Angle says Benoit deserves to be WWE champion

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

that's what I hate about benoit fanboys. they always bring back standing ovations bla bla bla japan bla bla bla he ain't got a history of NOT drawing on top... of course, he's never been on top!

 

I agree he may be the best in the world... after angle. angle can cut serious promos. he did just that with austin (between the milk truck and other shit), it's just that he's always been booked as a comedy act. the fact is that he could be booked to just cut a promo and he'd entertain you without wrestling.

I don't think you want to start a Benoit vs Angle debate. I really, really don't think you want to.

 

Angle's promos suck. The neck bobbing, the wide-eyed look, his pacing and delivery all blow, serious promo or not.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

I think every wrestler would say Benoit deserves to be a world champion except Triple H, Taker, Nash and Goldberg.

[Guest godthedog]

this is your brain:

 

Fact: Not only is he best in the WWE, he's tops in the world and arguably the best worker of all time. So, don't tell me that he's "midcard for life" when I see him getting standing ovations for constantly delivering the goods.

 

this is your brain on drugs:

The best in what? Hauling out the same match night in and night out? Stop living in the past. Benoit is probably not even top 100 caliber now. But everyone keeps saying he is because they're judging his past work. If that's the case, HHH should still be considered an awesome wrestler because of the 2000/2001 era. Benoit has had ONE standout match this year. ONE. And he got one standing ovation for that one, and a smaller one when he showed up on SD! the week after the PPV. Wow, TWO standing ovations. Hogan was getting NIGHTLY standing ovations as a heel and he possessed more charisma and mic skills in his pinky nail than three Benoit's EVER could. And you remember what happened when the put the title on him don't you?

 

any questions?

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I honestly think that a several month feud with Angle with a serious blowoff at say....Royal Rumble that gives Benoit the title. Benoit would consistantly get over with someone like Angle giving him the rub. Benoit could easily be built into World championship material. It just takes two things that WWE booking lacks......time and effort.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Benoit DOES suck on the mic. The promo with Eddie was horrendous. I'm not surprised his ass got booed. Luckily, Rhyno was there to cut an even worse promo and take some of the heat off of Benoit. "When was the last time you called me Eddie?" What the hell is that? A discarded line from the Brock/Angle love affair? Benoit hasn't cut a good promo since his mini feud with Angle, and that was months ago, and that was ONE PROMO.

 

The promo with Eddy was fine. He got booed because of Eddy, not because of his promo if you catch my drift.And what's wrong with asking when's the last time a friend has called? Usually, best friends keep in touch with each other, you know. You know why Benoit hasn't cut a great promo since his feud with Angle? Because he's barely been on the mic since then.

 

The best in what? Hauling out the same match night in and night out? Stop living in the past. Benoit is probably not even top 100 caliber now. But everyone keeps saying he is because they're judging his past work. If that's the case, HHH should still be considered an awesome wrestler because of the 2000/2001 era. Benoit has had ONE standout match this year. ONE. And he got one standing ovation for that one, and a smaller one when he showed up on SD! the week after the PPV. Wow, TWO standing ovations. Hogan was getting NIGHTLY standing ovations as a heel and he possessed more charisma and mic skills in his pinky nail than three Benoit's EVER could. And you remember what happened when the put the title on him don't you?

 

I dare you to name me one wrestler who doesn't work practically the same matches every night. I dare you. And he's had 2 great matches this year (his only two single matches of the year on PPV, by the way). And he's had a lot of solid matches on Smackdown and such. His tag matches were fine, but for the sake of this arguement, I won't use that because we are judging Benoit as a singles wrestler. Standing ovations like the one Benoit got are rare. Hogan is probably one of the only people to get them alot, but he still doesn't get them all the time.

 

Angle has cut numerous serious promos. Get Benoit's cock out of your ear and listen up boy. Rey is okay. TWGTT are rookies, and better at promos than Benoit, who is a fucking 10+ year vet. HHH does not suck on the mic. His promos draw heat and he's refined his work to get someone over or a program over. I can't remember the last long winded HHH promo I heard. La Resistance are rookies and they've drawn more heat with one of them as a friggin' teenager than Benoit EVER has as a heel except when he had SHANE FUCKING MCMAHON as a mouthpiece. And what is Benoit the best at? Getting obsessive fanboys to suck his cock and spill ther loads over matches that happened years ago? If that's it then I more than agree with you.

 

Angle doesn't cut very many promos, but when he does,I enjoy watching them, so no arguement. Rey barely talks, but is fine. I actually enjoy Benjamin on the mic, but not Haas so much. Triple H is fine, but can get repetetive and boring if the promo exceeds five minutes. La resistance sing the French anthem, which is hilarious, but is hard to judge mic skills on. Benoit is the best at pure wrestling.

[Guest shaqaustin34]

fact: benoit is great in the ring but on the mic sucks. period. today you gotta be the total package or you're no different from A Train.

 

 

fact: sure he can have his little main event here and there but no one wanna see him as the champ that struggles to cut a promo. he's not "so intense he doesn't need to cut promos".

You don't always need mic skills to win the champion. For example look at Brock Lesnear he had the belt and he can't cut a promo for shit.

And plus he could always turn heel(I like him better as heel anyway)and get a manager, who can do all the talking for him. He could have Shane as his manager, like he did when he had that feud with The Rock. And if you remeber at that time with Shane as his manager he won the belt for a couple of seconds. I believe Chris Benoit will win the champion in the future.

[Guest Goodear]

Honestly there is nothing to support the idea that Benoit is or would be over enough to carry the World Title. Sure, he got a standing ovation, but he had to have the WWE match of the year in order to get it. He simply doesn't have it in him anymore to put forth that kind of effort every night. There are something like six or seven guys who are more charismatic than he is and Eddy Guerrero has been wrestling at a higher level for months now.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Angles serious promos are awful. He just doesn't have the voice for it nor the pacing. That, and whenever he has a promo with Brock he keeps saying "Brock" a lot, Brock. He is better suited for those mid-card comedy promos, which he does really well. La Rez's promos are pure cheap heat and have nothing to do with what they say. Benjamin and Haas' promos are too short to even judge, and the WWE has each guy in the wrong role. Though Benjamins voice so fucking owns.

 

What makes a bad promo.

-flubbing lines.

-bad pacing.

-pointless.

-no emotion.

- ??

 

Listen to Benoits promos.

 

They're not "bad". They're just fine. They get across the angle, his character, and his point. Everything else is for "great" mic men and I can count the amount of "great" mic men in professional wrestling on one hand.

 

Hogan didn't get standing ovations for his EFFORT, he got standing ovations cause he was hulk fn hogan. These are two entirely different kind of applause. The fans were saying "thank you, good job" to Benoit.

[Guest PhantMan]

I honestly think that a several month feud with Angle with a serious blowoff at say....Royal Rumble that gives Benoit the title. Benoit would consistantly get over with someone like Angle giving him the rub. Benoit could easily be built into World championship material. It just takes two things that WWE booking lacks......time and effort.

I thank Dynamire for the above statement that just PERFECTLY illustrates the state of benoit, a 10 year plus veteran who's SO OVER he needs kurt angle to get over.

 

get my point?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

This is ridiculous. Benoit was getting jobbed out for the past few months going against guys like the Bashams, Albert, Ohaire, and Cena on what I like to call "Bumpin for the shitty guys 2003 Tour". I don't see how he was/is "uninspired" or "broken down" or doesn't "have it in him". He was only as good as his opponents were and he was, for the most part, just bumping for them. When put in there with good wrestlers (Eddie and Matt) he performed just fine. Him and Benjamin had a really good match on Smackdown a whiles back, Benjamins best singles performance to date. I think its a testiment to Benoits overness that, after months and months of getting buried down the card, the crowd STILL responds to him.

[Guest bob_barron]

I thank Dynamire for the above statement that just PERFECTLY illustrates the state of benoit, a 10 year plus veteran who's SO OVER he needs kurt angle to get over.

 

get my point?

Every wrestler needs another wrestler to help them get over.

 

Austin had Bret Hart.

Rock and Triple H had Mick Foley.

Mick Foley had the Undertaker.

Jericho had The Rock.

 

Get my point?

[Guest wildpegasus]

A note on the standing ovations: Benoit got one the next night after the Rumble against A-Train. He also got others against the Big Show and Nunzio plus others if I remember right. He was also super over in Halifax.

 

As for people who think Benoit doesn't deserve the belt over other wrestlers- That arguement holds absolutely no merit anymore. Benoit has gotten over despite being terrably booked. If the WWE put any kind of effort in pushing Benoit as they do others he'd easily do just as good of a job as champ. Look at HHH, Lesnar, Angle, Orton, Michaels, Nash, Steiner, Undertapper or even Angle. Benoit could do as good of a job as anyone from that list so why not push him? Give it a shot. Has Smackdown, Raw or any PPV bombed because Benoit was in the main event? No! You can also count on Benoit to physically put forth the best effort possable. The fans realise this. His fan base is more passionate than pretty much anyone else out there which would lead to I believe good PPV buys as people are more likely to order a PPV for wrestling instead of an interview.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Considering that Benoit basically "worked in" Angle in the beginning of Angles career, I think Kurt could be nice enough to return the favour

 

I could think of several scenarios where Benoit could get over in. It's just a matter of the WWE doing them.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

All I know is that after months and months of reading assfuck comments like "He will never get over", just the fact that he is over, and moreso than other guys that are sucked off by management (Gunn), it is a testament, and pretty much all I care about in this age of mediocrity, where poor or uninspring wrestlers are appraised and promoted simply because they are homegrown.

 

Consider this: Benoit has had not one tepid reaction on PPV this year. Not one, even when he's in a filler match.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Actually, Benoit has proven to be a good buyrates getter when he main events. Of course, most people would dismiss this to his opponents (and rightfully so), but the case could be made that he isn't a "failure" and warrants a chance at the top.

[Guest wildpegasus]

First things first-Kudos to Angle for telling it how it is.

Imagine if Benoit had the win record of the Undertapper. The thing that amazes me is that the fans still insist on cheering Benoit despite the super ridiculous burying he recieved after the end of the #1 contender for the heavyweight title tournament. That says something right there. Fans to my knowledge don't like to cheer losers even if they know wrestling is rigged. Yet, Benoit is still over.

[Guest PhantMan]

the bushwhackers were over, too, in their heyday...

[Guest godthedog]

the bushwhackers were over, too, in their heyday...

dude, shut up now. just shut up. you try to argue "benoit can't cut a promo, benoit can't cut a promo," rudo refutes you. you try to argue "benoit's not even a great worker anymore," EVERYBODY refutes you. you try to argue "benoit will never be over, benoit will never be over," rudo and pegasus refute you. then you try to say "well it doesn't matter if he's over, cause the bushwhackers were over too, nah nah nah." at this point you're just playing musical chairs with your arguments, and it's clear that you have no real point left to make.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Is that the best you can do?

 

The Bushwackers were 'over' for licking kids' dirty heads, just like the Dudleys are 'over' for still using the tables and Rikishi for still using the Stinkface. But they are dead TV characters thus the many weeks this year where they have either been on the B show or off TV completely. Benoit has been on Smackdown every week this year except for one, and there his Velocity match was hyped (a rarity).

 

Anyway, I've said my piece, and I'm done, because I know the detractors won't give Benoit an inch no matter what anybody says and his supporters definitely won't agree with what they say and that's just the way it is. It's the eternal stalemate.

[Detective Comics 0]

I honestly think that a several month feud with Angle with a serious blowoff at say....Royal Rumble that gives Benoit the title. Benoit would consistantly get over with someone like Angle giving him the rub. Benoit could easily be built into World championship material. It just takes two things that WWE booking lacks......time and effort.

I guess I am the only one who is sick of seeing the Angle v Benoit fued.... and nothing comes from it. Therefore, even if a title came from it, I still don't wanna see the same Benoit/Angle match.

 

Granted Benoit is still one of the better wrestlers in WWE, hes has been squashed with Rhyno, and I have lost all interest in him. To tell the truth, I have lost interest in most aspects of wrestling.

 

Things that still interest me:

 

Evolution... I hate HHH, Orton, and I really don't care for 2003 Flair, but I love their presentation.

 

Womens wrestling - more specifically, Molly Holly.... I was happy to see someone get a title out of nowhere based on skill.

 

Too many new guys that they didn't do anything with while they forgot about the people I still enjoyed watching, and it is just too stale....

 

Boy, I am starting to sound like every other person who posts here....

 

HATE HHH

[Guest PhantMan]

chris benoit is th steve austin wcw version of 2003... I can't see kids buying benoit dolls.

 

just put duggan over and fire his ass

 

just joking.

[Guest PhantMan]

ok, one more point and then I'm done with this argument.

 

jericho is over too but he'll never be champ again. why? bc he sucked.

 

goldberg is over but his reign will suck anyway since he's just a terrible individual.

 

being over today means selling merchandise and having a good catchphrase. it doesn't mean an automatic title reign.

 

period.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

The problem is I think if Benoit was in the ME week in, week out he'd start getting out-popped. He works much better when it's a "special" thing to see him in the ME's.

 

I mean for God's sake, he was out-popped by Eddy Guerrero. Give Guerrero the title before Benoit. At the very least Guerrero has shown he has the charisma to be number 1.

[Detective Comics 0]

I would agree Benoit isn't very marketable.... I don't see what that has to do with a title reign and whether or not he deserves it.

 

Benoit doesn't even have a gimmick any more. Does he even have any motives in wrestling? Or does he just go out there every week and pointlessly wrestle? Other then getting thrown in the US Title tourney it seems to me the guy hasn't had any character motivations latelty.

[Guest ManKinnd]

the bushwhackers were over, too, in their heyday...

dude, shut up now. just shut up. you try to argue "benoit can't cut a promo, benoit can't cut a promo," rudo refutes you. you try to argue "benoit's not even a great worker anymore," EVERYBODY refutes you. you try to argue "benoit will never be over, benoit will never be over," rudo and pegasus refute you. then you try to say "well it doesn't matter if he's over, cause the bushwhackers were over too, nah nah nah." at this point you're just playing musical chairs with your arguments, and it's clear that you have no real point left to make.

Amen to that.

Benoit still rocks in the ring, he IS over, and could definately be a credible champion. All the great points I could muster have already been given in this thread, so I'll just say that I'm on the list of people that think Benoit can still get it done.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

The main reason why I'd like to see Benoit get a title reign is just to put this arguement to bed. People have been debating this for YEARS now, with no end in sight. I'd say give him a few month run with a belt, and see if the sheep in the audience buy into him as a champion. If so, great, he got his chance and proved that all the smarks were right. If he DOESN'T win over the marks in the audience, at least the Benoit fanboys will have seen their man as champion and we can move beyond this debate.

[Guest PhantMan]

you just know it'll be SOMEONE ELSE's fault if he screws up as champ...

[Guest Nevermortal]

I could see many, many Angle/Benoit matches and I'd never get sick of them, because they always seem to make them fresh and interesting. Case and Point, the Rumble. That was, without a doubt, their strongest match to date, and that was after they had worked each other more than 5 times!

 

I honestly think they might build a "CHOKER" image for Benoit, much like they did for Jericho. Benoit will beat Rhyno, and he'll then complain about being fucked out of every shot he's ever had (he could even bring up how Mick Foley screwed him out of the title back in the summer of 2000), and then go on a hunt for the champion's blood, win the belt, then get his comeuppance months later. But I honestly think it'll take a manager to do so.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Jericho will never be champ b/c he sucked? Yeah it's kind of hard to be a good champ when you are backed down by everyone, and have to cheat to beat fucking MAVEN. Oh and not just Ric Flair or Eddie Guerrerro cheating. Using EVERY rule breaker in the book.

[Guest bob_barron]

Jericho will never be champ b/c he sucked? Yeah it's kind of hard to be a good champ when you are backed down by everyone, and have to cheat to beat fucking MAVEN. Oh and not just Ric Flair or Eddie Guerrerro cheating. Using EVERY rule breaker in the book.

Jericho didn't cheat to beat Maven. He beat him cleanly