Angel Spoilers: How Spike Returns and Cordy's fate

[JasonX 0]

Ain't It Cool News has posted spoilers for the new season of Angel including the hows and whys to how Spike is coming back:

 

Spoiler Space for it and other new season spoilers, including the return of a long-missing Buffy supporting cast member

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Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

Spike is coming back as a ghost, sent to haunt Angel and generally be a nuesence towards him. Everyone wil be able to see Spike and that this set-up is being done mainly to justify why Spike won't go seek out Buffy upon his return.   However, AICN does state that Spike's ghost status might be temporary as Spike will be confronted by a disgruntled client of the Wolfram & Hart Law Firm who is pissed off at Angel for trying to bust up a human chop shop that cuts up people up for demons for some unstated, non-food related purposes. This client (who's a telekinetic) will apparently approach Spike with promises to give Spike an all-new human body if Spike agrees to help him try and kill Angel after stating that he can't directly kill Angel without drawing the wrath of W&H's senior partners, who have some unknown plans for Angel.   As for the returning Buffy supporting cast member, Harmony will be a new Angel regular as Angel's secretary/gopher at W&H.   And for the convoluted Cordy in a Coma storyline, Joss has a resolution written up for it but that it all depends on whether or not he can get Charisma Carpenter to return for a couple of episodes so that they can do the storyline. If they can't, most likely expect Joss to not bring it back up anytime soon this season.

Edited August 2, 2003 by JasonX

[Guest Youth N Asia]

There's also going to be another female character. A secretary for Angel that's suppose to have a big role.

 

Not digging the Spike idea though.

[JasonX 0]

There's also going to be another female character. A secretary for Angel that's suppose to have a big role.

 

Not digging the Spike idea though.

Yeah. Said new character (named Eve IIRC) is supposed to be Angel's liason between the shadowy W&F senior partners, replacing the Lilah chick that was around in the previous seasons...

 

As for the Spike storyline, it has potential and gives a logical explaination as to why Spike would hang with Angel and not go off and reunited with Buffy....

[Guest Lil Naitch]

Harmony is the secretary. But there will be another female character that will be a liason between Angel and the Senior Partners.

[Guest Vyce]

Not digging the Spike story either.

 

He better become corporeal before the season's end, that's all I'll say.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Whoa this is the exact opposite of the Spike spoilers posted a few months ago. Are you sure about these?

 

The ones from a few months back made more sense.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Not to mention:

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

Why would Spike do that? They spent all that time on Buffy making him good and he died saving the world. So why would he torment the good guys?

[JasonX 0]

Whoa this is the exact opposite of the Spike spoilers posted a few months ago.  Are you sure about these?

 

The ones from a few months back made more sense.

Yeah, the "Spike crawls out of the rubble that is Sunnydale" explaination makes more sense but leaves a huge plot hole as towards why Spike isn't with Buffy....

 

Plus having him being forced to haunt Angel (who Spike hates) gives the show so much to work with in terms of storyline ideas in terms of Spike and Angel having to cooperate and work together...

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

1) "The Lilah Chick" is Lilah Fn' Morgan, and you better show so fuckin respect to her and all her foxiness.

 

2)Not diggin the Spike storyline either, but as usual with Angel, it will probably be better on TV than it sounds on paper.

 

3)I hate Harmony. It's up there in Rona-level hate.

 

4)No Lilah this season? That shit is WHACK!

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Whoa this is the exact opposite of the Spike spoilers posted a few months ago.  Are you sure about these?

 

The ones from a few months back made more sense.

Yeah, the "Spike crawls out of the rubble that is Sunnydale" explaination makes more sense but leaves a huge plot hole as towards why Spike isn't with Buffy....

 

Plus having him being forced to haunt Angel (who Spike hates) gives the show so much to work with in terms of storyline ideas in terms of Spike and Angel having to cooperate and work together...

No it doesn't. In the old spoilers Angel wouldn't let him leave till they figured out what was going on. He wanted to go find Buffy, but they wanted answers first.

[Guest Lil Naitch]

The old spoilers wer confirmed false by Joss himself, who said he hadn't even STARTED writing about the new season of Angel at the time.

And it makes perfect sense, in a way. Spike is brought back to torment Angel because he HATES Angel.

And I've heard rumors about making him corporeal around sweeps, which would coincide with a certain Slayer who is rumored to be making a guest appearance around then...

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Yeah but I still think that undercuts everything they did on Buffy.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

But then again it doesn't say he does go along with that guy's plans and it could be just torment to mess with him and not really Heelish torment.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Oh wait....I just got an idea of where this might be heading and it might be better than I thought, but I'll keep my mouth shut.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

As much as I love Spike, he should stay dead.

Ghost? Sounds potentially awful.

[JasonX 0]

As much as I love Spike, he should stay dead.

Ghost? Sounds potentially awful.

The carrying over of Spike to Angel was something of a desperation move by Joss to save the show. Angel was in serious danger of being cancelled throughout last season and that being able to get Marsters to commit to joining the cast was the only thing that made the WB renew the show.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Ah, I didn't know that.

Here's hoping they pull it off anyway.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I've said before I wish they'd leave Spike dead. His death was a great sendoff

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

His death was a 0.001 on the Bruce Willis in Armageddon scale of self-sacrifice.

[Conspiracy_Victim 0]

I dunno I'll give it a shot I guess. At least it explains why Spike doesn't go running off after Buffy. Plus, it says he acts as a nuisance, not actively hindering Angel and Co. So, it'll probably end up with him wandering around the building, popping in and out of conversations, peeking in on events, maybe tossing the occassional item across the room (more of a poltergeist than ghost). As for Harmy, as long as she's in VERY SMALL doses I can take her.

 

 

And no one can take Lilah's place. Her eeeevil hotness will be remembered always.

[Guest wrestlingbs]

I thought Lilah was dead? And which one was Harmony?

 

Angel doesn't seem half as good ass Buffy, but then again I stopped watching a year ago.

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

Last two seasons of Angel > Last two seasons of Buffy.

 

Lilah IS dead. But she was brought back temporarily in order to offer the Wolfram & Hart operations to AI, in the season 4 finale.

 

Harmony = Cordy's sometimes friend and high school snob who was turned into a vamp in Graduation Day Pt. 2 (though it wasn't revealed that she was turned until the beginning of season 4, when she attacked Willow). It was revealed that she was shacking up with Spike, before disappearing partway through Buffy season 5.

Edited August 3, 2003 by KingOfOldSchool

[Guest Youth N Asia]

His death was a 0.001 on the Bruce Willis in Armageddon scale of self-sacrifice.

Yeah, but Armageddon was fake

[Guest Mole]

Harmony is the secretary. But there will be another female character that will be a liason between Angel and the Senior Partners.

I was planning on not reading the spoilers, but someone had to say Harmony was going to be there. Thanks.

[Guest Mole]

Whoa this is the exact opposite of the Spike spoilers posted a few months ago.  Are you sure about these?

 

The ones from a few months back made more sense.

Yeah, the "Spike crawls out of the rubble that is Sunnydale" explaination makes more sense but leaves a huge plot hole as towards why Spike isn't with Buffy....

 

Plus having him being forced to haunt Angel (who Spike hates) gives the show so much to work with in terms of storyline ideas in terms of Spike and Angel having to cooperate and work together...

Damn, you too Jason. THEY ARE CALLED SPOILER TAGS.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Well those spoilers were proved false so it doesn't matter.

[Guest Mole]

Which one? Spike coming out of the rubble? Or Spike haunting Angel?

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

Actually neither. Spike coming out of the rubble was a totally different spoiler.

 

The one I'm talking about is:

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

Spike showing up in the white room of Wolfram and Hart and being human. And the first Male Vampire Slayer, because the Slayer Spell Willow did effected Spike because he was holding Buffy's hand

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I liked that spoiler.

[Guest Mole]

Ohh okay, I like that spoiler too.