Bye Bye Alexis

[Zack Malibu 0]

London is going to be teaming with Kidman

London's gonna be a heel? Part of the guy's NATURAL charisma (not promo delivery charisma) is that he has that natural babyface look, like a young Ricky Steamboat.

 

Signing Alexis I think is more or less just a "Hey she's getting a following, we'll take her before she takes off". I was watching the Crash Holly shoot I just got at work, and he says something that rings true these days: Back when the WWF started the developmental leagues, they only took guys that they ALREADY had a role/idea for. Nowadays they'll just go about signing anyone to a developmental deal and let them falter in OVW.

 

I highly doubt there is any known role for Alexis other than to be groped by McMahon.

[Guest Boomer Sprinklespax]

I think this is a bad move for Alexis. I know that most indy wrestlers dream of heading to the WWE one day as it is perceived as the "major league" of wrestling, but the chances are slim to none that she actually gets used in a productive way and/or gets over.

 

And from what I've heard, working on the indy scene makes you more money than a WWE developmental contract. Not to say that that's all Alexis cares about (she may want less travel, a less strenuous schedule, etc., which she will get for the time being in OVW), but it's certainly a major concern.

 

But, seriously, what are the chances the WWE uses her to full potential or even half potential? She isn't the stereotypical chick that the WWE likes to put over (blonde hair, buxom, i.e. Torrie Wilson or Trish) and, even if we here like her a lot, she doesn't really have a lot of charisma to get over with people who have never seen her before. I sincerely doubt she can get over on looks as many chicks have in the WWE because she's only mildly cute, honestly. She has a very oddly shaped body, almost dwarfish, and she's always making weird facial expressions. Regardless of whether you agree with that assessment or not, you've got to agree that Alexis certainly isn't what the WWE would call and push as attractive.

 

The only chance she has is if they push her like an "alternative" chick and she has one big markout move, like when Lita got associated with the Hardyz and started using the top rope hurricanrana all the time.

 

I doubt Alexis will even get that, as I bet she was signed simply to fuck with NWA-TNA.

 

I'm not out just to hate on Alexis, I just think this is all stuff to consider.

 

Anyways...

 

Where does this leave TNA? Will they bring in another chick to be in The Gathering? If so, who could it be? What's Simply Luscious doing right now?

Edited August 22, 2003 by DropToeHoldOntoChair

[Zack Malibu 0]

I believe Simply Luscious was the Nurse in "Bitchslap", aka PMS 2.0.

 

And agreed on Alexis. She's not the WWE standard of "hot", so how are they going to push her? I could see her doing something like Spanky's girlfriend, but odds are she'd be on RAW for the Women's Division. Who would she go with then? Dreamer? Hurricane?

[bob_barron 0]

I think this is a bad move for Alexis.

 

Why? She now has a guaranteed contract and is going to get to improve her wrestling skills in front of one of the best minds in the business.

 

I know that most indy wrestlers dream of heading to the WWE one day as it is perceived as the "major league" of wrestling, but the chances are slim to none that she actually gets used in a productive way and/or gets over.

 

It's not like she's Paul London and was in contention for the ROH title. She just got noticed by getting her ass kicked in TNA/

 

 

And from what I've heard, working on the indy scene makes you more money than a WWE developmental contract. Not to say that that's all Alexis cares about (she may want less travel, a less strenuous schedule, etc., which she will get for the time being in OVW), but it's certainly a major concern.

 

Maybe guys like AJ and Raven can say that- but Alexis isn't really a draw. So I don't think she would get that much money.

 

But, seriously, what are the chances the WWE uses her to full potential or even half potential? She isn't the stereotypical chick that the WWE likes to put over (blonde hair, buxom, i.e. Torrie Wilson or Trish) and, even if we here like her a lot, she doesn't really have a lot of charisma to get over with people who have never seen her before.

 

Lita and Victoria are both non-buxom blondes and they got pushed. WWE also recently signed Lucy who also is neither blonde nor buxom. They're sending her to OVW among other things- to help work on her charisma.

 

I sincerely doubt she can get over on looks as many chicks have in the WWE because she's only mildly cute, honestly. She has a very oddly shaped body, almost dwarfish, and she's always making weird facial expressions. Regardless of whether you agree with that assessment or not, you've got to agree that Alexis certainly isn't what the WWE would call and push as attractive.

 

Her looks are your opinion I guess- If WWE thought she was ugly- they wouldn't have signed her.

 

The only chance she has is if they push her like an "alternative" chick and she has one big markout move, like when Lita got associated with the Hardyz and started using the top rope hurricanrana all the time.

 

She has a really nice DDT. OVW will hopefully help her learn how to do other moves.

 

I'm not out to just hate on Alexis here, I just think this is all stuff to consider.

 

I understand- Alexis isn't that great in the ring to begin with.

 

 

Where does this leave TNA? Will they bring in another chick to be in The Gathering? If so, who could it be? What's Simply Luscious doing right now?

 

The problem with Luscious is that she doesn't look like the type of girl who would hang with Raven's crew. Her facial expressions, while very funny, could possibly be detrimental to a serious interview. They could give her a shot though

[Fökai 0]

And from what I've heard, working on the indy scene makes you more money than a WWE developmental contract.

Well, the best example was Raven, but that was because he went from "the bottom of the WWE barrel", to the top of the independent scene.

 

Raven's WWE deal was renegotiated with a downside guarantee, which had to built on with incentives - incentives which in Raven's case he couldn't achieve (PPV appearances being one).

 

Raven's pay-per-appearance contract in the independents allows him to make more than the lower end of the WWE food chain.

[Guest Boomer Sprinklespax]

Point taken concerning the money.

 

Considering that was basically my main point, I'll just shut up now.

[Silence 0]

That's not WWE restricting her moves- She's been battling a knee injury as of late so she has to cut out some of her moveset.

Not to stay off topic, but, does an injured knee ever heal on its own or will Victoria finally get surgery on it so she doesn't injure it even worse? Tazz never got surgery done on his neck and he had to retire as a result, though a neck injury seems more severe than a knee injury.

[Fökai 0]

Not to stay off topic, but, does an injured knee ever heal on its own or will Victoria finally get surgery on it so she doesn't injure it even worse?  Tazz never got surgery done on his neck and he had to retire as a result, though a neck injury seems more severe than a knee injury.

Since it is a torn ACL, she NEEDS to get it operated on.

 

When you have a good spot within the company, it's hard to take time off and risk losing your spot. The best example of this? Steve Austin.

[Ripper 0]

But developmental contracts pay little to nothing and I really do doubt that she will be getting one bigger than what the offered someone like A.J. Syles(was it 500 per week)

 

Now she might not be a major draw, but I am going to go out on a limb and say she was making more money than that on the Indy's.

 

Now she could have signed because A: Its her dream. or/and B: She has a chance at bigger money down the road, but that is where we run into the problem. She will just be in the mix of the ever expanding, ever more silicone filled WWE "DIVAS" group and MIGHT not be able to make that much more than she will be now.

 

Congrats to her and all, but it wasn't like she wasn't surrounded by great wrestlers who very well could have taught her better where she was. I hope it works out for her, though.

[bob_barron 0]

But developmental contracts pay little to nothing and I really do doubt that she will be getting one bigger than what the offered someone like A.J. Syles(was it 500 per week)

 

Now she might not be a major draw, but I am going to go out on a limb and say she was making more money than that on the Indy's.

 

You have to remember that AJ is usually the main event of the show and probably has his transportation paid for and everything- I know Raven does.

 

Alexis doesn't probably have the same luxury- So now she doesn't have to drive around the East coast. Once you factor in all the extras- it gets pricey.

 

Now she could have signed because A: Its her dream. or/and B: She has a chance at bigger money down the road, but that is where we run into the problem. She will just be in the mix of the ever expanding, ever more silicone filled WWE "DIVAS" group and MIGHT not be able to make that much more than she will be now.

 

At least Alexis has no silicone in there. WWE has also talked about her on Byte This and was thinking of ways to use her- So they obviously think they'll be able to use her in the future.

[HandofFate 0]

I sincerely doubt she can get over on looks as many chicks have in the WWE because she's only mildly cute, honestly. She has a very oddly shaped body, almost dwarfish, and she's always making weird facial expressions. Regardless of whether you agree with that assessment or not, you've got to agree that Alexis certainly isn't what the WWE would call and push as attractive.

 

Her looks are your opinion I guess- If WWE thought she was ugly- they wouldn't have signed her.

I gotta say Bob...Nicole Bass comes to mind about not looking good, but being signed by the WWF/E

[El Psycho Diablo 0]

You've got to see where some of these people are coming from. They've seen their favorites signed time and time again, only to be royally fucked with. The "lucky" ones wind up jobbing to a no-talent hack like Albert on Velocity. (If you want to say he's talent, fine. However, there's no denying a guy like Spanky or Noble is a better worker than he is.) The unlucky ones don't get airtime at all, or even house shows..they're just 'there'. What about the talented guys that get stuck with stupid (or worse) gimmicks (Rico, Kanyon, Noble), while people with half the talent and none of the charisma (Orton, Gunn, Show) get a good push?

 

Simply put, a lot of people have no faith in -that- company to do anything worthwhile with someone they sign..unless said person is 6'6" and up. For crying out loud, this so called "Head of Talent Relations" thinks Nathan Jones was a good signing. The same guy who's been largely responsible for the continued existance of slugs all over the roster..most notably Albert, who's received more pushes total than the entire cruiserweight division in the last ten years. I'm almost inclined to say that they signed Alexis to "fuck with TNA", as someone else has already stated.

 

After all, how much credibility does a statement like "Lita said she'd like to work with her" have in a company that's proven to listen to nobody but the yes-men on their own payroll? Much less to someone who's not named HHH or Undertaker.

[bob_barron 0]

You've got to see where some of these people are coming from.

 

I don't. syxx is telling Vince to go suck a dick- When Alexis was the one who signed the contract. It's just incredible that these people get upset when they're favourites now have guaranteed contracts and get to live their dreams.

 

They've seen their favorites signed time and time again, only to be royally fucked with. The "lucky" ones wind up jobbing to a no-talent hack like Albert on Velocity.

 

Spanky and Noble have never jobbed to A-Train to the best of my knowledge.

 

What about the talented guys that get stuck with stupid (or worse) gimmicks (Rico, Kanyon, Noble), while people with half the talent and none of the charisma (Orton, Gunn, Show) get a good push?

 

It sucks but again- these wrestlers CHOOSE to sign with WWE. No one puts a gun to their head.

 

I'm almost inclined to say that they signed Alexis to "fuck with TNA", as someone else has already stated.

 

HA! Alexis is just a valet who takes bumps. TNA will be able to function without her.

 

After all, how much credibility does a statement like "Lita said she'd like to work with her" have in a company that's proven to listen to nobody but the yes-men on their own payroll? Much less to someone who's not named HHH or Undertaker.

 

It shows they know very well of Alexis Laree and what she brings to the table

[Fökai 0]

The unlucky ones don't get airtime at all, or even house shows..they're just 'there'.

I'd like to know the names of the wrestlers who do not wrestle in any capacity.

 

If you're talking about missing the occasional house show, it's due to the fact that the WWE currently has the largest (and most talented) roster in professional wrestling history. Not everyone will work house shows on a regular basis - the talent themselves understand that.

 

Same goes with the television programming - not everyone will get written into shows, for periods of time.

 

 

What about the talented guys that get stuck with stupid (or worse) gimmicks (Rico, Kanyon, Noble), while people with half the talent and none of the charisma (Orton, Gunn, Show) get a good push?

 

Noble's at the same level as Gunn right now.

 

Orton has unbelieveable charisma for a rookie. From everyone that's come up from OVW since the brand split began, he's only behind Benjamin and Cena in that department.

 

And to establish the point again, both Big Show and Mark Henry are tied into long-term contracts - neither can simply be bought out of their contracts, unless the WWE cough up millions. If you're paying a wrestler THAT much money, you'd expect to get results out of him - IMO, they've done it with Show periodically over the last ten months. I'm happy for Wight and I hope his status on SD! remains the same.

 

And Kanyon? Well, lest we forget, he was part of the contingency associated with Page and O'Haire, who refused to follow locker-room etiquette during the Invasion. Couple that with a few streaks of bad luck, and you can figure out his current position.

 

 

Simply put, a lot of people have no faith in -that- company to do anything worthwhile with someone they sign..unless said person is 6'6" and up.

 

In the last four years...

Triple H.

Steve Austin.

Brock Lesnar.

The Rock.

Kurt Angle.

Chris Benoit.

Chris Jericho.

Eddie Guerrero.

Edge.

Mick Foley.

 

And developing - Rhyno, Orton, Cena, Benjamin, Haas, Christian, Rey and Matt Hardy.

 

 

The same guy who's been largely responsible for the continued existance of slugs all over the roster..most notably Albert, who's received more pushes total than the entire cruiserweight division in the last ten years.

 

Albert's received pushes? Are we talking about the half-hearted ones in 2000, or the ones killed quickly in 2001, 2002 & 2003?

 

And considering that the cruiserweight division has only existed for four years in the modern era of the WWE, it's laughable to exaggerate with "ten". As for those cruiserweights - Malenko, Scott Taylor, Brian Christopher, Taka Michinoku, Rey Mysterio, Christian, Jeff Hardy and Crash Holly.

 

...unless you mean wrestlers from the last decade who were at cruiserweight-level - meaning Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, X-Pac and Owen Hart.

 

 

I'm almost inclined to say that they signed Alexis to "fuck with TNA", as someone else has already stated.

 

I seriously don't know if TNA can bounce back from this loss. I mean...WOW.

 

TNA means NOTHING, and will continue to mean nothing to them, until they secure a network television deal - which at that point, the WWE will raid them dry. It's called SMART BUSINESS (though it'll work in the reverse direction with the lack of competition besides TNA).

 

WWE writers and agents were spotted at the ROH show last week in Fairfield. They recognize the modicum of talent these promotions trot out, but the promotions themselves are no match for the WWE at this point.

Edited August 22, 2003 by bravesfan

[Guest trickstyle_360]

Alexis Laree did some good porn maybe thats why Vince signed her.

[Guest The Real Nosferatu]

If WWE wanted to screw with TNA, they'd sign someone more important than ALEXIS LAREE! Sure, I liked her, but I don't spend $10 to see JUST HER.

 

Of course TNA has hired some of the guys WWE deamed crap (Raven and Brown most notably) and made them into main eventers (in Ravens case, main eventer again because of his ECW Status).

[Guest Jay Z. Hollywood]

Alexis Laree did some good porn maybe thats why Vince signed her.

Porn stars are persona non grata in WWE-land.

 

And COME ON! It was just ONE fetish mag shoot! She was young and stupid, and she need the money!

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

I'm fairly convinced she doesn't get signed at least for a while if Gail Kim hadn't kept trying to ganso bomb herself off the top to the floor.

 

And on a sidenote, if Victoria is wrestling with a torn ACL, she is more man than I. Ouch.

[Vyce 0]

Good for her.

 

I look forward to her having to slut for Vince on camera and / or jobbing to Trish every week on RAW.

 

Excuse me, I must go sit in the corner and weep a little.

[bob_barron 0]

Good for her.

 

I look forward to her having to slut for Vince on camera and / or jobbing to Trish every week on RAW.

 

Excuse me, I must go sit in the corner and weep a little.

Yea- She was doing so much better on the indy scene.

 

I don't understand why you can't be happy that a young woman now has a guaranteed contract and is working for the top promotion for the world with a chance to one day wrestle in front of 20,000 people instead of the 50 she sees most nights.

 

Don't you understand how much of an improvement this could be for her life?

 

But no- That's not good enough for you is it? You still have to be unhappy because they won't push her to the moon and may job her to Trish.

 

DON'T YOU FUCKING GET IT?

 

She'll be wrestling in front of 15,000 if she gets to wrestle on RAW.

She's lucky to wrestle in 500.

 

Her pay will increase dramatically, her lifestyle will improve- this could open whole new gates of fame and fortune for her.

 

Get over yourself and look at the bigger picture. Someone probably just had their dream come true but no- that just pisses you off.

 

Think of someone else for a change.

[TheFranchise 0]

THIS IS SO FUCKING GAY. VINCE MCMAHON CAN SUCK MY FUCKING DICK.

Shut up.

[Astro101 0]

I don't think anyone is unhappy that she is going to live her dream. Everyone's just unhappy that it's for another company and they could misuse her.

[Vyce 0]

Good for her.

 

I look forward to her having to slut for Vince on camera and / or jobbing to Trish every week on RAW.

 

Excuse me, I must go sit in the corner and weep a little.

Yea- She was doing so much better on the indy scene.

 

I don't understand why you can't be happy that a young woman now has a guaranteed contract and is working for the top promotion for the world with a chance to one day wrestle in front of 20,000 people instead of the 50 she sees most nights.

 

Don't you understand how much of an improvement this could be for her life?

 

But no- That's not good enough for you is it? You still have to be unhappy because they won't push her to the moon and may job her to Trish.

 

DON'T YOU FUCKING GET IT?

 

She'll be wrestling in front of 15,000 if she gets to wrestle on RAW.

She's lucky to wrestle in 500.

 

Her pay will increase dramatically, her lifestyle will improve- this could open whole new gates of fame and fortune for her.

 

Get over yourself and look at the bigger picture. Someone probably just had their dream come true but no- that just pisses you off.

 

Think of someone else for a change.

You really don't see it?

 

Ultimately, each and every one of us, as fans of the wrestling business in general, must, on some level, possess a degree of SELFISHNESS about our interest.

 

I'm an Alexis fan. Do I want her to have a happy life? Yes, of course I do.

 

But.....what is it to me what salary she makes? If she's wrestling in front of 15k fans as opposed to just 500? I mean, I'll be happy for her - but ultimately, that's not going to affect ME at all. She's not a friend of mine. She's not a part of my family. I don't know her....at all. And never will.

 

All any of us ever really have of any of these workers are what they give us in front of the camera or at a live event.

 

So is it selfish that I'm upset that she's going to the WWE (where, statistically, she will likely be misused) over someplace like NWA or ROH, where her talents are put to better use, though it means a better life for her? Yes.

 

But I don't think that selfishness is unreasonable.

[bob_barron 0]

You really don't see it?

 

Ultimately, each and every one of us, as fans of the wrestling business in general, must, on some level, possess a degree of SELFISHNESS about our interest.

 

If you're truly a fan of your favourite- You'll be happy when they reach the highest pinnacle of success. And that is WWE.

 

I'm an Alexis fan. Do I want her to have a happy life? Yes, of course I do.

 

Yet you'd rather he be in Ring of Honor wrestling for low pay and not a lot of fans.

 

But.....what is it to me what salary she makes? If she's wrestling in front of 15k fans as opposed to just 500? I mean, I'll be happy for her - but ultimately, that's not going to affect ME at all. She's not a friend of mine. She's not a part of my family. I don't know her....at all. And never will.

 

I don't know her that well either but she obviously would rather take the chance of being misused in WWE and working with better trained people then working indies.

 

 

So is it selfish that I'm upset that she's going to the WWE (where, statistically, she will likely be misused) over someplace like NWA or ROH, where her talents are put to better use, though it means a better life for her? Yes.

 

Oh- Ring of Honor is using her SO well. So having her job to Trish is worse then her fighting a glorified backyard wrestler in Becky Bayless? Getting to work with people like Molly is worse then her getting her ass kicked in TNA?

 

So Ring of Honor used her talents to better use- Does that mean feuding with the Christopher Street Connection? Jobbing to Simply Luscious in 10 seconds? Being a cornerman whose only purpose was to get into catfights? Jobbing to Persephonie?

 

 

 

But I don't think that selfishness is unreasonable.

 

I think being upset when someone gets the greatest opportunity of their life is a bit unreasonable