Wrestlers in the wrong roles

[Guest Austin3164life]

Angle, Austin, RVD, and Jericho need to be Main Eventing all the time.....

 

Booker T and Chris Benoit should be right below them all the time.....

 

Edge and Christian need to get back together.....

 

Brock Lesnar should go after RVD.....

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Would you care to elaborate on who else you like, other than Angle, so I can pick them apart too? Why do you never complain about anyone other than Angle if you like other wrestlers.

 

If Benoit is "just a shade under main event" what is Edge? Just a shade above hardcore division?

 

Also, I said "Why does Angle deserve the main event?" not do you think Angle deserves the main event. Nontheless, the question was still answered because you think that Angle is the most over heel in the WWF.

 

Would you be upset if Angle ever had a feud with another non main eventer, or do you just hate Edge?

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Regal isn't a "jobber" to you? He has had less victories and titles than Edge in the WWF, but you think that Regal is established and Edge isn't?

 

What about if Edge was "heel," would you still disapprove of Kurt Angle feuding with him then?

[Guest Anglesault]

Would you care to elaborate on who else you like, other than Angle, so I can pick them apart too? Why do you never complain about anyone other than Angle if you like other wrestlers.

 

Jericho, Austin, RVD, Benoit, Regal.

 

If Benoit is "just a shade under main event" what is Edge? Just a shade above hardcore division?

 

Edge is IC level.

 

 

 

Would you be upset if Angle ever had a feud with another non main eventer, or do you just hate Edge?

 

I'm more pissed off that it is two months in a row, but I'm not thrilled with Kurt being used to elevate people.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

You said "yes" to "Should Kurt Angle never lost to a non established main eventer" but when asked if you would be upset if Angle lost to Regal in England, you replied with "Regal isn't a jobber" which leads me to believe that you wouldn't care is Regal defeated Angle. Does that mean that you consider Regal an established main eventer?

[Guest Anglesault]

Regal isn't a "jobber" to you? He has had less victories and titles than Edge in the WWF, but you think that Regal is established and Edge isn't?

 

We were comparing Regal and Venis.

 

What about if Edge was "heel," would you still disapprove of Kurt Angle feuding with him then?

 

I'm not totally thrilled with Angle fighting ANY midcarder, but if it wasn't two months in a row, and it was 2000 persona heel Edge with his 2002 status in the company, it wouldn't be that bad.

[Guest Anglesault]

You said "yes" to "Should Kurt Angle never lost to a non established main eventer" but when asked if you would be upset if Angle lost to Regal in England, you replied with "Regal isn't a jobber" which leads me to believe that you wouldn't care is Regal defeated Angle. Does that mean that you consider Regal an established main eventer?

 

The "established main eventer" was a little wrong, because men on benoit's level isn't that bad. I consider Regal to be there.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

So, there is a division above the Intercontinental level but before the Main Event level in your eyes? Would you care to explain.

 

Are you saying that Kurt isn't good established enough to elevate other superstars, or do you just think that every match he is in should be the last match on the card.

 

Do you feel that Jericho is being misused? You like him. He never really got established as a main eventer. Do you agree with Austin not showing up for work? All that's ok though, because you like him, right?

 

Was you mad when Kurt Angle lost to Taz at Taz's debut at the Royal Rumble, or where you not on the bandwagon yet?

[Guest Cataclysm911]

I was comparing Angle's opponents, not the opponents amongst themselves. The subject has always been Angle, and has yet to change, so you thinking that I was comparing Regal & Venis was proposturous.

 

You consider Regal to be on Benoit's level? What is that? Is that on the imaginary "above IC below Main event" level?

 

If Angle had not been "midcarded" for two months, and was just put into a feud with Edge are you saying that you wouldn't be upset?

[Guest Some Guy]

Benoit also is exactly an established main eventer more like a JTTS in the ME.  Not thta I approve of him having that role, but he does. Regal has never been in a main eveter in his American career.

 

I'm an Angle mark and I would be pissed if he lost to Regal, Regal isn't nearly on Kurt's level as far as ring work or popularity.  I would be happy if Benoit went over him though and I thought he should have gone over Angle cleanly at Mania and Backlash (which he did) to set up and solidify a Benoit main event run where he actually wins main event matches.  As it stands now Kurt has feuded with all the established main eventers extensivley and I don't want to see him be made to look foolish by HHH again, so his feud with Edge is cool with me.

[Guest Anglesault]

So, there is a division above the Intercontinental level but before the Main Event level in your eyes? Would you care to explain.

 

People who are obivously above the IC title but not quite able to main event a PPV. If they fought the IC champ, there would be no question as to who would win, if they fought a main eventer on TV, it's about 50/50, and if they fight a main eventer on PPV, the Main eventer wins.

 

Are you saying that Kurt isn't good established enough to elevate other superstars, or do you just think that every match he is in should be the last match on the card.

 

A little of both.

 

 

 

Do you feel that Jericho is being misused? You like him. He never really got established as a main eventer. Do you agree with Austin not showing up for work? All that's ok though, because you like him, right?

 

Jericho was fucked by Hunter. Austin did what he had to do for the company. He sent a message to Vince that the locker room was in shambles.

 

Was you mad when Kurt Angle lost to Taz at Taz's debut at the Royal Rumble, or where you not on the bandwagon yet?

 

Angle wasn't even European champ at that point. I wanted him to ein, but it wasn't a travesty.

[Guest Anglesault]

You consider Regal to be on Benoit's level? What is that? Is that on the imaginary "above IC below Main event" level?

 

Yes

 

If Angle had not been "midcarded" for two months, and was just put into a feud with Edge are you saying that you wouldn't be upset?

 

Not AS upset.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

This is the way I see it. Wrestling is a business. The Wrestlers should have feuds with any of the other wrestlers. That is how I see it. I do believe a little bit in seniority, though I don't think it should effect the entertainment. Hogan has been there longer than almost anyone, yet his wrestling ability isn't entertaining, thus he shouldn't be main eventing. He should be where Andre was at the end of his WWF career. Still on the card, so he can get a "pop" but low enough so that his status doesn't matter.

 

I see nothing wrong with Angle feuding with Edge. I see nothing wrong with Angle losing to Val Venis. I fail to grasp what the problem is. Kurt Angle isn't established enough so you only want him in the main events until everyone knows that he is main event? What if that never happens? Same thing would happen as people have been complaining about Test. Being shoved down our throats when nobody cares.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

You have an answer for every question, though you are just walking in circles. It is obvious that you're just a "mark" in "smarks" clothing, so this bickering is pointless. It doesn't matter what the WWF does with Kurt Angle you will always find a way to nit pick and bitch about something. I'm sure that you enjoyed Kurt Angle's "babyface" World Title reign, even though it sucked shit.

 

Somethings, like opinions, just won't be changed. You're a Kurt Angle "fanboy" so obviously if he isn't in the last match on Wrestlemania against the biggest star ever & going over cleanly to win the Undisputed Titles you're going to be upset. Seeing as how that day will never come, you're always going to be bitching about it, so I guess that is what makes you, you.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Not to be a pain, but isn't Regal just another heatless midcarder? I can hardly see what makes him higher on the totem pole then either Edge or Venis.

[Guest griffinmills]

I thought the feud was going well untill Cataclysm911 took the count-out loss at the end.  It was good reading up to the "you win but really I win because you are a loser" post.  Thumbs in the middle on this, maybe they will restart the match?

[Guest]

Angle is the most over heel in the corporation (which earns him his main event status in your opinion) yet you want Triple H to turn heel because he reeks as a face. Did I get all of that right? Dread the day man. When Triple H turns face he is going to be the number one heel in the company. Give him his sledgehammer, drop him in the N.W.O. and say goodnight, because it will be all over.

 

Carefull what you say about not wanting Angle to be used to elevate people. You have to defend him a lot now and people actually like him. God forbid he become the next Triple H of the WWF. You will never hear the end of it. 'He does not elevate anyone.' 'He holds people down'.

 

Angle elevating people is a good thing. He is already a proven main eventer  (your status is not determined by where you are wrestling at the moment because their can only be one main event on a card) and his status is not going to be effected by putting people over. Everybody in the WWF should learn a lesson from the man. He puts everyone over without complaining. You should be proud of him.

 

Back to the original thread though:

 

"turn the Hardy's and put them in the flock."

 

I have been wanting them to do this for a long time. The Hardy's need a spokesman and they have the look to fit in with Raven. They should toss Kane in there too. Raven could convince him that the scarring he had endured as a child was a psychological ploy pulled on him by his father. Kane could get rid of his mask and you would have yourself a nice little faction there.

 

The Canadian faction that has been mentioned would be a killer idea as well. Throw Jericho, Benoit, Lance Storm, and Test together. You could expand a bit and throw Trish Stratus in there too if you want to.

 

I am against putting Edge and Christian back together though. I think that Edge reeks but Christian has a ton of potential. They just need to come up with something for him to do. I see him becoming a heel on par with Owen Hart.

 

Triple H needs to become a heel again and run with the N.W.O. for a while. Throw HBK in there with them to give clique fans their soggy dream come true before Hall and Nash become too old to go anymore.

 

The Rock needs to become a heel again and turn on Hogan. He can end his career the way Triple H did with Foley.

 

Make the big men indomitable again. When people like Jericho can take out people like Kane there are problems. I like the fact that the Undertaker is running rampant all over everyone right now. When someone finally steps up and beats him it will actually mean something.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

The Canadian faction that has been mentioned would be a killer idea as well. Throw Jericho, Benoit, Lance Storm, and Test together. You could expand a bit and throw Trish Stratus in there too if you want to.

I wouldn't put Trish in that group. She's pretty over as a face, so unless you want to bring up the ONLy connection she ever had with the group(Test from the T&A days), it would come off as pointless and redundent. Plus, a badass Canadian stable should have no need of a female manager anyways, they should just be about busting heads and being bitter assholes.

 

Not flaming ya or anything because I like that idea of a stable unlike a certain obsessive paranoid poster who shall remain nameless for now.

[Guest]

Triple H, and The Rock as heels.

To balance it out Booker T., and Undertaker go face.

 

Raven's Flock comes about, and Raven gets some mic time, and a push and is able to bring some stability to the Hardcore Belt.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Not to be a downer or anything, but the Flock would never fly in the WWF. In order to actually build-up the reasoning behind it, you'd have to have an audience that didn't have the collective attention span of an ADD-aflicted 4 year old AND commentators who would actually take the time to make the listening audience give a damn by putting over(which is about a 30/70 split these days).

[Guest]

The only difference between the IC division and the main event is that the main eventers sell more t-shirts and merchandice. People always bitch and whine that Angle, Jericho, Benoit, RVD and company should be main eventing against one another. Here's a tip, since they're already in the same division right now, MAKE IT YOUR MAIN EVENT. There's no law forcing you to think the main event makes for better storylines and programs. The main event scene sucks anyway. Boring promos, predictable matches, never clean finishes. Pay closer attention to the mid card matches, they're almost always more enjoyable I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd rather have Angle wrestle Benoit in the middle of Smackdown then watch him job endlessly to Hogan and HHH in the main events.

[Guest alfdogg]

"Kurt Angle isn't established enough so you only want him in the main events until everyone knows that he is main event? What if that never happens? Same thing would happen as people have been complaining about Test."

 

As Bobby Heenan would say, "that's like comparing prime rib to manure."

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Booker T does not need to be a face, he just needs to be pushed as a heel. Booker T could get heat comparable with what the Rock (heel) used to get if they just pushed him.

 

Hogan needs to be a heel, not a face. If he's going to be a face, he needs to be an old guy trying to make it instead of going blow for blow with the Rock.

 

The Rock needs to be heel, I think the crowd in Canada probably cheered for Hogan because they hated the Rock, I know that's why I cheered for Hogan. I was yelling at the TV when he leg dropped the Rock for the first time. He's become the bluechipper again, but now he has money, fame and glamour. He's the same cornball, but he is wearing more expensive clothes this time around. What's not to hate about a guy that acts like a jerk to everyone, taunts people, spits on people and makes movies on the side?