Hopefully, the last string about austin/wwf

[Guest TheMikeSC]

There is one little thing that has been rumored that may explain Steve Austin's actions.

 

Stories STILL swirl that Hall showed up at WM hungover and in terrible shape---which led Austin to refuse to do the job.

 

He then, reportedly, told Vince that he can either live up to his word and fire Hall for being drunk (which Vince DID promise) or Austin walks after the PPV.

 

Vince didn't live up to his word, Austin had the result changed and left.

                          -=Mike

[Guest Austin3164life]

Which would really suck if Austin were to quit.....

[Guest Anglesault]

Then I agree with Steve even more than I already did.

[Guest Austin3164life]

If Hall showed up hung over at Wrestlemania, then I think Steve is right for taking a stand and taking off.  This might show Vince that the product isn't good at all, and it's due for a huge overhaul.  BTW, Anglesault do you have an AOL screen name?  Mine is AustinSTILLRulz.....I wanted to ask you something a while ago.....

[Guest Risk]

I hope Austin does leave.  Once McMahon loses all of his top stars because of his own stupidity he will have to improve things.  Luckily, Austin can help another organization to give McMahon some competition.

[Guest Austin3164life]

I doubt that WWA would be able to afford Austin.  I hear he's getting 7-9 mil a year w/the WWF.....

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Hey Risk, you do realise Austin has a contract with the WWF right? He can't just pick up his ball and go home when he's upset and think nothing will come with it. If Austin doesn't come back really soon, Vince should sue his ass for breach of contract and see what he thinks then.

[Guest Anglesault]

Hey Risk, you do realise Austin has a contract with the WWF right? He can't just pick up his ball and go home when he's upset and think nothing will come with it. If Austin doesn't come back really soon, Vince should sue his ass for breach of contract and see what he thinks then.

So you condone what the nWClique is doing?

[Guest Austin3164life]

If Vince were to do that, Austin would probably just quit before it happened.  Vince would have to be a huge megalomaniac if he were to sue Austin just for standing up for himself, and the interests of other wrestlers (RVD, Angle).  Vince's ego is blinding him to the truth that the nWO shouldnt've been brought in, and that the clique is starting to regain its power that it had 5-6 years ago......

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

If you children got off your computers and went out into the real world like the rest of us, you might realise that corporate/workplace politics are the norm, not the exception. I respect the nWo a hell of a lot more than a multi-millionaire who dishonors a massive contract that he signed because of purely selfish personal reasons. What's even funnier is that Austin has managed to convince all the marks on the net that what he is doing is correct.

 

If you fools think what Austin is doing is so great, then I challenge you to do the same thing. Go to work (assuming you have jobs) and tell your boss that won't be coming to work for a few weeks because you are upset about office favoritism and because you want a promotion to a better position than the one you are in now. And see if you don't get fired and/or sued promptly.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Just because you are a Hogan mark and you don't care about much better wrestlers (Austin, Angle, RVD, Jericho) getting depushed, doesn't mean that backstage politics are good.  What we are trying to reitorate is that doing things like that is immoral.  We all know it exists (and btw, I have a job).  Some people agree with Austin because he could be taking a stand for the talents who are being held down by the nWo, who are beginning to fade out.  If you agree with all the politics that is being done, than it's obvious your business preferences match those of the clique.  Yes, we realize backstage crap is gonna be there.  Once someone decides to question those politics, you go off saying Austin should be fired.  Vince's egomania blinds him from realizing that Austin brings him the most money, NOT this Rock/Hogan lovefest.  If Austin were to be canned, the WWF would go on, but it'd be worse.  We'd be watching Triple H bury more and more talents, and eventually the ratings would slip since the nWo and Triple H would hog the entire show.  If that's what you want to happen, that's your opinion.  I'm not shooting you down for acknowledging the fact that there are going to be politic players, I'm just saying that it's immoral, and Austin is right to be sticking up for himself and for the interests of the locker room......

[Guest Austin3164life]

The way things are going, looks like Austin is going to join the club of "wrestlers-pissed-about-the-way-the-wwf-is" with Bret Hart and Mick Foley......

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Oh right, backstage politics are "immoral" yet it's alright to ignore a contract that gives you more money in a year than most of us will make in a lifetime. The fact is, if Austin were a baseball player pulling the same shit, people would be jumping down his throat.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Hey, Hogan Made Wrestling, I think you're missing the point I was trying to make.  I'm trying to say that right now, Austin is pissed because backstage politics are being employed by Triple H and the clique to put themselves in higher places.  How can you say what Triple H is doing is right, and what Austin is doing (defending his position in the WWF, and representing the locker room frustration)?  Vince can't ignore the needs of his employees.  Austin, RVD, and Jericho, three of Vince's most valuable guys, are probably pretty ticked as to what Triple H has been doing in the booking committee.  This isn't an example of intelligence on Hunter's part, it's ruthlessness.  Before you say, "oh Austin wont job to Hall, or any up and comer", look at the facts.  Scott Hall just came back into wrestling, a recovering alcoholic, trying to rediscover his talent and heat.  I don't think that qualifies Hall a win over Austin.  Also, Austin has jobbed to Triple H last year, when Austin was the challenger to Rock's title leading into WM.  Austin jobbed the title to a face-Angle to elevate Angle more.  Austin also jobbed to RVD on Smackdown, realizing RVD's potential and growing popularity.  Finally, Austin also jobbed wrestling's greatest honor, to an up and coming top heel, Chris Jericho.  Austin probably deserved the belts, but he realized Jericho could use the push, and also pulled him aside two weeks before the event, to tell him that he's gonna win.  Triple H and the clique are now in higher spots than Austin.  X-Pac, for Christ's sake, is in a higher spot than Austin is.  What Austin is doing now may look like breach of contract and blah blah blah, but what he is really doing is standing up for himself and the locker room.....

[Guest Brian]

From the Torch:

 

- One of the reasons Austin may be frustrated this week is because his ex-wife moved back to England and took the kids.

 

- Hall was at the hotel the night before getting drunked.

 

 

Austin's already going through hard times, and Hall's not supposed to be drinking at all (remember the pill).

[Guest]

This is becoming sickening.

 

"How can you say what Triple H is doing is right, and what Austin is doing (defending his position in the WWF, and representing the locker room frustration)?"

 

Because everything that Triple H is supposedly doing is speculation at the moment. Offer me evidence. Just once. I beg of you.

 

What Austin is doing is wrong. You cannot shoot around that. He has a job to do and is refusing to do it. Agreeing with him (which I actually do) does not make it right.

 

Anyone who thinks that Austin is doing this to stand up for Angle, RVD, or anyone else in the locker room is deluding themselve. Austin is looking out for Austin and noone else.

 

I see the point that the Austin supporters are trying to make. Now try to see the other side of the equation. Morally Austin is right, proffessionally he is wrong. Can we agree on that at least? If not, go and ask the people who bought tickets to the house shows that Austin no showed for and see what they think.

[Guest Risk]

Ignore this message.

[Guest Risk]

What's even funnier is that Austin has managed to convince all the marks on the net that what he is doing is correct.

 

You insult us and call us marks?  Look at your name, princess.  Man, you are such a whiny bitch, why is that?  You seem to just insult EVERYONE on here if they don't agree with you.  Get over yourself, and, oh yeah...GET BENT!

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

LOL, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[Guest Ignatz Belzner]

Alright, what is it with people and disregarding the notion that maybe Scott Hall can control his alcoholism?  I mean, it can be done, people.  In addition, he's on medication that makes him violently ill or very dead if he drinks too much.  Be kinda hard to participate in a match the next day after an experience like that.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Morally Austin is right, proffessionally he is wrong. Can we agree on that at least?

 

Absolutely.  The fact that people think that he is morally right is why there hasn't been much of a backlash against him.  However, if he continues to skip shows for any length of time, public opinion will turn against him.  I can guarantee you that.

[Guest Risk]

LOL, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

Wow.  That was...surreal.  Why do you come here just to start fights?  It's like you want to make people angry.  I mean you have called everyone in this thread:

 

Children

Marks

Idiots

ect al.

 

Why do you feel the need to insult people who are not insulting you?  You haven't been provoked, yet you seem to be provoking others(including me).  Can't you respect someone else's opinion without STARTING name-calling?

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<If you children got off your computers and went out into the real world like the rest of us, you might realise that corporate/workplace politics are the norm, not the exception. I respect the nWo a hell of a lot more than a multi-millionaire who dishonors a massive contract that he signed because of purely selfish personal reasons. What's even funnier is that Austin has managed to convince all the marks on the net that what he is doing is correct.>>>

 

 

Austin is doing the right thing. Call us marks if you will.

 

 

<<<If you fools think what Austin is doing is so great, then I challenge you to do the same thing. Go to work (assuming you have jobs) and tell your boss that won't be coming to work for a few weeks because you are upset about office favoritism and because you want a promotion to a better position than the one you are in now. And see if you don't get fired and/or sued promptly. >>>

 

 

How about we go with an example that fits a little better, shall we?

 

Let's say it's five years ago. "Seinfeld" is, hands down, NBC's biggest show.

 

Suddenly, they decide to buy the rights to a TV show from Britain that, while once popular, stopped drawing ratings years ago. The show is also offensive to Jerry for whatever reason. The star of the new show violates the clauses in his contract at least once (and reportedly twice) in less than 2 months.

 

NBC then, with no real justification for the decision, decides to put the new show on at 8P on Thursdays while moving Seinfeld to Saturday nights. Keep in mind, that "Seinfeld" has done everything asked---delivered good ratings, helped give good ratings to the terrible shows before and after it, and basically helped keep NBC's bottom line high.

 

Jerry is pissed about this and tells NBC that either they put his show back where it belongs and makes the other show's star live up to his deal or he'll simply stop showing up in protest.

 

How many seconds would it take NBC to cancel the other show?

                  -=Mike

[Guest teke184]

Since it's NBC, they'd put the other show in line ASAP.  

 

However, the WWF is closer to FOX's method of running a network than NBC and FOX would tell their biggest star on their biggest show (such as David Duchovny) to fuck off.

[Guest Big Poppa Smurf]

Seinfeld aired at 9pm and while Jerry could try to get NBC to put his show back on Thursdays he would have no chance of getting anything done to the other show because besides the goings on of the other show being none of Jerry Seinfelds goddamn business it would also set a bad precedent to allow a contracted talent to be allowed to publicly strongarm management.

NBC would try to come to a compromise but they wouldn't acquiesce to Seinfelds threats especially when NBC would have still had Friends as a contingency in case Seinfeld refused to come to work. Just like Vince has the Rock.

[Guest El Satanico]

NBC would've given in rather quickly. Vince did as well.

[Guest El Satanico]

If the rumors about Hall being hung over and backstage politics getting bad are right then we should be thanking Austin for standing up to them. I don't see how he could be considered "a bad guy" if the rumored problems are accurate.

 

Also since we don't even truly know what the problem was/is we can't make a real judgement on him. And there is no reason anyone should condemn him when we don't even know the whole story besides what's been rumored.

[Guest Big Poppa Smurf]

We also shouldn't crap all over Scott Hall since there is no real proof that he did anything wrong.

[Guest Anglesault]

We also shouldn't crap all over Scott Hall since there is no real proof that he did anything wrong.

Because Scotch "Last Call" AlkaHall would NEVER do anything like that...

[Guest Big Poppa Smurf]

Nope, because its just a rumor.