Guest cpac Report post Posted July 14, 2003 I cant find a link right now but I heard on WFAN that Clemens is going to replace Barry Zito on the roster. Too bad the starters for the game aren't Clemens vrs. Willis. Old vrs. young a passing of the torch. What ratings are Loiza and Schmidt going to get???????????? At least Clemens and Willis adds a story to the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Lozia has the home town draw....but that means Jack shit to 98% of the rest of the country... Lozia had balls he would make like A-Rod and move over and let Clemens pitch one innning... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Fuck Clemens. Fuck Selig. Fuck Fox. They forced Barry Zito off the team. He isn't injured folks. He pitched yesterday but he did last year as well and appeared in the game and was quoted as saying he could go an inning. Dontrelle Willis pitched yesterday as well. And fuck ratings, I don't give two flying shits about what the east coast or Fox thinks we want to see. FUCK THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Lozia has the home town draw....but that means Jack shit to 98% of the rest of the country... Lozia had balls he would make like A-Rod and move over and let Clemens pitch one innning... You really think fans love and care about Roger Clemens like they did Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn? I woudln't even be shocked if he was booed. Also when has Clemens officially said this was his last year???? This 100% bullshit and I hope Clemens injures himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 14, 2003 I don't like the Guy is a good guy at all...I soundly consider him a prick... But for the sake of ratings....Clemens is better then an No-Name pitcher in Loazia... Yes...I know some one will stay "FUCK THE RATINGS" but MLB needs them and it won't get a market with Loazia... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cpac Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Very true Choken. The all star game is only about seeing the top stars and ratings. If baseball wanted to get better ratings they would have had Clemens vrs. Willis starting the game. What I dont understand is that in the past couple of years hall of famers who said they were going to retire were invited to the all star game. Ozzie Smith in 96, Ripken in 2001 and Tony Gwynn was invited to the game in 2001. How come Clemens who has said that he is going to retire not even invited to the game?????? They have to wait till monday before the game to get him in. Crazzzyyyyy!!!!!!!!!! Bored, sorry to tell you BUT MACHA YES A'S MANAGER KEN MACHA didn't want Zito pitching tommorow. Why should Zito waste a roster space if he isn't even going to play. People might hate Clemens but he does deserve to be there. This is the mans last year let him have one last HURRAH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cpac Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Also when has Clemens officially said this was his last year???? This 100% bullshit and I hope Clemens injures himself. Clemens has said in local NY interviews that this is 99.99999 percent his last year. He wants to retire and his team at home needs him. The guy has done everything in baseball. Fuck the ratings????? You know that Fox has given MLB a ton of money for this game. They are going to want to get the best rating possible. This is the all star game, they want to attract new fans and current fans for the game. It is all about money, can you blame them????? Even if I didn't root for the yankees, the thought of Clemens passing the torch to Willis would be interesting enough to watch the game.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Very true Choken. The all star game is only about seeing the top stars and ratings. If baseball wanted to get better ratings they would have had Clemens vrs. Willis starting the game. What I dont understand is that in the past couple of years hall of famers who said they were going to retire were invited to the all star game. Ozzie Smith in 96, Ripken in 2001 and Tony Gwynn was invited to the game in 2001. How come Clemens who has said that he is going to retire not even invited to the game?????? They have to wait till monday before the game to get him in. Crazzzyyyyy!!!!!!!!!! Bored, sorry to tell you BUT MACHA YES A'S MANAGER KEN MACHA didn't want Zito pitching tommorow. Why should Zito waste a roster space if he isn't even going to play. People might hate Clemens but he does deserve to be there. This is the mans last year let him have one last HURRAH. Uh again Zito pitched on Sunday last year and pitched in the game and told Joe Torre he could have pitched one full inning but Torre only let him pitch to one batter and indireclty caused the tie. Ripken was voted the starter in 2001 so doesn't count. Gwynn was an extra addition to the team and didn't play so again different situation. ALSO AGAIN WHEN HAS ROGER CLEMENS SAID THIS IS OFFICIALLY HIS LAST YEAR?????????????? Someone get me a fuckin direct quote that says it. Oh and not pitching? Hey what was all that shit about Roy Halladay not wanting to pitch in the game but he keeps his spot? Dontrelle Willis pitched yesterday but he gets to keep his spot? Oh wait he draws ratings because ever black person in America is gonna watch just because of Dontrelle Willis if you believe ESPN. Go get me a quote that says Macha didn't want him to pitch. Zito already said he could go an inning this year. Fuckin' 100% bullshit. Roger Clemens isn't even the most deserving pitcher on his team!!!!!! But its the Yankees players own fault they didn't Clemens or any other pitcher on the team because only half the Yankee players voted the least of any team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 14, 2003 What the fuck is with this WILLIS is the future bullshit... Pass the torch? Pass the torch to Zito. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 What the fuck is with this WILLIS is the future bullshit... Pass the torch? Pass the torch to Zito. Ya Willis has what 15 career starts if that? Zito has a Cy Young but is forced off the team. Hey Willis is forced off too for pitching yesterday then whatever I guess its a fair position to take but just to force off a guy so you can someone they perceive will draw ratings and get a good reaction is bullshit. Roger Clemens is not Tony Gwynn and he is not Cal Ripken when it comes to fan admiration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cpac Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Bored, seriously watch your language. You can get your point across just as easy without using the F Bomb every ten words. I know you have the right to say it on these boards but like I said it takes away from you getting your point across. Clemens said on a yes network interview with Michael Kay the voice for the N.Y. Yankees that he is done. He is 99.999 percent sure he is going to retire and that he wants to spend time with his family. MY point about clemens is that he even wasn't invited to the game until today, what is up with that. The guy has 6 cy youngs, 2 world series championships, an mvp, 300 wins and 4000 strike outs so far. He should have been invited. That is how you treat the Hall of Famers in my opinion. Maybe Zito isn't allowed to pitch this year because of Macha. Maybe he was allowed to pitch last year because of Art Howe. Maybe he wants the weekend off, who knows. Layoff the hate on Clemens! I don't remember hearing about him killing your mom and running over your dog. The guy was added because he is a hall of famer and deserves to be there in his last year. This should be a topic about him being added to the game not us fighting over why you hate him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 14, 2003 ^ Sosa is a 2 time Mvp. 3 Time Home Run Champion...Future Hall of Famer in his 500 homer season...In his fucking home town... How come no one is clamoring for him to play? Yeah he corked...Not like that makes him less then PrickWad Roger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 ^ Sosa is a 2 time Mvp. 3 Time Home Run Champion...Future Hall of Famer in his 500 homer season...In his fucking home town... How come no one is clamoring for him to play? Yeah he corked...Not like that makes him less then PrickWad Roger. Just like Clemens he didn't deserve to make the team. This isn't the All-Time Active Players Game, its the All-Star Game. Mike Mussina was a legit snub off the team and deserves to be on it more than Clemens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Bored, seriously watch your language. You can get your point across just as easy without using the F Bomb every ten words. I know you have the right to say it on these boards but like I said it takes away from you getting your point across. Clemens said on a yes network interview with Michael Kay the voice for the N.Y. Yankees that he is done. He is 99.999 percent sure he is going to retire and that he wants to spend time with his family. MY point about clemens is that he even wasn't invited to the game until today, what is up with that. The guy has 6 cy youngs, 2 world series championships, an mvp, 300 wins and 4000 strike outs so far. He should have been invited. That is how you treat the Hall of Famers in my opinion. Maybe Zito isn't allowed to pitch this year because of Macha. Maybe he was allowed to pitch last year because of Art Howe. Maybe he wants the weekend off, who knows. Layoff the hate on Clemens! I don't remember hearing about him killing your mom and running over your dog. The guy was added because he is a hall of famer and deserves to be there in his last year. This should be a topic about him being added to the game not us fighting over why you hate him. Treat a Hall of Famer? Isn't Clemens going to boycott it??? Clemens has been one of the biggest assholes to play the game and is generally not liked and not just by Red Sox fans. Oh also Clemens is one of the worst big game pitchers ever and a classic choke artist. Ya he's a great pitcher and a 1st ballot Hall of Famer (if he shows up) but he isn't the best ever and since when did every year MLB honor some guy for retiring? This was just a power play by Fox Sports and the usual cave job by Bud Selig to get Clemens on the team because of perceived ratings he'll draw. Gee I thought this game counted so I've been told that'll draw ratings by themselves? What a crock. Also please explain to me why Dontrelle Willis gets to keep his spot over Barry Zito with out using the word "ratings" or "draw"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cpac Report post Posted July 14, 2003 This is clemens last year that is why it's a big difference. Sosa got robbed and Zito was forced out of the game by his own manager not mlb, Sehlig or Fox. Both men have future opportunities. This will be one of Clemens last hurrah in his last 3-4 months of his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cpac Report post Posted July 14, 2003 You know BORED your right. Why should a guy with 300 wins, 4000 strikeouts, 6 cy youngs, 2 world series rings, 1 mvp and a member of the all century team be invited to the all star game in his last year. BASEBALL MUST HAVE SOME NERVE TO INVITE ONE OF THE BEST PITCHES OF OUR ERA TO THE ALL STAR GAME. May all of the suits at Fox and Bud Sehlig burn in hell for having some nerve. Bored your taking the all star game far too seriously. It is just an exhibition game!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Also please explain to me why Dontrelle Willis gets to keep his spot over Barry Zito with out using the word "ratings" or "draw"? How about "AL" and "NL?" They play for separate leagues. As for Clemens, forget the past accomplishments argument. He's a viable candidate based on this year alone. He LEADS THE LEAGUE IN STRIKEOUTS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 I can do it. Dontrelle Willis deserves to keep his spot over Barry Zito because in the first half of the 2003 MLB season... Wait for it... WILLIS IS THE BETTER PITCHER Besides. If Clemens was an NL pitcher he would have been added instead of Willis anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 I know they play for different leagues, by the way, I was just answering that statement head on. It's funny that he pisses all over how Clemens past accomplishments shouldn't factor in... ... ...and then goes on about everything Zito did...LAST YEAR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 14, 2003 You know BORED your right. Why should a guy with 300 wins, 4000 strikeouts, 6 cy youngs, 2 world series rings, 1 mvp and a member of the all century team be invited to the all star game in his last year. BASEBALL MUST HAVE SOME NERVE TO INVITE ONE OF THE BEST PITCHES OF OUR ERA TO THE ALL STAR GAME. May all of the suits at Fox and Bud Sehlig burn in hell for having some nerve. Bored your taking the all star game far too seriously. It is just an exhibition game!!!! This is all the All Star Game- Was Clemens one of the best pitchers this midseason? No. Therefore he shouldn't go in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Then fans shouldn't be allowed to vote either. They always pick people who don't belnong...and then start as a result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Who did they vote that didn't belong this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 They put Rolen on top of Lowell in the NL (which is criminal in my mind. Glaus is starting in the AL with numbers no better than Chavez (who didn't make it in any form) and worse than Mueller (who also didn't make it) and worse than Blalock (who like Lowell needed the non-fan help) and those are just 3rd base. Thankfully the Sosa/Pujols problem was avoided at the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 14, 2003 The fans shouldn't vote. As long has this game apparently means something. The fans shouldn't vote, and not every team should be represented. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 8-6 with a 3.68 ERA and zero shut outs and zero complete games = All-Star? Oooookaaaaay. If this had been any other pitcher besides Zito getting the shaft I would argue just as strong against Clemens although Zito IS having a better year than Clemens. Hell Tim Hudson has probably been the A's best pitcher this year. Now also if it had been Mike Mussina or Gil Meche taking Zito's spot I again would have no issue as they would be deserving and I even selected both to team in the All-Star voting topic over Zito. But the real issue here is Fox Sports said they wanted Clemens, Selig caved as usual, and Zito ends up getting the shaft by using the he pitched yesterday excuse. Yes because NO pitcher has ever pitched in All-Star game on two days rest. Nope, none. Oh and the Dontrelle Willis point is that someone on the NL should get his spot now if Zito has to give up his spot. No I'm not saying that's the way it should be but if they are gonna hide behind the pitched yesterday excuse then it shoud apply to all pitchers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 cpac, you kind of contradict yourself. If Clemens is more deserving than Zito because of his HOF-calibre career rather than their successes this year, then shouldn't Willis stay home and allow the NL to send Maddux, or Glavine, or Schilling? And don't give me the "ratings draw" argument - a lot of us don't give two shits about a one year wonder ... oops, a half-year wonder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 You know BORED your right. Why should a guy with 300 wins, 4000 strikeouts, 6 cy youngs, 2 world series rings, 1 mvp and a member of the all century team be invited to the all star game in his last year. BASEBALL MUST HAVE SOME NERVE TO INVITE ONE OF THE BEST PITCHES OF OUR ERA TO THE ALL STAR GAME. May all of the suits at Fox and Bud Sehlig burn in hell for having some nerve. Bored your taking the all star game far too seriously. It is just an exhibition game!!!! Wait I'm taking it too seriously? Wait isn't Fox and MLB telling everyone that "this time it counts"? Now who's really taking it too seriously? If it really counts put Mike Mussina or Gil Meche on the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 14, 2003 This is all the All Star Game- Was Clemens one of the best pitchers this midseason? No. Therefore he shouldn't go in He's 1st in Ks, and 14th in ERA. The All Star game has 12 pitchers. I don't see how his making the team is such a big problem. I'd safely rank him in the top 12 THIS YEAR. All Star Material. Should Mussina have been picked? Yeah, but bust on Hasegawa, not Clemens. They put Rolen on top of Lowell in the NL (which is criminal in my mind. Glaus is starting in the AL with numbers no better than Chavez (who didn't make it in any form) and worse than Mueller (who also didn't make it) and worse than Blalock (who like Lowell needed the non-fan help) and those are just 3rd base. What's so bad about Rolen over Lowell. Rolen's OBP is almsot 30 points higher, and he plays spectacular defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 14, 2003 8-6 with a 3.68 ERA and zero shut outs and zero complete games = All-Star? I'd also point out that Zito's record is........8-6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted July 14, 2003 If Zito was hurt then I would not complain, but to force a guy who wants to pitch off the team when he has already been selected is terrible. The All-Star Game shouldn't be about career accomplishments, it should be about the first half of the season. Loaiza should start. He and Halladay are far and away the best pitchers in the American League this year, and Halladay is only allowed to pitch one inning. If Loaiza didn't start I would be pissed. I watch the All-Star Game to see the best players, not the biggest names. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
