Does Anyone Know if Vader Died?

[Guest The Decadent Slacker]

I always thought Vader's demise was when he turned face in WCW, & running with Hogan. Sure, he left soon after, but going from the baddest motherfucker in American wrestling to Hulk's bitch is what i thought stalled him.

 

His WWF run was going great until HBK decided to throw a tantrum. They planned on putting the title on him at least twice i can think of (Summerslam '96 & Survivor Series '96) but Shawn didn't want to job. I know, i'm just as shocked as everyone...chap wearing bitch. But what really showed where he stood in WWF was when he had to put Mark fucking Henry over. Even if you're on your way out, that's still just wrong.

 

As for Owen, i was crushed when he died, but i don't think he deserves much of the praise he's gotten since his death. I mean, sure, he was a great worker (i'd put him about as good as Bret, maybe a little better), but people have thrown around this "he's dead, so he was awesome" thing. He's just taken on a mythological image that he doesn't deserve.

[Guest Coffey]

Owen was never better than Bret. Ever.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

He never had the chance to be. Bret had better promo skills, but I don't see where Owen was lacking in regards to ability, compared to Bret.