Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Today, Lima gave up two hits to the Tigers in his fourth win. He's been a good starter and a good pickup for the Royals. LIMA TIME! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Hate to burst your bubble, but it's not going to last. He's still just Joe Bean, a head case whose best days (and fastball) are a few years behind him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2003 (edited) Lima's ERA after 5 starts and 32.1 innings is 3.06. Sure, he had three starts against the Indians and Tigers. He fared well against the Cardinals and Giants too. It even seems that his attitude is better. He always seems to be around the top of the dugout on the days he isn't pitching. Lima of 2003 is much different since he's playing for a winning team and there's alot of positive energy around. He's also using a slider. Lima's next start is on Saturday against the Rangers. We'll see if the Rangers and whatever big hitters they have left, could do anything to Lima. Every decent pitcher has a few bad years, and Lima is adjusting to Kauffman Stadium better than he adjusted to Enron Field or Comerica Park. At least in KC, most pop flies are outs. All in all, Lima was signed to be in Omaha, then he came up to fill in, now he looks like he might have a spot on a playoff team. All in all, not a bad season for Jose. Edited July 6, 2003 by Rob E Dangerously Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 Don't worry. Give him a couple years and he'll go back to being a whiny bitch. I stopped liking him in his last year with the Astros. I'm probably being a little harsh, but he got annoying real fast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 7, 2003 Hey Rob is that middle guy Berroa? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted July 7, 2003 Lima will fall on his face again in no time...it's what he does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 Hey Rob is that middle guy Berroa? Yeah.. he's in the running for the Rookie of the Year (although that'll be second place since they'll give it to Matsui, who is nowhere near a rookie) with Baldelli, MacDougal and probably some other guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 (edited) from CNN/SI ""You know I went to the independent league. I worked hard to redeem myself," said the free-spirited Lima. "I went up there (Newark) to go back to the old times when Lima won 37 games in two years (1998-99). I worked with Pete Filson (at Newark). He helped me a lot to finish my pitches because I was guiding most of my pitches before. I was leaving everything up." (Desi) Relaford noted Lima's attitude also benefits the rest of the team. "Anytime you've got a guy like him in the clubhouse, a guy that likes to have fun, laughs a lot, he's a good person and everybody definitely feeds off him," Relaford said." and from the KC Star ( http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascityst...tar/6247164.htm ): "Lima has a fine time in beating Tigers By DICK KAEGEL The Kansas City Star Jose Lima's insides were bubbling like a bottle of champagne that had just been shaken by King Kong. He was about to explode out of his Royal blue socks. This was Lima payback time. He wanted to send a message back to Detroit, special delivery to Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski, the guy who sent Lima packing last September. So pumped and primed was Lima that he almost popped his cork in a chaotic first inning on Sunday. But, at the end of a hot afternoon at Kauffman Stadium, Lima and the Royals possessed a 5-3 victory over Dombrowski's Detroiters. The win put the Royals in a position they have not experienced in nearly 23 years. They lead the American League Central by 31/2 games over the Minnesota Twins. That's the biggest lead the Royals have held this late in a season since Oct. 5, 1980, when they finished first by 13 games and wound up in the World Series. On Sunday, Lima ran his record to 4-0. The Royals have won all five games he's started since being rescued from the Newark Bears of the independent Atlantic League. Yet, as the sun boiled down, Lima wasn't sure if he'd last even two innings. "I was jumping all over the place," he said. "I wanted to throw 100 miles per hour. I know I don't throw 100 miles per hour but I'm glad after that inning I calmed down and made some quality pitches." In the first, a single and three walks forced in a run. But Lima snarled that traffic with his 31st pitch, getting Craig Monroe to roll out. Royals manager Tony Pena cornered Lima, whom he's known since he caught him as a teen-ager in the Dominican Winter League. "After that first inning," Lima said, "people thought I was arguing with him but he was telling me, `Settle down, settle down. Try to do the best you can and don't get too excited.' " After that, Lima gave up just one more hit -- Eric Munson's solo homer -- and two walks. Over seven innings, the Tigers got just two hits against him. He had proven something to "somebody." And who was that somebody? "Dombrowski," Lima said. "Come on. He released me last year without me doing nothing. I didn't hurt nobody, I didn't do drugs, I didn't kill nobody. I just want to pitch and I spent 43 days without pitching in the bullpen like I was nobody. "Sometimes it was 14-0 with two out in the ninth inning and they'd call and say, `Lima, get up.' Come on, respect me. I won 20 games in the big leagues. I didn't win it by accident. I mean, it's not that we were going in the playoffs over there. We lost 100 games last year." Matter of fact, so did the Royals. And, in a neat twist, they are running amok in the AL Central while the Tigers are even worse than last year. (...) When Royals reliever Jason Grimsley let in a run and had the bases loaded in the eighth, newcomer Curtis Leskanic was summoned and struck out Matt Walbeck to quash the threat. All-Star closer Mike MacDougal reeled off a perfect ninth and Lima was a unblemished 4-0. By then, Lima was a wreck. "My heart in the ninth inning was going like I was going to cry," he said. "You know like when a little boy gets a toy? That was me." So now he's proven something to Dombrowski and to the Royals as well. That call to Newark certainly was worth it. "They made the right phone call," Lima said. "I'm here at the right place at the right time."" and a bit more -- "I didn't win 20 games (at Houston) by accident. But (general manager Dave) Dombrowski wanted to get rid of me. He wanted to ruin my career." An Associated Press story reported that the Tigers sent a memo to big league teams that Lima was a bad influence in the clubhouse. Royals manager Tony Pena grins when informed of that report. "I want someone like Lima in my clubhouse," said Pena, who was Lima's catcher in the pitcher's first year of winter ball. "He talks, he dances, he has fun but when you give him the ball, he is all business. 'Lima Time' has been a very good time in Kansas City." -- Edited July 7, 2003 by Rob E Dangerously Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 7, 2003 32 Innings, 13 Walks, 12 Strikeouts. Give him time, he's going to come back to earth. As for Berroa for RotY, don't forget that fellow Royal MacDougal is also eligible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 Yeah, the walks/strikeout ratio isn't that great. Although from the first start, his ERA has gone down after every start. Busch Stadium, I'm not sure if it's more for the pitchers or the hitters, but Lima gave up four hits and two runs there. The Indians offense, while sterile, isn't to be derided, they got 10 hits in 2 games (5 each) and 3 runs (1 in the first, 2 in the second) Big concerns: Can Lima control how many HRs he's gives up? All three were given up at Kauffman Stadium. I think they were all solo shots, but I forget if Bonds hit a solo shot. Sure, he's a fly ball pitcher and if you look it up, you can see that he was giving up alot of home runs in the AstroDome when he was winning 15 and 20 games. Lima in his best seasons was able to force more outs on groundballs than flyballs. Right now, he has more flyballs (47 to 42). Yesterday, the count was 11 flyballs and 4 groundballs. Also, Lima's hit more batters in five starts (3) than he hit in 1999 (2). Lima didn't seem to give up runs as easily as Chris George or Brad Voyles. One run scored on a bases-loaded walk and the other on a home run. Lima's also good since he can go over 100 pitches, which in an organization that has to use the bullpen due to young starters and pitch counts, is pretty useful. Lima doesn't like Dombrowski though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted July 7, 2003 Can't fault the Tigers for dumping Lima though. Even though they're the shits as a team his ERA was at something like 8 when he left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 (edited) Yeah, it wasn't a bad move to cut Lima loose last year. He was clearly unhappy. Although in Kansas City, Lima seems to be catching on. KC's last 76 games go like this Chicago - 13 Detroit - 10 Anaheim - 9 Texas - 9 Minnesota - 9 Tampa Bay - 7 Cleveland - 6 New York - 6 Seattle - 4 Oakland - 2 Arizona - 1 (if needed) -- and the last three weeks of the season go like this in KC. 6 games against Cleveland, 7 games against Detroit and 7 games against Chicago (including the last four games of the season). If the race comes down to Twins/Royals, some people in Minnesota might be unhappy that their last three weeks won't include one game with the Royals. Twins: 7 against the ChiSox, 6 against the Indians and 7 against the Tigers. The ChiSox's last three weeks: 7 against the Twins, 7 against the Royals, 3 against the Red Sox, 3 against the Yankees. --- With the injuries in KC, I'm calling for Benny Hinn to take a job to see what he can do. Edited July 7, 2003 by Rob E Dangerously Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bosstones Fan Report post Posted July 7, 2003 Detroit - 10 Texas - 9 Tampa Bay - 7 Wow...26 games against those teams down the stretch is like a gift from God. The Royals should say a thousand and one "Hail Marys". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 Detroit - 10 Texas - 9 Tampa Bay - 7 Wow...26 games against those teams down the stretch is like a gift from God. The Royals should say a thousand and one "Hail Marys". It's sorta balanced. These are some stretches for KC. From July 25th to August 10th. Three with Detroit, then Chicago, then the D-Rays, the White Sox and the D-Rays. 16 games. Then a 12 game stretch with the Yankees and Twins (11th to 24th) And 12 games with the Rangers and Angels. All in all, the Royals last 20 are against the three teams that they played their first 17 against (going 14-3) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted July 7, 2003 In 2002 he picthed 68.1 innings for the Tigers and gave up 60 runs and had a 7.77 ERA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 8, 2003 In 2002 he picthed 68.1 innings for the Tigers and gave up 60 runs and had a 7.77 ERA. It didn't help Lima that the Tigers sucked. Lima usually has a very good BB/K ratio (1994-2002 totals: 262 BB/763 K). He did recieve some big asswhuppings in 2002. 11 runs to the As in 2.2 IP (during the As huge winning streak) and 8 runs in 0.2 IP. Lima's BB/K ratio wasn't helped by pitching on the day that the home plate ump was Sam Holbrook. As I will mention in a future post, Holbrook is one of the umps with the lowest average rate of strikeouts per game (for both teams) and there were about 12 walks yesterday. Hey, you don't pick your judge. Although it's never easy to have such a small strikezone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted July 8, 2003 That dismal BB/K ratio and increasing flyball trend will eventually bite him in the ass. Lima doesn't have the gas to power the ball past hitters anymore, which, coupled with the increasing number of flyballs he allows, is going to cause him to get shelled in spectacular fashion at some point. The meltdown is coming. I was offered Lima at $2 in the money league and laughed at the silly blighter who dared mention Joe Bean in my presence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted July 8, 2003 Do you think the Royals would be willing to trade him to Toronto for say, Cory Lidle? He is a 10 game winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 8, 2003 Do you think the Royals would be willing to trade him to Toronto for say, Cory Lidle? He is a 10 game winner. What does Liddle make? If it's not much than probably. However I don't think that would be that great a trade for the Royals. Lidle hasn't won a game in what seems like ages, and when he was winning he wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 8, 2003 Treble, I seriously doubt Riccardi wants any part of Lima. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted July 8, 2003 I'm just sick of watching Lidle go out there and stink up the joint every start he makes, it seems. Ah, I long for the good ol' days of May... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 8, 2003 One of the calls in the 'Feedback in the KC Star' went like this: "Jose Lima is only concerned about reviving his career, not helping the team. Cut him now" Tom, stop calling the Kansas City Star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted July 8, 2003 Damnit, they weren't supposed to give out my name! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 8, 2003 Actually, they don't give out names. But you topped the guy who said that a messege was sent when 80,000 watched Nascar and 12,000 watched the Royals on Sunday. That messege? "We find cars going around in circles more exciting than first place baseball" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2003 Unless the Royals blow an 8-0 lead, Lima is on his way to a 5-0 record. 7 shirtless men and a woman in a bikini top were spotted at the Ballpark in Arlington with 'LIMA TIME' on their chests. And the Rangers people appear to have ushered them out of the park. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2003 Lima wins again. 5-0 and he did some weird 'patty-cake' looking thing with infielder (and fellow Dominican) Carlos Febles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 13, 2003 The Royals beat the red hot Rangers two straight. But, I thought they where playing so well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 26, 2003 The latest bit of Lima-tology, from the Kansas City Star Who was that tucked in a corner of the visiting clubhouse, holding court with about 10 Detroit reporters? Why, Jose Lima, of course. This was his first visit to Detroit, the club that unceremoniously released him last September. Pena wandered onto the scene, bat in hand. "Lima. What are you doing? We've got a meeting," Pena said. Pena kiddingly slammed the bat on a table for emphasis. Moments later, though, he returned after discovering the pitchers' meeting would not start for another 10 minutes. "It's OK, Lima. You've got time," Pena said. Lima is scheduled to pitch here Sunday, though that still remains a bit iffy because of his groin pull. If he does start, Lima vowed to take revenge on Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski. "When I come out the big door and go away with the win, I'm going to point up like I always do," Lima said, hoping that Dombrowski would be watching from his private box upstairs. "That'll be a slap in his face." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 26, 2003 Note to Jose Lima. You had a 7.77 ERA last year, and you gave up 12 home runs in 68 innings. Why the hell should the Tigers have kept you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
