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[phoenixrising 0]

Who do you guys like for the Heisman? My pick is Jason White. 40 TD's 6 int is too impressive to pass up. Fitzgerald, Leinhart, Perry, and Rivers round out Top 5.

If Larry Fitzgerald has a big game this week and helps Pitt beat Miami I'd say Fitzgerald for the Heisman. Fitzgerald is the best player in college football right now.

 

White may have great recievers and a good line, but that TD/INT ratio - 40/6 - is damned impressive and shows me 1) he's making good decisions 2) he's not turning the ball over and 3) the reason Oklahoma's offense has been so successful isn't just because of their great recievers and line - White is playing a huge role.

 

Chris Perry would be my number 3 pick...I think him being a non-factor in both Michigan losses will hurt him though, the same way it hurt Larry Johnson last year.

 

Four would be Eli Manning...he's been as steady as he has been the past two years, but Ole Miss has a better record this season.

 

Rounding out my top 5 is B.J. Symons...I think he'll get a look based on the ridiculous numbers he has put up all season, especially the single-season yardage record and total offense records he now holds.

[Damaramu 0]

Who do you guys like for the Heisman? My pick is Jason White. 40 TD's 6 int is too impressive to pass up. Fitzgerald, Leinhart, Perry, and Rivers round out Top 5.

If Larry Fitzgerald has a big game this week and helps Pitt beat Miami I'd say Fitzgerald for the Heisman. Fitzgerald is the best player in college football right now.

 

White may have great recievers and a good line, but that TD/INT ratio - 40/6 - is damned impressive and shows me 1) he's making good decisions 2) he's not turning the ball over and 3) the reason Oklahoma's offense has been so successful isn't just because of their great recievers and line - White is playing a huge role.

 

Chris Perry would be my number 3 pick...I think him being a non-factor in both Michigan losses will hurt him though, the same way it hurt Larry Johnson last year.

 

Four would be Eli Manning...he's been as steady as he has been the past two years, but Ole Miss has a better record this season.

 

Rounding out my top 5 is B.J. Symons...I think he'll get a look based on the ridiculous numbers he has put up all season, especially the single-season yardage record and total offense records he now holds.

Yeah but the fact that Symons threw 5 interceptions against Oklahoma will count against him for something. Yeah I've heard a few people say "Well it was against Oklahoma. They're so good that it's expected your numbers won't run up..." Umm....hello? I don't care who you're facing. Oklahoma or Baylor...you shouldn't throw 5 interceptions.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Only bowl news today is Wisconsin accepted an invite to the Music City Bowl. I'll edit the everyone elses bowl projections in my post from yesterday to reflect it.

Ohio St. better be in a BCS bowl or the Gophers might end up in Detroit.

[teke184 0]

Ohio State's position in the BCS is tenuous at best. The way things are looking, both Texas and an SEC East runner-up (probably Tennessee) could finish the season in the Top 6 of the BCS, thus getting automatic invites and shutting out Ohio State if they're #7 or higher. The Golden Gophers better not plan on getting a decent bowl.

 

Granted, Ohio State is #5 at the moment but sudden movement in the computer polls or strength of schedule could erode that from their current 14.57 to a 15.08 or higher, enough to be out of automatic contention.

Edited November 27, 2003 by teke184

[Damaramu 0]

Back to the OU question. I sincerly want to know what everyone thinks about that comment. If OU goes 15-0 will this year's team be the best college team ever?

[teke184 0]

Back to the OU question. I sincerly want to know what everyone thinks about that comment. If OU goes 15-0 will this year's team be the best college team ever?

Depends on whether the BCS makes the correct choice about OU's last opponent. If USC loses to OU yet LSU destroys Michigan or vice versa, there may be some prejudice against OU because of factors outside of their control.

 

They're a hella-powerful team without question, though. I just think that there's two games left before their ranking on the all-time list should be discussed and it's not because I'm an LSU fan. Look at how far teams like Virginia Tech and Miami have fallen from late October, when they were both undefeated. OU could still collapse, as unlikely as it sounds.

[Bored 0]

I think Ohio State will get taken in the BCS over any SEC team especially if Miami wins the Big East as it would appear the BCS would love to match-up those two again. Tennessee isn't going to jump Ohio State unless they win the SEC title game and it wouldn't matter then since Tennessee would be in automatically. Really at this point I'd be surprised if Ohio St. isn't in a BCS game as they travel well, have a high ranking, and don't play another game this year so they can't hurt themselves.

[Vern Gagne 0]

I'd prefer to wait until OU wins the National Championship before comparing them with the best teams of all time. At this point they are similar to the '96 Florida team. Better on defense, but the run and gun offense is similar, and Stoops is a protege of Spurrier.

 

The Big 10 won't like the Music City Bowl offering Wisconsin a spot, before everything pans out.

[Damaramu 0]

I'd prefer to wait until OU wins the National Championship before comparing them with the best teams of all time. At this point they are similar to the '96 Florida team. Better on defense, but the run and gun offense is similar, and Stoops is a protege of Spurrier.

 

The Big 10 won't like the Music City Bowl offering Wisconsin a spot, before everything pans out.

I think OU has one of the best offenses I've seen. They're scoring game is phenomenal because White is so good and he's got great recievers and running backs.

The thing is that we are losing very few players as Seniors this year. If White returns will have just about the same team. And if White doesn't I know we can stay up high in the ranking and maybe even be #1 again because we have such great recievers.

Oh and.....OU has two games left. Against Kansas State and against USC/LSU. I think they can do it. They'd have to fuck up pretty bad and the other team would have to do better than normal for OU to be taken out. But if they play LSU it shold be close.

[CanadianChris 0]

Go big or go home, I guess...

 

ESPN.com news services

 

TCU was unable to land a spot in the Bowl Championship Series. Now it appears the Horned Frogs may turn down the next best thing.

 

The school is planning to decline an expected invitation to the GMAC Bowl because of academic considerations, athletic director Eric Hyman told The Washington Post on Wednesday night.

 

TCU had its sights sets on a BCS bowl, but those hopes were dashed by a loss to Southern Miss on Nov. 20. As a result, the Horned Frogs will likely finish second in Conference USA and earn an invitation to the GMAC.

 

However, Hyman says the school will likely decline the bowl bid because the game falls in the middle of their exam period (Dec. 18). The bowl could have pitted a pair of impressive mid-majors (TCU and Miami-Ohio) against each other.

 

"I can't do that," TCU Athletic Director Eric Hyman told the Washington Post on Wednesday night. "I have to be sensitive to our young people. They are student-athletes, but they are also students, and they are coming to school to get an education. We cannot disrupt their exams. It's not fair to them."

 

A GMAC official was stunned by TCU's sentiments. Bowl president Jerry Silverstein told the newspaper he had informed Conference USA commissioner Britton Banowsky of plans to invite TCU.

 

"He told us everything is fine," Silverstein told the paper. "We have a seven-year deal with Conference USA and have never had a problem. I think [TCU] can do whatever they have to do to come down here. I would be absolutely shocked if they don't."

 

By passing on the bid, Hyman would be giving up the $750,000 bowl payout plus considerable national exposure.

 

"I understand why they want us," Hyman told the Post, referring to GMAC officials. "But on the flip side, I want them to understand that the priority for us this time of year is success in the classroom and in exams. There are alternatives to us."

 

Silverstein said he had no alternative plans. "I sympathize with them," Silverstein told the paper. "I never would ask a school to disrupt anything. But we have a bowl to put on. We are honorable people and hope they can resolve any problems they have."

 

"We've had several conversations, and they're ongoing," Hyman told the paper. "What I'm saying to them is real. It's not a matter of trying to position for something else."

 

Theoretically, TCU could still end up in another bowl with ties to Conference USA. The winner of Conference USA will be invited to the Liberty Bowl, but Southern Miss (8-3, 7-0) is in first place right now after beating TCU on Saturday.

 

The GMAC Bowl is entitled to select the second-place finisher. The Hawaii Bowl gets the next choice, followed by the Fort Worth Bowl. Memphis (8-3, 5-3) is third in the Conference USA standings. Louisville (8-3, 4-3) is fourth. TCU has one regular-season game remaining, against SMU on Saturday.

 

Hyman told the newspaper that the Hawaii Bowl (Dec. 25) and Fort Worth Bowl (Dec. 23) would not conflict with TCU's exam schedule.

 

In two previous GMAC Bowl appearances, TCU (10-1, 7-1) held its exams one week earlier.

 

"We have gone down to the GMAC Bowl and had a wonderful experience," Hyman told the paper. "But this is bigger than a bowl game."

[Bored 0]

Woah...I bet that pisses off the MAC and Miami of Ohio too as a match-up of them and TCU would have received a decent amout of hype as like I suggested it could be built as the "Non-BCS Championship Game". I know they are saying it has to do with school but I'm not buying it. I think maybe the Ft. Worth Bowl contacted TCU to come there as obviously it would be more geographically friendly for them. Guessing Louisville moves into the GMAC Bowl now.

[Slayer 0]

Re: the greatest football team, at least that I've seen in my lifetime, holding off this year's team until the season conclusion, I too would have to go with either '95 Nebraska or '96 Florida

 

'95 Nebraska fattened up early on bad teams, but beat three teams that finished 10-2 (KSU, KU and CU) and of course, laid the huge smackdown on the then-also-undefeated fun'n'gun Gators at the end of the season. Their avg margin of victory was nearly 40 points a game, with their closest being a 14 pt win over Washington State.

 

'96 Florida also had it's bevy of bad teams on the schedule, but beat three very strong teams that finished 10-2 (UT, 'Bama and LSU) as well as a good 8-4 Auburn team, thus they were considered to have had the toughest schedule in football. They did lose to then-undefeated FSU in a very close game, but became one of the few one-loss champ teams to avenge their lone loss when they killed FSU in the rematch, thus closing the circle.

 

Those are my two. When you look into past championship teams, it's amazing how many of them had some of the worst (i.e. easiest) possible schedules you could ask for (see also: '84 BYU)

[Damaramu 0]

So if OU dominates Kansas St. and then dominates there opponent in the Championship like they've been doing all season then what do you think?

[Slayer 0]

Yes and no, again we'll have to see

 

OU's AMOV currently sits at 34

 

SOS might be questionable, depending on how well some teams finish out, although their last two wins would have to come over 10+ win teams (KSU in the conf title game, and USC/LSU/Michigan in the big game), so they very well could go up there

 

Other than maybe the 'Bama game (I don't recall) has OU ever really trailed in a game?

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

supposedly K-State will be screwed, yet again

 

first, the Cotton Bowl wants Oklahoma State instead of K-State, K-State would get the Alamo Bowl

 

second, if Texas A&M beats Texas, then K-State ends up playing in the Independence Bowl.

 

What a load of crap. K-State has to beat OU to get a respectible bowl game. Considering the bowl games are doing all they can to screw them over

[Art Sandusky 0]

Back to the OU question. I sincerly want to know what everyone thinks about that comment. If OU goes 15-0 will this year's team be the best college team ever?

If they go 15-0 without playing 15 games (even counting championship and bowl games), they would certainly be a contender. I don't think anyone has ever won games that didn't even happen.

[Damaramu 0]

Back to the OU question. I sincerly want to know what everyone thinks about that comment. If OU goes 15-0 will this year's team be the best college team ever?

If they go 15-0 without playing 15 games (even counting championship and bowl games), they would certainly be a contender. I don't think anyone has ever won games that didn't even happen.

Ooops.....I had heard that number. I thought they'd won 13 games...is it only 12?

[Bored 0]

To add to the TCU thing, duh I just remembered that TCU is located in Ft. Worth so of course they want the Ft. Worth Bowl. What a load of shit as they are just trying to position themselves to get to play a bowl game at home. Maybe Conference USA could step in and tell them they have to play in the GMAC Bowl or not play in a bowl at all but they'll probably do nothing since TCU will sell out by playing at home.

 

I hope they get their ass kicked by UConn or whoever it ends up being their opponent.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

supposedly if the Big XII doesn't get Colorado eligible, they'll get KU in Fort Worth and let an at-large take the Tangerine Bowl

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

Hey, what's the order of choice for the SEC bowl games? They're the one conference that never has #2 pick, #3 pick, etc. on the ESPN and SI bowl projections.

[Guest Choken One]

I always thought they just randomly located them places...since it never really matters since 80% of the bowls are in SEC territory which allows "good travel".

 

I'm still PISSED about TCU.

 

We're fucking fucked with a Likely MOH/Louisville game...

[Bored 0]

SEC #2 bid is in the Capital One Bowl. After that is where it can go in any direction.

 

The Cotton Bowl and Outback Bowl both can claim a #3 SEC bid but the Cotton Bowl prefers to take a team from the SEC West and the Outback prefers to take a team from the SEC East. After that it really doesn't matter where you place as a team can go wherever they want and whatever bowl wants them. The Big 12 is similar as they usually don't really follow a set way to pick their teams. Obviously Rob E Dangerously has gone into that already with how Kansas State might get screwed over due to the way they pick their bowls even though supposedly the #2 bid is the Cotton Bowl for them but it doesn't always work out that way.

[Guest Choken One]

Blame KSU for being a low draw...

[teke184 0]

I'm not sure it's them being a low draw as much as getting embarassed by a MAC team (Marshall). The only BCS-conference team I can think of who lost to a MAC team but is still getting a good bowl is Pitt, who lost to Toledo.

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Maryland lost to Northern Illinois.

 

Purdue lost to Bowling Green.

 

The MAC was a really good conference this year, at least at the top of it.

[teke184 0]

Maryland lost to Northern Illinois.

 

Purdue lost to Bowling Green.

 

The MAC was a really good conference this year, at least at the top of it.

NM... was thinking that a lot of the teams who lost to MAC teams ended up being horribly overrated coughBAMAcough.

[Vern Gagne 0]

supposedly K-State will be screwed, yet again

 

 

 

second, if Texas A&M beats Texas, then K-State ends up playing in the Independence Bowl.

you don't have to worry.

 

Best team of all time may of been '83 Nebraska. They averaged 52 points a game, and steamrolled through the regular season.

[Slayer 0]

Best team of all time may of been '83 Nebraska. They averaged 52 points a game, and steamrolled through the regular season.

"And the 2-point conversion is... NO GOOD!"

[Slayer 0]

Wow, nobody paying attention today?

 

Nebraska beat Colorado with a 10-pt 4th quarter comeback

 

LSU is pounding on Arkansas and looking to seal up their spot in the SEC title game

 

Texas vs. A&M is close right now, that's the one I'm paying the most attention too

[Bored 0]

Kinda interesting bowl news today as Navy (7-4) has accepted a bid to the Houston Bowl. The SEC's bid there was open because they won't have enough bowl eligible teams to fill their slots. That does take away a bid though from better at-large teams in fellow independent Connecticut (9-3) and the MAC's Northern Illinois (10-2) who doesn't a have a bid because they MAC only has two bowl slots. Navy seems like a bit of a politically correct choice to me.

 

Colorado lost today so that does leave a Big 12 slot open in either the Ft. Worth or Tangerine Bowl as long as Texas holds on to win today and pretty much lock up an at-large BCS berth.

 

Oh and a question to the regulars of the topic, I was considering creating a new seperate topic next week for the championship games and the important USC game since I know some of you will be posting a lot during those games. This topic has gotten little over bloated I think and wouldn't hurt to create a new one. If no one has a problem I'll go ahead and do that on Monday or Tuesday. I'll definently create a new topic for the bowl games when they start.