Hopefully, the last string about austin/wwf

[Guest Anglesault]

Nope, because its just a rumor.

A Rumor that is more likey to be true than untrue.

[Guest Big Poppa Smurf]

Likely or not it shouldn't be taken as fact in this situation especially when derogatory rumors about Austin are dismissed.

[Guest Anglesault]

Because Austin hasn't done anything earn those rumors.

[Guest muzanisa]

Hasn't done anything to earn rumours?

What have I been reading since wrestlemania then?

Who was that man who refused to work with Jeff Jarrett?

 

There are just as many rumours about Austin backstage as any other wrestler.

[Guest Anglesault]

Hasn't done anything to earn rumours?

What have I been reading since wrestlemania then?

Who was that man who refused to work with Jeff Jarrett?

 

There are just as many rumours about Austin backstage as any other wrestler.

Austin did what he HAD to do after Mania.

 

And you saw Jarrett in WCW. Should Austin have lost to him?

[Guest Big Poppa Smurf]

Austin did what he HAD to do after Mania.

 

And why did he HAVE to go on a workstrike? Oh yeah because of a rumor about Scott Hall that has yet to be confirmed as fact by anyone reputable. Gotcha.

 

And you saw Jarrett in WCW. Should Austin have lost to him?

 

If thats how the angle was booked, yes.

And demeaning Jeff Jaretts skills doesn't help your case any.

[Guest Anglesault]

Austin did what he HAD to do after Mania.

 

And why did he HAVE to go on a workstrike? Oh yeah because of a rumor about Scott Hall that has yet to be confirmed as fact by anyone reputable. Gotcha.

 

And you saw Jarrett in WCW. Should Austin have lost to him?

 

If thats how the angle was booked, yes.

And demeaning Jeff Jaretts skills doesn't help your case any.

Austin HAD to try to put a stop to the nWClique. He needed to show Vince what those Power leeches were doing.  And I'm pretty sure Meltzer confirmed that AlkaHall showed up hung over.

 

And I was pointing out that Jarrett wasn't exactly a heat magnet.

[Guest muzanisa]

Everything is rumour. There are still some people who say that Montreal was a work. The facts as far as any of us can ascertain them are that Austin didn't show up for a bunch of stuff that he was meant to be at, including TV and a couple of house shows that people bought tickets for on the basis of him appearing there. Although for all we know that whole situation could have been a work to reinforce the free agaent storyline (far fetched but you never know).

We've all read about who are the master politicians backstage and jump all over them when there's a new story about them holding someone down.

If what has been reported about Austin is accurate and you get on the boards and attack HHH,Hogan and the NWO for what you've read in the sheets or on the net then don't start looking for excuses for Austin.

If you only base your opinions  on things that you know are 100% accurate please feel free to defend him to your hearts content.

[Guest Loss4Words]

Is the fact that HHH has gone over Jericho like 3 million times in the past few years not proof? Is the fact that he's dating the head of the booking committee not proof? Is the fact that he has yet to lose a single feud since 1999 not proof? Is the fact that he's done one clean job while Austin and Rock have done many more not proof? Is the fact that the Observer reported that HHH was badmouthing wrestlers at production meetings not proof? Is the fact that HHH buried Jericho on Off the Record not proof? Is the fact that HHH and Jericho got in a shouting match where HHH went to everyone involved in the Jericho-Angle match a month ago on Raw and told them to blame Jericho for the botched finish not proof? Is HHH badmouthing Jericho on TV while his girlfriend upstages his Wrestlemania opponent not proof?

 

Geez ... what more proof do you want. NO ONE has gotten a true main event push since HHH. NO ONE.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Austin did what he HAD to do after Mania.

 

And why did he HAVE to go on a workstrike? Oh yeah because of a rumor about Scott Hall that has yet to be confirmed as fact by anyone reputable. Gotcha.

 

 

Yet, the stories of Austin refusing to job to Jarrett are accepted as gospel?

 

You really can't have it both ways here.

 

 

And you saw Jarrett in WCW. Should Austin have lost to him?

 

If thats how the angle was booked, yes.

And demeaning Jeff Jaretts skills doesn't help your case any.

 

 

There aren't many skills to demean. Jeff was a decent worker---nothing more.

                        -=Mike

[Guest Brian]

I got that from the PWTorch.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Well, since everything's speculative, then why do we even bother bitching about ANYTHING?  I mean, there could be hundreds of different situations or contexts that Austin, Triple H, Steph, Patterson, Rock, Sock, D-Lo, or homo could be acting under that we don't know about.

 

Oh, yeah - it's because we're smart marks.  It's in our job description to be deliberate assholes every once in a while.

[Guest]

Um, if Scott Hall had show up drunk and hungover for WM, I believe he would've been fired on the spot. It's not like he was in the middle of an earth shattering angle as Austin had already killed any NWO momentum. Look at the NWO now, they're just an average heel stable. You mean to tell me that Vince thinks that Hall of all people is irreplaceable?

 

Also if Hall had shown up drunk at WM, it would have been all over the net by that Monday, but it wasn't. In fact it was a pretty recent rumor that I only see the Austin Crusaders spreading.

 

As for Meltzer, the guy is not God people. I'm seriously beginning to believe if the guy told you all that rat poison would make you immortal you all would happily drink up and die for your foolishness. The guy is a good reporter, but he's HUMAN, meaning he has flaws, such as bias. It's pretty well known that Meltzer doesn't care for HHH and despises the NWO. Do you actually believe that bias won't shine through in his reports?

 

And HMW said it best, I'd like to see you all go to YOUR jobs and do the same thing Austin did, and have your boss give in. It ain't going to happen. There are politics in the workplace, ANY workplace. Why do you expect the WWF to be any different? It's just a way of life.

[Guest Brian]

He wasn't drunk at WrestleMania, he's was drinking in the bar the night before. Nobody even said he got drunk, point was he wasn't supposed drinking at all and his "medication" was supposed to prevent him from doing so.

[Guest]

So basically Austin decided to walk out on the company becuase Scott Hall decided to have a few beers? Pathetic.

[Guest Anglesault]

So basically Austin decided to walk out on the company becuase Scott Hall decided to have a few beers? Pathetic.

Hall broke the conditions of his contract, so Austin did the same. Tit for tat. If you want to look at it that way.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

So basically Austin decided to walk out on the company becuase Scott Hall decided to have a few beers? Pathetic.

So basically Austin decided to walk out on the company becuase Scott Hall decided to have a few beers? Pathetic.

 

 

Heaven forbid he expect Scott Hall to LIVE UP TO HIS CONTRACT.

 

Scott SHOULD have been fired for drinking at all.

                        -=Mike

 

...People seem to forget that Hall has a drinking problem---having a few beers is more than "no big deal"

[Guest Brian]

I chronicled everything in another post, but here it goes:

 

Austin carried the company for a year. Rock was gone. Triple H was gone. He was against turning heel in the first place, and that neded up being a bad business move. He worked hard. He wrestled, sometimes harder than most people believed his body could take.

 

Austin's wife left to England, taking his kids.

 

Austin gets dumped to the side, not even in the final four matches of WrestleMania.

 

Austin is asked to work a program with a guy who has a rep for being sloppy in the ring, despite his bad neck. He's also asked to do the job.

 

Hall comes in, low tolerance, short leash supposedly. He also tells everyone he's taking medication that keeps him from drinking. But Hall drinks. Does that sound like a guy who's prohibited from drinking.

 

Austin's got a bunch of things going wrong professionally and personally. Maybe he's not justified, maybe he is, but there's probably more to this than we know.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Um, if Scott Hall had show up drunk and hungover for WM, I believe he would've been fired on the spot. It's not like he was in the middle of an earth shattering angle as Austin had already killed any NWO momentum. Look at the NWO now, they're just an average heel stable. You mean to tell me that Vince thinks that Hall of all people is irreplaceable?

 

 

You seem to forget that Hall isn't supposed to drink AT ALL.

 

When you have a long-time drunk under contract---his drinking becomes a huge issue.

 

And, the nWo SHOULD not dominate. None are terribly good in the ring and the angle ceased being entertaining back in 1999.

 

Also if Hall had shown up drunk at WM, it would have been all over the net by that Monday, but it wasn't. In fact it was a pretty recent rumor that I only see the Austin Crusaders spreading.

 

 

I read in some places that Hall was drinking in Toronto around the time of WrestleMania. He was also drunk in Las Vegas right after signing his contract---so he ALREADY has a bad track record.

 

As for Meltzer, the guy is not God people. I'm seriously beginning to believe if the guy told you all that rat poison would make you immortal you all would happily drink up and die for your foolishness. The guy is a good reporter, but he's HUMAN, meaning he has flaws, such as bias. It's pretty well known that Meltzer doesn't care for HHH and despises the NWO. Do you actually believe that bias won't shine through in his reports? [\QUOTE]

 

 

You know, if you found somebody who denied this, you might have a point. However, when a story is broken and no denials are issued---well, you can take a hint.

 

Is Meltzer wrong occasionally? Absolutely.

 

However, it's not like the story is too outlandish.

 

And HMW said it best, I'd like to see you all go to YOUR jobs and do the same thing Austin did, and have your boss give in. It ain't going to happen. There are politics in the workplace, ANY workplace. Why do you expect the WWF to be any different? It's just a way of life.

 

 

And Austin is fighting against them. More power to him.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

"Heaven forbid he expect Scott Hall to LIVE UP TO HIS CONTRACT."

 

The last time I checked, Austin isn't part of the WWF's front office, so other people's contracts are none of his business. And he should be worrying about living up to his contract (specifically, showing up for work when he's contracted to do so) rather than bitching and moaning about what other people are supposed to be doing.

[Guest]

>>>Heaven forbid he expect Scott Hall to LIVE UP TO HIS CONTRACT.<<<

 

Austin can't even live up to his own contract. Why should he worry about what Scott is doing?

[Guest Brian]

And Austin shouldn't be worried about taking moves from this guy? I would be.

[Guest Big Poppa Smurf]

So Austin gets a free pass from the collective wrath of the Smarks, all rumors and innuendo against him dismissed and not a harsh word uttered because he is doing this as a valiant act against the oppressive tyranny of the NWO.

Silly rabbits.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

So Austin gets a free pass from the collective wrath of the Smarks, all rumors and innuendo against him dismissed and not a harsh word uttered because he is doing this as a valiant act against the oppressive tyranny of the NWO.

Silly rabbits.

You make it sound as though the IWC's opinion is something that everybody should really be concerned about.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

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"Heaven forbid he expect Scott Hall to LIVE UP TO HIS CONTRACT."

 

The last time I checked, Austin isn't part of the WWF's front office, so other people's contracts are none of his business. And he should be worrying about living up to his contract (specifically, showing up for work when he's contracted to do so) rather than bitching and moaning about what other people are supposed to be doing. >>>

 

 

Austin has a bad neck and is expected to job to a guy who has been drinking---and who is pretty sloppy when sober?

 

Self-preservation is in his best interests.

 

And, if he WAS showing up for matches, he'd basically be Hogan's flunkie. He already played that role for HHH last year.

              -=Mike

[Guest]

Yeah, those NWO guys, they sure have alot of power. [/sarcasm].

 

If Austin hadn't been so quick to be a whiny, uncooporative little pussy, perhaps he could have seen things as they really are instead of getting caught up in the hype.

 

Austin failed to realize that this IS NOT WCW we're talking about. The NWO came in powerless and that's way they are now, powerless and almost heatless too. They went from super-over heels on their first RAW to being punked out and out smarted by a beer driking redneck three shows later. That beer drinking redneck had been put over them from the start and then had the nerve to run off because he had to lose, despite it being in a fashion that would make him look strong? Give me a break.

 

How can Austin be running off in protest. What is their to protest except for the first time since WM14, a healthy Steve Austin has not headlined a WM. He has to learn that he's not always going to be on top. If he's having this much trouble adjusting now, how do you think it'll be when he has to pass the torch for good?

 

As for the power of the NWO, what power? Hall is wrestling Crash Holly of all people?! Nash is injured. Hogan is a face now. As for X-Pac, he's a guy that just talks big. Is this what Austin was protesting against? Pathetic.

 

He couldn't have been protesting Hall's supposed drinking. Why should he have to fear for his safety? Until smark darling Steve Austin tucked tail and ran off, Scott Hall was said to be the best worker out of the NWO. He could pull off a number of decent matches when sober.  It's pretty much a fact that Hall wasn't drunk at WM so what was Austin afraid of since he would be getting in most of the offense in anyway? Besides Hall isn't the one that nearly sliced off Undertaker's ear with his kneebrace. But I guess that's not sloppy work since it's Austin?

[Guest Anglesault]

Austin failed to realize that this IS NOT WCW we're talking about. The NWO came in powerless and that's way they are now, powerless

Hunter is booked as God. X-Pac is main eventing. You don't think something's a bit off there?

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Yeah, those NWO guys, they sure have alot of power. [/sarcasm].

 

If Austin hadn't been so quick to be a whiny, uncooporative little pussy, perhaps he could have seen things as they really are instead of getting caught up in the hype.

 

Austin failed to realize that this IS NOT WCW we're talking about. The NWO came in powerless and that's way they are now, powerless and almost heatless too. They went from super-over heels on their first RAW to being punked out and out smarted by a beer driking redneck three shows later. That beer drinking redneck had been put over them from the start and then had the nerve to run off because he had to lose, despite it being in a fashion that would make him look strong? Give me a break.>>>

 

 

Yeah, the WWF is NOTHING like WCW.

 

We don't have an aging, over-the-hill Hulk Hogan challenging for the World Title against a less-than-stellar champ while younger, more competent talent are left in the mid-card to struggle for whatever scraps of air time are left, do we?

 

How foolish of us.

 

 

<<<How can Austin be running off in protest. What is their to protest except for the first time since WM14, a healthy Steve Austin has not headlined a WM. He has to learn that he's not always going to be on top. If he's having this much trouble adjusting now, how do you think it'll be when he has to pass the torch for good? >>>

 

 

He's never been asked to pass the torch and you can not name anybody in the WWF, save Angle, who can match him in the ring or in terms of heat. There is no justification in him NOT being involved in a main event.

 

 

<<<As for the power of the NWO, what power? Hall is wrestling Crash Holly of all people?! Nash is injured. Hogan is a face now. As for X-Pac, he's a guy that just talks big. Is this what Austin was protesting against? Pathetic.>>>

 

 

Hm, X-Pac is in the ME. Hall can violate his contract. Hogan is in the ME of Backlash apparently

 

Yup, those guys are powerless.

 

<<<He couldn't have been protesting Hall's supposed drinking. Why should he have to fear for his safety? Until smark darling Steve Austin tucked tail and ran off, Scott Hall was said to be the best worker out of the NWO. He could pull off a number of decent matches when sober.  It's pretty much a fact that Hall wasn't drunk at WM so what was Austin afraid of since he would be getting in most of the offense in anyway? Besides Hall isn't the one that nearly sliced off Undertaker's ear with his kneebrace. But I guess that's not sloppy work since it's Austin? >>>

 

 

Hall has been viewed as the best of the nWo---but it's not exactly being the top of an elite group.

                 -=Mike

 

...Who's the best poster named Mike posting in this string at this moment.