's call the 4 of them Devastation Inc. and bring back General Skandor Akbar to manage them.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Well...here's the problem.

 

Most fans don't give a flying fuck about the ancient history of the original Horsemen.

 

All they know is the name, which can help get them over.

 

The 4 people I named are 4 of the best workers in the WWF and would make a damn good stable.  I don't see how they can tarnish the already very tarnished Horsemen name...

[Guest Mik at Cornell]

Back to the original topic of how to bring back Benoit...

 

I was thinking about this at the gym today, and I think it would be a good idea to give it a Tazz treatment. Except don't make it obvious it's Benoit. Kinda like a claw slash across the titan tron (for rabid wolverine) but also don't make it last too long.

 

Then HHH and Vince somehow get into a disagreement and Vince says he has punishment for HHH, he turns around to be punked out and put in the crossface. Vince comes in to gloat and Benoit lays him out to and says that he doesn't need help from anyone because he is going straight to the top whether vince likes it or not. And then maybe he can do that double snot thing on Vince.

 

Might be a little corny but I think it would get him over, huge at that.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I don't see how him taking out one of the top faces and the top heels will get him over. Stick with one and be done with it.

[Guest LooseCannon]

Well...here's the problem.

 

Most fans don't give a flying fuck about the ancient history of the original Horsemen.

 

All they know is the name, which can help get them over.

 

The 4 people I named are 4 of the best workers in the WWF and would make a damn good stable.  I don't see how they can tarnish the already very tarnished Horsemen name...

The problem is that the horsemen name is already so tarnished that no one cares about the stable anymore except smarks.

 

It's like the horsemen are the nWo for smarks.  Let the horsemen stay dead.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Hmmm...

 

...I think one of the mistakes a lot of you are making is having Benoit "cut promos".

 

Benoit can't cut promos (at least not good ones).

 

He needs to be in a feud where his wrestling can do all the talking...which is why I say he should be against Angle at first.  

 

He shouldn't go after Vince himself and HHH would never do the job for him.

 

Regular fans know the *name* "Horesmen".  They know it's Flair's stable...they just don't know the history.  Why keep it dead when you can revive it and wipe some of the shit off it's legacy?

[Guest Shaved Bear]

have benoit be used kinda as mcmahons personal killing machine kinda, hogan would annoy mcmahon, and leading to a blowoff where benoit just completely destroys all of hogans credibility, and hopefully this can happen in calgary per se, so the crowd would actually be happy to see this

 

...one can only hope

[Guest HartFan86]

1. The idea you had. He got no promotion for his return and wants to kill HHH.

 

2. Build Brock Lesnar as a fucking monster for 2 months, Benoit runs out during a match, puts on the crossface and makes him tap like a bitch. That way, Lesnar is actually "human" and Benoit is better than ever. Then, have those guys in a feud for however long.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I like the idea of bringing him out with no hype and have him play the bitter heel who resents the lack of attention he got while being gone. This would be a logical choice into a feud with HHH, and would make a good heel character for him to portray.

 

There's also the possibility of having him brought in as a face seeking revenge on Jericho for not carring about him while he was gone.

[Guest AM The Kid]

Run in through the crowd during a World Title match, kick the crap out of the champion when he's celebrating and hook on the crossface. Benoit wont let go of it, the refs finnally pull him off the champ but he ends up "injured". The next week Benoit beats Jericho too, breaking their trust. The following week the champion is back but once again Benoit finds him and attacks him again. Prompting the champion to start watching his back, the next week the champ comes off safe but carnage is left backstage. Benoit becomes a badass real Crippler and tears through the federation until the champion finnally decides to give him a title shot.

Benoit wins the title and holds it until around Survivor Series but just creates carnage throughout the federation as a monster heel that nobody can touch.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

I'd like them to use vague continuity. Benoit's last match was against Austin and Jericho. I'd have those two in a match, when suddenly Benoit runs out, and no one would be sure who he helps. Obviously, he would then have to attack Austin, and we could have ourselves a great Benoit-Austin feud.

 

All this is assuming Austin is on Smackdown, of course. If not, I'd have him keep sneaking up on HHH out of the shadows and cross facing him, then stalk off without saying a word. That would make him look strong and threatening without saying a word. Of course, HHH would probably never agree to that, as it might make him look less than super-human.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Heres the thing... 'hype' makes a guy seem bigger than he really is, no?  HHH got a TON of hype upon his return and I think it helped him.  Certainly he isnt one of the biggest 3 ever in Wwf history, but the Wwf tried to get that across.  Benoit needs that sort of elevation.  I would show a video montage of Benoits WHOLE career (well, if they can get ecw/njpw footage that would be great, but Wcw is just good enough).  It can show him being part of the horsemen, winning the Wcw title then having it stripped from him, ditto with his 2 false Wwf title wins where decisions were reversed and maybe even his matches vs Austin, Angle, and the TLCs.  Really build him up as the guy who can get the job done, who is intense as fuck, and who you (the fans) want to watch.

 

Then at Judgement Day have him come out to his Our Lady Peace theme, black pleather trench coat, grizzled up beard and BACK with the mullet.  Just have him powerbomb the shit out of wrestler x and wrestler y (perhaps lance storm and whoever he would face) and wreak all sorts of havoc, flash the 4, do the throat cut, get on the mic and say 'damn it feels good to be back'.

 

Then just promote him as the 'silent assassin', or 'silent but violent' and just say actions speak louder than words...

 

They could also play up a horsemen/judgement day/revelation connection, but I doubt that.

[Guest razazteca]

How about Beniot does a suprise apperance on Raw, declaring himself a free-agent, then later on the show Beniot & Paul E do a shoot on "Sports Entertainment".  Paul E says he has the cure for the nWo poison, and its Beniot & Brock.  They set up a match of Brock & Beniot vs Hall & X-Pac which would be a total squash win by Paul E boys.

[Guest dreamer420]

I would put Tazz on a treadmill for a month until he loses 20 pounds and then put him into a program with the returning Benoit, for a bad ass suplex feud.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Taz? Well that's a step down....

 

And Raven one of the best workers? Saturn one of the best workers? HUH!? Storm and Regal are both better workers and as someone suggested would make better Horseman. Hell even Christian.

[Guest Brian]

I'd like to see Benoit come back and massacre some people, but Lesnar did that. He'll probably take out Jericho since that's their "out" feud when they run out of ideas. It should be good, but both guys don't need each other.

[Guest X-Factor Corperation]

Reform the 4-horsemen...reform the 4-horsemen!

 

Of course Benoit is on Vince's show...but that would be perfect.

 

They could be a face group representing Flair inside Vince's show.  They'd be a constant thorn in his side.

 

Now...without looking at who's on each side I think the new 4 horsemen should be Benoit, DDP, Raven and Saturn.

 

This could also set up a good feud between Benoit and Angle.  It could last a couple months, with Angle getting the first wins but Benoit would win the final big blow-off match and then go on to the world title scene!

I like that idea.

 

I'd like to see him come back and be in a PPV main event for the title with Jericho and another guy.