Austin's backstage antics...

[Guest]

I posted a column earlier "HHH Sucks"... a few people wrote "But Austin... blah, blah, blah..."

 

First off, Austin has been selfish in the past as far as storylines etc.

 

However, I do not think that Austin's antics ever bogged down the entire program...

 

The situation for Wrestlemania was supposed to unfold as such... Hall defeats Austin with the help of Nash/X-Pac and sets up a rematch for Backlash

 

What happened, though, was that Austin was not happy with the idea of being in a program with Scott Hall in the first place, understandable, considering all the problems that he and the NWO have been known to cause in the past...

 

Austin is right in the sense that the NWO will CAUSE PROBLEMS... no doubt

 

They are lazy, and have used b.s. politicing to be back on TV anyway

 

Why should Austin, and all the other superstars, have to put up with bullshit because of three guys, who have not done anything good for the company...BIG SURPRISE

 

Like I said, Austin has pulled some shit in the past, and probably will in the future, but he is IN THE RIGHT ON THIS SITUATION!

[Guest muzanisa]

The loss at WM was supposed to set up the split. By not agreeing to it he harmed the company.

The NWO will cause problems yes, so Austin causes problems and doesn't turn up to work and that makes him better than the NWO how exactly?

Austin no showed house shows that he was booked and advertised on when he wasn't injured and could have worked them. That's unprofessional.

Austin maybe in the right I don't know the story on what's happening with him since after WM but I don't think he's reacted the right way.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Austin is a whiny bitch. If he signs his name to a massive multimillion dollar contract, he should be prepared to honour it whether or not he likes "backstage politics" or whatnot.

[Guest godthedog]

i think austin's heart is in the right place, he's just going about it in a pretty fucked up way.  not showing up for a house show is just plain wrong.  i'd be royally pissed if i was at that show.

 

of course, at the house show i went to last year, the main event was advertised as austin v. benoit when i bought tickets, & it ended up being undertaker & kane v. ddp and mike awesome.  thinking about that now makes me want to cry.

[Guest Risk]

Hogan ruined his WCW run and had the belt put on JIM FUCKIN' DUGGAN!  A wrestler that makes New Jack look like Bret Hart.  I would be pissed too, hell, if I was Austin I would be beating Hogan down when he stepped foot in Austin's company.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

Yeah, I mean Hogan could've very well have ended Austin's career with the shit he pulled on him in WCW.  He hurt Austin's life in general.  It's Kinda hard to work a program with a guy, who's head, whose head you want to launch deep into the biosphere with a stiff right hand.

 

I sometimes wish that at least once we'd see Austin nail Hogan with a Stunner.  Too bad it won't happen.  Another thing, is that if it was Austin/Hogan at Mania, Hogan would still be heel, because the Canadian fans wouldn't turn on Austin the way they turned on Rock.

[Guest Austin3164life]

If I am the most celebrated wrestler in history, and all of a sudden a recovering alcoholic comes back and tries to fit in at my expense (pinning me at WM), then I would be even more pissed and I would refuse the loss.....

[Guest the BURNHAM]

SO lemme get this straight, Austin refuses to work with people in the past while so has the Nwo but only one is frowned upon.  Austin causes a direct alteration of the main storyline in wrestling and he's parading for the good guys.  I'm sure if he wanted he could have asked Vince to not be on the nwo show and they could have kept them separated after WM but he goes and messes it up.  

 

Don't get me wrong austin is a helluva wrestler and he has the right i think to some creative control, but this is the equivalent of him refusing to work with any WCW wrestlers at the beginning of the invasion, it just fucks everythign up.

 

And according to AustinHHHforLife, a recovering alcoholic has no room in wrestling so damned be scott hall for trying to get his life back together.  To hell with ye...

[Guest Maurizio C... Version 2]

little tidbit to DURHAM: Hall has been *trying to get his life back together* for years. you know the story? he sees beer and get drunk. The hell with him, I couldn't care less if he gets drunk and embarass himself in front of his family. What about jake roberts, eddie guerrero, brian lawler and others? hall is in the wwf for money, not to get his life back together.

 

Now, about Austin. He was simply pissed that not only he wasn't in the main event for WM, but all of a sudden he was demoted to somewhat middle of the card match with Scotch hall while Rock and HHH, men he helped put over in the first place, main evented the goddamn ppv. That's right. I know people hate to admit it, but Austin is the guy who pulled the wwf out of its shit hole in '98. Not Rock, not HHH, not Jericho.

 

I can understand Undertaker getting midcard matches. H's a veteran and he's okay with it. He accepts the fact that he's no more champioship material, but Austin is the guy that carried the entire company while Rock was away playing hollywood star and HH was home getting blowjobs from Steph. Austin is the guy that cuts awesome, funny promos night in and night out. The guy that gives **** matches on every ppv and against every opponent. The guy that had awesome matches with 'Taker in '99 and the focal point of the wwf's best angles in these past years.

 

he's getting treated like shit. that's my opinion.

[Guest the BURNHAM]

little tidbit to DURHAM: Hall has been *trying to get his life back together* for years. you know the story? he sees beer and get drunk. The hell with him, I couldn't care less if he gets drunk and embarass himself in front of his family. What about jake roberts, eddie guerrero, brian lawler and others? hall is in the wwf for money, not to get his life back together.

 

Now, about Austin. He was simply pissed that not only he wasn't in the main event for WM, but all of a sudden he was demoted to somewhat middle of the card match with Scotch hall while Rock and HHH, men he helped put over in the first place, main evented the goddamn ppv. That's right. I know people hate to admit it, but Austin is the guy who pulled the wwf out of its shit hole in '98. Not Rock, not HHH, not Jericho.

 

I can understand Undertaker getting midcard matches. H's a veteran and he's okay with it. He accepts the fact that he's no more champioship material, but Austin is the guy that carried the entire company while Rock was away playing hollywood star and HH was home getting blowjobs from Steph. Austin is the guy that cuts awesome, funny promos night in and night out. The guy that gives **** matches on every ppv and against every opponent. The guy that had awesome matches with 'Taker in '99 and the focal point of the wwf's best angles in these past years.

 

he's getting treated like shit. that's my opinion.

First off, I don't konw if you were trying to insult me with a name but I don't know what a Durham is so i'll ignore it.  Coming from a family with alcoholics in it, I know the pressure that surrounds quitting drinking.  It's not the big things, deaths in the family, diseases, getting fired that get you to drink, it's the little things, breaking your shoelace in the morning, spilling your coffee, that gets you inevitably.  So therefore I believe that any time an alcoholic is not drinking he is trying to get his life back together, as hall is.  So please, don't patronize me.   From what I understand, Guerrero is coming back after crashing his car in what could have been at another time vehicular manslaughter, Lawler was caught with marijuana, and although I don't feel so, many feel that pot is a worser drug, coupled with the fact that it's illegal.  Roberts is a frikkin crack addict.  There completely different circumstances involved.

 

I'll be the first to say that Austin is the sole reason why the WWF got out of 1998, but wrestling, as is life, is cyclical.  So he's pissed aboutnot headlining WM, too bad, swallow your pride and work.  I hope that your not advocating in you career that if you are an integral part of a corporation and someone goes over you for a promotion that you will not walk out and not show up for a week, because you will be fired, without a second doubt.

 

You say that HHH was home getting blowjobs from steph, and Rock is playing hollywood star.  Wasn't taht during the invasion?  A time known for shitty project.  If austin was so good, which he was during the time, why didn't he get the rest of the card to work as hard as him.  Also HHH and Rock were main guys during 2000, during this time wrestling was damn fine.  REmember Austin at backlash though, perhaps he was drinking a little bit too.  Judging by the over all ratings when Austin was away, ratings were higher than when Rock and HHH were away, and at least it was more entertaining.  

 

He's being a baby, that's my opinion.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Originally posted by Risk

Hogan ruined his WCW run and had the belt put on JIM FUCKIN' DUGGAN!  A wrestler that makes New Jack look like Bret Hart.

 

**sniff**

I like Jim Duggan...HOOOOOO~!~!~!~

[Guest]

Austin turned down the match with Hogan so he has no right to complain about not headlining Wrestlemania.

 

"Like I said, Austin has pulled some shit in the past, and probably will in the future, but he is IN THE RIGHT ON THIS SITUATION! "

 

No. He is wrong. I agree with what he did. I would have done the same thing. It does not make it right though. Austin has a job to do and he refused to do it. That makes him dead wrong.

[Guest Maurizio C... Version 2]

Durham... sorry, I mispelled the name

 

I was talking about the period around WM'00, when Rock and HHH we're the sole headliners, with Big Show and Foley a distant step.

 

Austin threw down his match with hogan because it was a stupid ass angle. Austin, pardon me, had the WIT to turn down the match since the way it went had absoulutely no sense at all. Hogan tries to kill Rocky and then embark on a lovefest with the Great One complimenting him?! Austin saw it as "I get attacked by the NWO... I beat Hogan 123... Hogan turn face... I compliment him after he tried to injure me... that makes no fucking sense!!!" so he just preserved his character. So what does Vinnie Mac do when Austin turn downs the match? he puts him in a mid card crappy match with hall?!

 

So Taker gest a great match with Flair who legitinaltely *stole* the show for a while... Hogan co-main event with Rock... HHH battles Jericho for the title... and there's no place for the man who saved the wwf in '98? who is he, Kurt "I'll do anything, I'll job my ass to Jericho because I'm a no politics playing ass" Angle?

[Guest]

The hypocracy reeks.

 

If it had been someone like Hall, Nash, or Hogan then you'd be on their asses big time.

 

Austin has really become exactly what he hated in WCW, Hogan.

 

Austin may have saved the WWF in 1998, but if he hadn't someone else may have.  Personally I think Vince saved it.

 

And..speaking of saving, there might not have been a WWF mainstreamed to the point it was to save if not for Hogan in the first place, but same story as Austin it's debatable that someone else could have done it, but the fact remains that Hogan was the guy to do it in the first place.

 

I really don't think either of them deserves the "You can whine all you want" card.

 

Truth is, Austin's antics totally blew the whole nWo thing.  Killed any credibillity Hall may have had before he even got on his feet in the WWF.  Regardless if he drinks or not, it's no one's business besides his own until it's causing major problems at work, and so on.

 

"Bottom line" if your boss tells you to mop the floor, you mop the floor, or you get canned.  There isn't room in the real world for whiny workers who don't do what they're PAID to do.  

 

Don't get me wrong I like Austin I think he's a benefit to the WWF most of the time, and they'd be hard pressed to find someone to fill his role, but they can, and will if they have to.  And frankly if he's going to keep causing problems over politics, he doesn't deserve the job no matter what he did in 98, and got PAID more than most of us will make in a lifetime doing.  It wasn't some bold or sacrificing charity on his part.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I understand how austin feels but he should have done what he was told and just made it clear that he was against it and then refuse to have anything more to do with the angle but he should have jobbed as he was supposed to.

 

on another note i'm tired of people ragging on scott hall because he had a drinking problem. do you guys understand how hard it is to quit drinking??? it's one of the hardest things you can do. my grandmother was an alcoholic she's been in and out of AA for 30 years now and everyday she has to fight the urge to drink. it's a never ending battle.

[Guest Maurizio C... Version 2]

Cobain, no offense to your grandma, I use to drink once a while, but scotch hall is on tv 2 times a week now. he's been battling his *sickness* far too long for my tastes. if scott was one of those drugatics that stayed on his own, then no problem with it, but along with drinking, he caused ruckus backstage (remember the Goldberg incident)

 

Austin = professional

Hall = Beer addict

[Guest blackjack4x]

Scott Keith was right about the Austin/NWO situation.

[Guest Goodear]

Austin needs to understand that although he (and I share his sentiments) may think that the direction of his character hasn't been going extraordinarilly well recently.  Walking out on the company for a brief period while pointing fingers isn't going to improve the situation.  Actually, it will most likely make everything worse.  Does he think the writers are just magically going to get better because he got all huffy?

 

 Quite frankly, if Austin is going to be so caught up in how his character is going to be treated, he should sit in on all the planning sessions like Triple H does.  Austin should take a more active hand in planning his own angles and instead of just shooting down match options, coming up with something he can be interested in and that the fans will enjoy.

[Guest mastermind]

This thing was talked about on SportsRadio last night. It's kind of starting to bug me now. Seriously, I know people have their opinions and stuff, but when rumours are stated as facts to prove their point it's downright insulting.

 

Austin=RIGHT!

To turn down the program with Hogan with the storyline used with Rock. Austin being buddy buddy with Hogan after he tried to kill him(another car homicide would really be pushing Austin as some superman*especially with the shorter time recovery). Austin in Toronto making Hogan a face(and people I think people were behind Hogan here because we haven't seen him LIVE since fighting Sgt. Slaughter in 1991 at Maple Leaf Garden). I can see Austin turning that down and for good reason. However, WE DON'T KNOW if that angle would have been the same for Austin/Hogan. WWF mag had predicted Rock having a career threatening injury, but being alright to return to his glory at WrestleMania. Maybe the angle was DESGINED for Rock because of his hollywood commitments.

 

Austin=RIGHT!

To think that MAYBE Triple H and Stephanie Mcmahon MIGHT have "unconscious" plans to depush him and put him in the midcard. He has a right to be upset that these two are in a relationship and that Stephanie (whether or not she writes) over sees the writing and can EDIT things. Austin has absolute right to object to these two at meetings and whatnot.

 

Austin=NOT RIGHT

Refusing to job to Scott Hall to explain the stupid reason why Flair has chosen the nWo for his roster when he almost gave up his shares of the wwf because of them. He is not right for killing the nWo's steam just 3 weeks after they enter the wwf. He is wrong for not seeing the obvious that the wwf needed someone new to face him. He can't main event every damn wrestlemania no matter how much people say he carried the wwf in 1998. It's the year 2002. People using Hall's drinking past for a scape goat when there really hasn't been any evidence recently to show Hall even drinking or that his drinking has caused problems. What's all the joy over Latino Heat coming back? Hypcorisy runs high I say *lol*.  Babe Ruth was also known as a drunken master, but is that always brought up when people say Babe Ruth of wrestling or something of that vernacular?

 

Austin=NOT RIGHT

Not showing up at house shows he has been headlined to. I mean Hogan was double booked and was forced to show up at the house show on a tight ship. Hogan getting blamed for stuff that wcw allowed in 1994 when the company was a second rate bush league. Hall and Nash the same thing.

 

Austin=NOT RIGHT

Refusing to work an angle for jobbing. When the damn VP Jim Ross couldn't even veto the kiss assing angle which is much more embarassing. Then not showing up for work. Given that he is a multi-millionaire. This is really shocking knowing that if someone like Michael Jordan in a "legit" sport pulled something like this he would get ripped.

 

NOT RIGHT=Fans

Making excuses for Austin when he's doing the same exact thing that all stars at his level are guilty of.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

A large part of the reason we are more lenient on Austin is that he is making a stand against the product, as opposed to the NWO who holds down others to make themselves look good at the expense of the product.

 

Was Austin wrong by walking out?  Yes, but he likely (from most sources) feels that he has the best interests of the WWF in mind.  The NWO never thought about the best interests of the company.

[Guest Big Poppa Smurf]

Pretty much all of last years product sucked ass and I don't remember Austin taking an ethical stand against the WWF producing bad product.

I guess as long as Austin is the star it doesn't matter how shitty the product is.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Pretty much all of last years product sucked ass and I don't remember Austin taking an ethical stand against the WWF producing bad product.

I guess as long as Austin is the star it doesn't matter how shitty the product is.

 

That is quite possibly the truth, but it is not the way it is being presented.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I'm still trying to figure out how interfering in Austin's match at Mania was supposed to trigger the split since that whole angle was based around Flair/Vince....

[Guest Big Poppa Smurf]

When was the last time an angle made any sense in the WWF?

Hogan tries to kill Rock then they are best friends a few weeks later.

Austin is almost killed and his revenge is built up as the biggest thing in wrestling, he finds out that HHH was the one who  tried to kill him and Autin almost kills HHH in return yet they become tag team partners a few months later.

I could go on pretty much forever with the nonsensical storylines the WWF produces.

[Guest Anglesault]

 Quite frankly, if Austin is going to be so caught up in how his character is going to be treated, he should sit in on all the planning sessions like Triple H does.  

Should he verbally bury all the people he finds threatening like Hunter does as well?

[Guest Austin3164life]

I don't know what to make of this whole situation.  First off, it would have been better if the nWo hadn't shown up, and Austin and Rock worked with guys like Angle or Booker T or other guys who could use the push.  Brining in three old guys out of their prime is not a great solution for the lack of good product.  All this whole nWo angle did is that it united most of the "clique" again.  I think Austin is looking after the company's well being as well as his character's.  True, it might not have been prudent to not show up at house shows in which you headline, but I think he's trying to make some kind of a statement to Vince.  The whole point of advancing product is to put over guys who can handle being in the top spot.  Why would you want to put over guys like Nash, Hall, and Hogan, who have seen their years come and gone?  I don't think Austin's "antics" are as much politicking as protesting.  He's probably trying to send a message to Vince that the product needs changing, and it could go without the nWo.....

[Guest]

"Pretty much all of last years product sucked ass and I don't remember Austin taking an ethical stand against the WWF producing bad product.I guess as long as Austin is the star it doesn't matter how shitty the product is."

 

Right, Big Poppa Smurf; the Invasion angle - as huge an angle as we'll ever get - was screwed up big time.  Austin was the featured wrestler in this botched angle, as we know.  However, I also read of no complaints from him during this time, probably because he was getting anywhere from 30 - 40 minutes of screen time each show.  (He also was making the entire Alliance group look like a bunch of cowering bitches - something he tried to replicate with the nWo, somewhat less successfully).  Where was his concern for the product and the other wrestlers then?

[Guest Goodear]

Should he verbally bury all the people he finds threatening like Hunter does as well?

Actually, A.S. all I've ever seen reported is that Triple H buries some workers in those booking meetings.  I've never seen it be said from a news source that he's burying people he sees as a threat to his position.  He may be burying The Big Show for all we know, and it might be because he thinks those guys actually suck.

 

Anyway, yes, if Austin was on the booking squad, I would expect him to bury some people.  That sort of comes with the job.  Not everyone can be at the top of the mountain at the sasme time after all.  As long as he can make reasonable evaluations of talent, I have no problem with the practice.

[Guest Perfect_Bo]

OK, many people dont know me, and some do since I've been a part of the new thread called the SWF...  This is something personal for me...  I personally am a recovery alcoholic after losing my wife for the first time...  I am only 21 years old and I was in jail about 6 times because of me being drunk...

 

After losing my wife I use any little thing as excuse to drink...  I couldnt live without alcohol, alcohol was my second love behind my daughter...  The drip of rum, and barcardi when it clinches my jaw was like heaven to me.  

 

After almost losing my daughter I had to change, I had to stop, and I'm going to be honest...  It's the hardest thing for me to do, and I'm still working out of urges...  When my friends go out to drink I dont go, because I drink too much...  I went to AA and that helps a little, but, to stop drinking, you have to say "STOP"...  And do what you can to keep your self occupied to do that...

 

I was lucky, because I wasnt drinking for a long time...  I've been drinking ever since I was 13, but I've been a alcoholic ever since my wife left and that was about last year.  Hall isnt so lucky, he was probably a drunk for a while.  Now, people deserve chances with a disease like alcoholism...  It is a disease.

 

What Austin did was unethical...  That's like a doctor refusing to work in a hospital because there's people with Aids there...  That is a business and you should do your job.  I give respect to Austin as an athelete, but, he should work, that's what he gets paid for, by working...

 

I give Hall a lot of respect because he's trying to get his life straight...  And for alcoholism, chances should not be limited...

 

That's all I have to say...

 

B "I know about drugs too" O

[Guest Austin3164life]

I don't mean to sound rude or to bash your story, but it seems you are supporting the fact that Scott is a recovering alcoholic.  I think the problem is bigger than the feud between Austin and Hall.  Austin is probably pissed on the fact that Hall didn't do what he said he was going to do (be sober for WM) and plus Austin is upset at the entire booking committee for letting Triple H have a huge say in where others should be.  He realizes that the clique 2002 is gaining more power, and he realizes that it could be bad for business.  If that's the case, more power to Austin because I don't remember anyone else taking a stand against the Clique (Maybe Bret Hart?).....