Guest undisputedjericho Report post Posted July 21, 2003 They sell Babe Ruth to the Yankees in the early 20's so the owner of the Sox can make a musical. Then "The Curse" sets in. The Yankees win their first title in '23 with the Babe. And the Red Sox last championship is 1918. Which I believe is the third longest dry-spell since the last championship besides Chicago's own Cubs (1908) and White Sox (1917, who seem to suffer from a Black Sox Curse) The magical moment of Fisk's HR in Game 6, 1975. Sox lose in Game 7 to the Big Red Machine (Not Kane) In August 1978, they were up 14 games on the Yankees in the division, and we all know what happened there. World Series 1986, Bill Buckner's legs. And, the Yankees beat them in the 1999 ALCS, though that didn't have much to do with The Curse, it was their first ever playoff meeting, and the Yankees clinched at Fenway. You at least have to wonder, something must be going on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted July 21, 2003 If there's a curse, the Yankees nearly tried to repay the Sox. A few weeks ago, ESPN did a game (can't remember which one), but they were talking about Lou Gehrig, and they said on his website it was revealed the Yankees tried to trade him to the Red Sox due to the whole Ruth deal years back but the Sox declined the trade. Ruth & Gehrig are working together! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LatinoHeat Report post Posted July 21, 2003 I read an piece at ESPN Page 2 the other day about how the Red Sox and Yanks were planning to trade Ted Williams for Joe DiMaggio. Both owners were reportedly drinking and tipsy during discussion. The next day talks fell through and cooler heads prevailed. Thank god that trade never happened. There is no such thing as a curse. This will be the Red Sox year. The year to be here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 21, 2003 The Red Sox either choke like in '86, or just get beat by a bette team like in '75. The curse is b.s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 21, 2003 The Curse is just something that Pathetic fans created to MASK their teams inability to compete and clinch the World Series. Because BOSTON loves to glamorize everything that gone AGAINST them...we tend to try to sell the idea that there is a MYSTICAL force against the Red Sox.. A lot of teams have lost titles and championship caliber seasons in dramatic fashions but Since it's overtly glamorized to create this dumb apathy for the City of Boston...we tend only focus on BOSTON's hardships... Don't Blame Babe Ruth...Blame Boston. Boston is the only organization that has it's excuse ready made when they CHOKE yet again "Ah...The Curse STRIKES again"... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted July 21, 2003 No Curse, but the Red Sox will choke again this year and lose out to the A's in the Wildcard, and if my ill feelings are correct, the A's will go on to lose in the first round of the playoffs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2003 Boston wasn't helped out much by not letting any black players play for them until 1959. The Red Sox buy more talent than the Yankees. The difference is that the Red Sox can't get it right and the Red Sox get more sympathy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rendclaw 0 Report post Posted July 21, 2003 Add to the fact that Boston and New York have had a rivalry of cities since the dawn of time, and Boston is basically NYC's snotty lil brother and there you go... Just like Buffalo, Boston sports fans LOVE to get screwed and let everyone know they;re getting screwed, akin to what Choken said. If Boston ever won the WS, they would not know what to do with themselves. Prolly burn the city down or something. The so-called curse has taken on a life of its own, because of the city's *belief* that it exists. Trading away Babe Ruth was pretty stupid as he was a decent pitcher before he was a legendary slugger, but that was almost 80 years ago. Get over it. Boston has a good team this year, but because of their owners obsession with winning at any cost, the Yankees have a better one. Deal with it. Especially now because the Yankees are starting to put distance between themselves and Boston. When Red Sox fan starts whining and bitching about "the curse" I simply laugh. Although there is *nothing* funny about how Boston made Bill Buckner a pariah and ran him out of town. Ah well, just as well Buckner wasn;t playing in Philly, we would have been gunned down in cold blood for that error. Turn the page already, Boston. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 21, 2003 The Red Sox originally suffered in the 20s, because not only did they sell Babe Ruth, they sold most of their team. Carl Mays, Herb Pennock, Sam Jones, Joe Bush and Waite Hoyt all went to the Yankees between 1919 and 1921. Practically their entire pitching staff. The Red Sox traded THREE future hall of famers to the Yankees. As for the curse, its a few instances of bad luck. What people forget is that the Red Sox have also had instances of amazing luck. Consider...... -1967. The Red Sox, who finished last the year before, win one of the greatest pennant races in history. Yaz hits around .500 the last two weeks. The Sox proceed to take the Cardinals 7 games, stopped only by Bob Gibson, who no one beat in those days. -1986. ALCS. Game 5. Top of the ninth, the Sox are three outs from elimination, and three runs down. They win the game, and win the next two. Each time they've lost the Series(1946, 1967, 1975, 1986), they've lost it to a team ranked among the all time greats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JangoFett4Hire Report post Posted July 21, 2003 86 Mets are among the all-time greats? Didn't know that... I knew the Reds and Cards were there... The curse was invented by Globe columnist Dan "Curly haired boyfriend" Shaughnessy. He wrote a book about it. No true, self-respecting Boston sports fan honestly believes in a mythic curse placed on the team by The Babe. The Babe went on to be larger than life in NY. why would he curse the Sox for that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted July 21, 2003 Yep, blame Boston media types for hyping up this STUPID curse thing. The Sox have just had bad management throughout and some REALLY bad breaks in key situations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BobbyWhioux Report post Posted July 21, 2003 The Red Sox originally suffered in the 20s, because not only did they sell Babe Ruth, they sold most of their team. Carl Mays, Herb Pennock, Sam Jones, Joe Bush and Waite Hoyt all went to the Yankees between 1919 and 1921. Practically their entire pitching staff. The Red Sox traded THREE future hall of famers to the Yankees. Yeah. I've been watching the Ken Burns "Baseball" thing on DVD, and just got through the 1910-1920 piece, and one of the sources he cites a bunch is that is the diary of this guy named Harry Hooper (who was an outfielder I think who played for the Red Sox for most of that decade) and Hooper absolutely lambastes the guy who owned the Sox for basically selling all of Boston's championship team en masse to the Yankees. And it wasn't that the owner in question was dumb; he just didn't care about baseball half as much as he did about Broadway. And thus he dismantled Boston's championship team faster than you can say "Wayne Huizenga." [Largely forgotten now is that the Red Sox won the world series FOUR times in that decade, and five times overall, which is one of the better totals in MLB history.] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DawnBTVS Report post Posted July 21, 2003 Yeah...hell the Sox won the first World Series in 1903 over Pittsburgh. So screw this "curse" because it's all just been bad luck and/or poor management as stated earlier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted July 22, 2003 It should be the Curse of Henry Frazee (or something like that). He was pretty much the first in a series of bumbling owners/GMs. He was the one who sold Ruth to finance a production of No No Nannette that lasted like three shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted July 23, 2003 The only people who I ever hear talk about the Curse are the media. No fan sits there and talks to his buddies about the curse. It just doesn't happen. 75% of the time that I hear anyone talk about the curse it's the idiots on ESPN, and the other 25% of the time is just the local sportswriters/radio-hosts stirring up the masses when there's nothing else to talk about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted July 23, 2003 The curse is sillyness the problem has been our obsession with beating the Yanks. Rather than doing what NY has done and allow for some failure to get better (the late '80s early 90s) and build up the team, the Sox just go out and bring in Jose Cnaseco, Rob Deer, Brunansky, and other overpaid and unoperforming players. Fortunately the new ownership ahs completely revamped the the whole system. Case in point the Sox signed all of their draft picks, as opposed to Duquette who almost never signed them. (Nomar and Nixon not withstanding). I think the curse is bullshit, the problem has been the that the Sox wanted to field a "competitive team" and not a "winning team". They always said they wanted to win teh WS but never fielded a team that was capable. Theo is puttign the pieces in place and I doubt that anybody would be suprised if the Sox won the WS this year considering the talent they have. We're really just a #2 quality starter away, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 23, 2003 They Have had Teams that Were More then Capable before... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DawnBTVS Report post Posted July 23, 2003 If Lowe can get back to form we'd definitely be a threat in the playoffs. I'd love to see a Sox vs Athletics series to see who would come out on top in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 23, 2003 I read an piece at ESPN Page 2 the other day about how the Red Sox and Yanks were planning to trade Ted Williams for Joe DiMaggio. Both owners were reportedly drinking and tipsy during discussion. The next day talks fell through and cooler heads prevailed. There was also a problem with Yawkey wanting Yogi as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted July 23, 2003 They Have had Teams that Were More then Capable before... Not very many. 86, 78, 67, 46 (I think) and that's about it. Injuries (Rice in 86, Williams in 46 or wahtever year it was) and bad luck fucked things up. This year the Sox have changed the apporoach. There have been no Ed Sprague deals, no Mike Lansing, no Bichette, no wasted money, no wasted talent. Just good, solid, low or no (Todd Jones and Kapler) risk deals. It's a much more even keel approach. Similar to how Cashman works in NY, although this year it seems like he isn't the one pulling the strings. I'd bet a lot that Benitez wasn't his idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
