Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 2, 2002 As most of you know, The New York Yankee team is drastically changed from last year. Well, today we got to see if it was for the better. After losing 563 to 1 against the Baltimore Orioles of all teams, do you think thise moves were a bad idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted April 2, 2002 From a statistical point they were almost all great moves, however from a monetary and winning point they weren't. Giambi played poorly in the post seaseon last year and has a history of hamstring injuries and has never been on a World Series winner. He has also "taken over" the lead role in the locker room already, when Jeter's style of play and personality seem to be more fitted for the Yankees right now. Giambi's motto is "play like All Stars, Party like rock stars, and hammer like Porn stars" while this is funny and went over well with the much younger A's, I don't see the veteran Yanks taking a liking to this attitude leading their team. The rest of their pick ups were OK at best, Karsay is good but at $5 mil a year for a middle reliever it's stupid, Ventura was a good player who's age and injuries have caught up to him, Vander Wal is a good pinch hitter and really unproven as an everyday starter, Hitchcock isn't good and is already on the DL, Alberto Castillo can't hit his weight, Ron Coomer and Rondell White are decent hitters with injury problems, and Gerald Williams is a psycho and a decent player. They lost guys who knew how to win ballgames and were (Knaublach excepted) a postive influence and a few who are still pretty productive. Tino will probably have a huge year in St. Lousis with a better line up around him. Clemens is 40, El Duque is about 75, Mendoza already hurt, Rivera is no longer untouchable after the Red Sox got him twice and Game 7 of the WS last year, Petitte has an injury, Stanton is 35/36 and made over 70 appearences last year, Jeter has a history of injuries, Wells is 40, fat and coming off back surgery, and the members of the Bullpen not mentioned suck. You Yankee's fans need to pray that everything falls right for you (all the things I've listed don't happen and Mussina and Bernie stay sane) or the Sox, if Pedro is healthy which seems unlikely are going to catch up to you. This is not written as a spiteful Red Sox fan grasping at straws, but as a Baseball fan who tries ot look at things objectively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DragonflyKid Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Being a A's fan as I have been my whole life, I wish nothing but a miserable season for Giambi and the Yanks(also being a Kings fan I wish the Lakers a miserable post season). They will still be a strong team but I'm wondering if Giambi will last the whole season. When he first came up he was no where near the size he is now, all that muscle mass has made him injury prone and I doubt he'll be healthy for the full season. I think it will come down to how the aging pitchers hold up, if they do I predict an 85 win season and a playoff birth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted April 2, 2002 If I were a Yankee fan, I wouldn't panic over one game, even if it was the Orioles. Of course, Clemens has to turn 40 sometime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted April 2, 2002 "This is not written as a spiteful Red Sox fan grasping at straws, but as a Baseball fan who tries ot look at things objectively." As long as "objectively" means "in a negative light," then you're spot-on. Giambi is a large upgrade over Martinez. Tino is past his prime, entering the last years of his career. He had a good year in a contract season, something that's not at all uncommon. Giambi is a perpetual .330 hitter, who will hit 40 homers and drive in 125+ runs per season. He's in the middle of a good lineup, and plays half his games in a park that's favorable for left-handed power hitters. His hamstring injuries -- hardly chronic -- don't matter in a league where a tight leg can win you a few games as the DH. Besides, they're not paying him to run fast. Karsay is a strong addition to their bullpen. Financially, committing that much money to a setup man is just plain dumb, unless they see Rivera as vulnerable and want to use Karsay as an occasional closer. They overpaid for him, but he's good at what he does. Rondell White is good when he's healthy. The problem is, he's not healthy very often, and the Yankees should have looked elsewhere to upgrade their outfield. He'll do pretty well in the 100 games he plays, but the Yanks will find out the quality of their outfield depth in the sixty he doesn't. Ventura is a good stopgap until Drew Henson is ready. You're making it sound like they want him to play there for years. Sure, he's not the player he was, but he's still got a couple decent years in him, and I'm thinking one of them will be this year. John Vander Wal was basically brought in as the veteran to try and replace Paul O'Neill's presence. Bad move, methinks. This is Jeter's team now (and Giambi has said that on more than one occasion), and they should let him run with it. Get a solid bat and glove out there and let Derek step up in the clubhouse. They got Hitchcock last year, which I didn't think was a very good move then, and still isn't. Alberto Castillo is a backup catcher known for his defense and strong arm. Since he's only going to play 30-40 games, who cares how well he hits? "You Yankee's fans need to pray that everything falls right for you..." Not at all. The Yankess are still a good, experienced team. Clemens might be getting up there, but who won the Cy Young Award last season? Mussina's a legitimate ace, and Pettitte is solid. That's a pretty damn good top three. Hernandez and Wells can be mediocre (Wells will be, El Duque will be decent) and they'll still do well. They're going to win the division again, and their superior experience will benefit them come playoff time once more. Keep in mind that I hate the Yankees. But if you want objectivity, there it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted April 2, 2002 You agreed with almost every thing I wrote. Just in a more diplomatic way, not necesarilly a more objective way. BTW that post is the nicest I've ever been to the Yanks or their fans. Giambi has gained a lot of weight in the last few years and has caused him multiple hamstring problems in the last few years, including spring training. They are paying him $17 mil a year, I think they expect him to play defense in addition to hitting, hamstring problems prevent that. I never said they weren't good when healthy, I questioned their ability to stay that way. Tino is a Gold Glove 1st baseman and a .300, 30, 100 hitter who has helped take the team to 4 WS wins in the last 5 years and they dumped him for a guy totaly unproven in the post season, with poor defense. Pedro won the CY in 99 + 2000, Nomar the Batting title in 99 + 2000, Manny the RBI title in 99. Look at what injuries did to the Red Sox last year. It could happen to the Yanks, especially since they have many injury prone players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Judas14 Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Still it's a bad omen and given the fact that every "super-team" eventually collapses into a horrific five car train wreck (ie the Bulls,Cowboys, 49ers), it's not a good sign for the Yankees. The Yankees have had a good run of about 7-8 years on top. It's high time that their luck runs out, especially after they've drastically changed the team to compensate for losing the World Series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 2, 2002 The Yankees have had a good run of about 7-8 years on top. It's high time that their luck runs out, especially after they've drastically changed the team to compensate for losing the World Series. It's not time! It CANNOT END, DAMNIT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Everything must end sometimes even the evil empire that is Steinbrener's Yankees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 2, 2002 EVIL EMPIRE? ::Wallops some guy with the Euro title.:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ajc Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Being a A's fan as I have been my whole life, I wish nothing but a miserable season for Giambi and the Yanks. As a fellow A's fan for my entire life (and I'm talkin' about the days of Mike Norris, Mike Davis, Tony Armas and a young Rickey Henderson)...I'm glad to see another one of us on this board! That said, I think the Yanks will still have a monster year (if their arms stay healthy). I'm not a Yankee fan, but I respect their history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldschoolwrestling Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Being a A's fan as I have been my whole life, I wish nothing but a miserable season for Giambi and the Yanks. As a fellow A's fan for my entire life (and I'm talkin' about the days of Mike Norris, Mike Davis, Tony Armas and a young Rickey Henderson)...I'm glad to see another one of us on this board! That said, I think the Yanks will still have a monster year (if their arms stay healthy). I'm not a Yankee fan, but I respect their history. Another lifetime A's fan here from the Bay Area. How can you mention Ricky Henderson and Tony Armas and not mention the man in the middle Dwayne Murphy????? Ah, the good old days. I can still hear the call Bill King made when Murphy robbed somone of a homerun...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldschoolwrestling Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Everything must end sometimes even the evil empire that is Steinbrener's Yankees. This may be true in sports where there is actually a salary cap, but we're talking about an owner who is willing to spend any amount of money to get the best players. The Yankees may lose some years due to injuries, bad luck, or bad chemistry, but as long as George keeps spending the money, the evil empire will continue to reign supreme. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 2, 2002 Everything must end sometimes even the evil empire that is Steinbrener's Yankees. This may be true in sports where there is actually a salary cap, but we're talking about an owner who is willing to spend any amount of money to get the best players. The Yankees may lose some years due to injuries, bad luck, or bad chemistry, but as long as George keeps spending the money, the evil empire will continue to reign supreme. Hey, there is no rule saying that thhe A's cannot be sold to someone with George's money. I sense bitterness. ::Wallops Old School with HIS European title.:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 2, 2002 "Karsay is a strong addition to their bullpen. Financially, committing that much money to a setup man is just plain dumb, unless they see Rivera as vulnerable and want to use Karsay as an occasional closer. They overpaid for him, but he's good at what he does." Hah! In Atlanta, the newspapers started dubbing him "Kerosene" last year because of his spotty relief jobs. Karsay either did the job decently or set off a huge fire. Karsay = Wohlers as a Yankee. Good in spots but has that propensity to blow things up. The Yankees will win the division because no one else will. Kinda' like Duke last year. They weren't that terribly good, but they won the title. They won because as mediocre as they were, everybody else was worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldschoolwrestling Report post Posted April 2, 2002 ::Wallops Old School with HIS European title.:: ::No-sells the wallop like the Undertaker taking a shot from Kurt Angle.:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 2, 2002 ::Sends Molly up to hit the Molly Go Round on Old School.:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldschoolwrestling Report post Posted April 2, 2002 ::Sends Molly up to hit the Molly Go Round on Old School.:: ::Cops a feel on Molly while she hits the move. Then allows Molly to pin him....and get the 5 count.:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shaved Bear Report post Posted April 3, 2002 so the yankees are 0-1, that only means they have 161 games left, but they're 0-1 so their season is over o yea that was sarcasm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 3, 2002 so the yankees are 0-1, that only means they have 161 games left, but they're 0-1 so their season is over o yea that was sarcasm Hey, I'm just saying, it could have been an omen. Probably won't be. That first post was just me being furious over them losing 675676 to 1 against Baltimore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted April 3, 2002 "Hah! In Atlanta, the newspapers started dubbing him "Kerosene" last year because of his spotty relief jobs. Karsay either did the job decently or set off a huge fire." Interesting, considering Karsay posted the lowest ERA and WHIP of his career last year. He didn't do well when brought in to close, but did a very good job when brought in as a setup role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 3, 2002 what made the yankkes good? chemistry, and the lack of a power hitter. The perfect team is nl ball, what they did in 96,98,99........ With giambi in the lineup it seems like they will be better but... he will go for the homerun over a base hit to keep the inning going anyday. Because of that factor and the old pitching I think Thye won;t make it past the wild card series this year --Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Giambi's motto is "play like All Stars, Party like rock stars, and hammer like Porn stars" while this is funny and went over well with the much younger A's, I don't see the veteran Yanks taking a liking to this attitude leading their team. LOL has he really ever said that? Gerald Williams is a psycho and a decent player. How is Williams a pyscho? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ajc Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Another lifetime A's fan here from the Bay Area. How can you mention Ricky Henderson and Tony Armas and not mention the man in the middle Dwayne Murphy????? Ah, the good old days. I can still hear the call Bill King made when Murphy robbed somone of a homerun...... LOL...No slight was intended. Dwayne Murphy was another one of my faves....as were Rick Langford, Steve McCatty, Bob Owchinko, Mitchell Page et al. For those of youse fans into stats and teams of the past, I highly recommend the www.baseball-reference.com site...it kicks seven kinds of arse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldschoolwrestling Report post Posted April 4, 2002 Another lifetime A's fan here from the Bay Area. How can you mention Ricky Henderson and Tony Armas and not mention the man in the middle Dwayne Murphy????? Ah, the good old days. I can still hear the call Bill King made when Murphy robbed somone of a homerun...... LOL...No slight was intended. Dwayne Murphy was another one of my faves....as were Rick Langford, Steve McCatty, Bob Owchinko, Mitchell Page et al. For those of youse fans into stats and teams of the past, I highly recommend the www.baseball-reference.com site...it kicks seven kinds of arse. Don't forget Mack "Shooty Babbit, Fred "The Chicken" Stanley, Mike Davis, Billy Ball, the year we started 11-0,.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted April 4, 2002 Giambi's motto is "play like All Stars, Party like rock stars, and hammer like Porn stars" while this is funny and went over well with the much younger A's, I don't see the veteran Yanks taking a liking to this attitude leading their team. LOL has he really ever said that? Gerald Williams is a psycho and a decent player. How is Williams a pyscho? Yes Giambi used to say that pretty often when he was with Oakland. Williams was hit in the back by Pedro on the 2nd or 3rd oitch of the game a 2 years ago and he charged the mound and tried to beat up Pedro. This obviosly started a big brawl in which a few of the Sox players were injured (Daubach hyper-extended his elbow and Merloni hurt his wrist) There was absolutely no intantion to hit Williams, in fact Pedro had a no hitter going until the 9th inning after that. Williams is widely known as mody and a egotistical asshole, despite being an avg. player at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 4, 2002 Pedro is also known as an egotistical jackass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted April 4, 2002 The difference between Pedro and Gerald Williams is that Gerald Williams is an avg. player and Pedro is the best pitcher in the majors when he's healthy, better than Johnson, Clemens, Madux, Brown, etc.. the #s add up. BTW Pedro has his moments of acting like an ass, especially lately since he'd suffered a similar injury to that which ended his brother's career, but overall he is a pretty good guy by all accounts. The real egotistical jackass is "Rocket" Roger (bastard used to be my hero and now he plays for the enemy ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 4, 2002 Didn't Pedro say something about being better than Babe Ruth? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted April 4, 2002 All Pedro said was that he wouldn't stand in fear of the Babe Ruth curse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
