Guest mastermind Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Well, the wwf has a real goldmine sitting with this match. My question is with the current landscape and politics and ramifications is this a good idea? Is the MAJOR money match worth the possible headaches and locker room morale? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Vince wants it definitely, but with Austin not wanting to have anything to do with the nWo (I don't blame him, look at Rock now), I doubt that an Austin vs. Hogan match is in the works. If it does happen, look for it at Summerslam. There's more of a possibility of seeing Austin vs. Flair now, but we'll see......??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted April 3, 2002 No, absolutely not. It would piss Austin off majorly if he were forced to work with Hogan and I don't want to lose Austin and be stuck with HHH, UT, Hogan and nWo as main eventers when Rock is making movies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted April 3, 2002 I don't know. I could see Vince offering Austin a bigger pay-day if he worked with Hogan. If Austin wrestled Hogan and the fans started cheering more for Hogan, then I could see SCSA throwing the finger at the fans. Which would be hilarious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Yes, it is a good idea because it will draw. Austin is a bigger star than Rock. If Austin is willing to work with him, which he should be IMO (think of the money, Steve) then they have a huge drawing ME for Summerslam, to compenstate for the title match with HHH not drawing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted April 3, 2002 I don't think it would be a good idea to have that match. Austin is good when the other worker can carry their own in the match and Austin just adds more to it. Austin cannot at this stage of his career with all the injuries able to carry a lug like Hogan. Most of Hogan/Rock was the electricity and heat and definitely not the workrate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted April 3, 2002 I don't think that the fans would really boo Austin, because his "Lone Wolf Rattlesnake" character is one that most people like. Sure, you'll hear some people booing, but it wont be like Rock vs. Hogan at WM. It'd be really hard to predict who'd be more over, because by Summerslam time (if this match is actually booked), Hogan's nostalgia parade might die out. Austin is one to tweak his character at the hint of death, so it'd be different. I think out of respect, the crowd would pop for both of them. But this is considering even if this happens, which probably wont. Like the guy with the Bloody Hogan avatar said, "I don't want to see Austin stuck in feuds with Triple H, Undertaker, nWo , and Hogan" while The Rock goes on to film another movie....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 3, 2002 I think it's a great idea. Just for the buy rate and excitement alone. But, there is a good and bad that comes to making this match at this moment in time. Bad; Hogan becomes Champ Good; Austin takes the title from Triple H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mastermind Report post Posted April 3, 2002 I'm kind of split about this idea. I really don't know how the wwf could have a clean finish for everyone involved. Austin fans. Hogan fans. Hogan. Austin. The historic treatment of the match. For how the wwf treated Rock/Austin(which was pretty damn solid with the exception of the stupid truck incident), don't be fooled the wwf machine would go into overdrive with proclaiming the wwf is the house Hogan built, while Austin is the man who rebuilt it. THAT STATEMENT alone is money. You see the way I see it the wwf bookers would be in a bind to their history. You can't really just go and diss Hogan or Austin. Rock's match was easier to book for Rock to win because it's obvious they want Rock to take Hogan's place and Rock will hopefully be here another ten years. There was a reason it was promoted the way it was as Mike Tyson vs. Muhammad Ali because of the generation gap. Hogan/Austin is more like Mickey Mantle vs. Babe Ruth. They both built and rebuilt Yankee Stadium. I don't think the fans would boo Austin in the way they did Rock at WrestleMania. Contrary to what people may think fans aren't THAT dense. They know what the two men have done for the wwf empire. The fans know Rock is here for at least another 5 years at this level and can cheer him at will. Rock's the future king to the throne even without Hogan or Austin passing him the torch. Hogan is obviously at the end of the road and fans will cheer him out of respect in matches of this magnitude. You know the last hurrah of the great pioneer. Austin's character is designed to accept boos if given because of the don't care attitude. The fans may even revel in Austin's dastardly deeds on Hogan because that is vintage Austin. What I'm basically saying is fans respect Hogan and Austin more when it comes to the bottom line. I can see both men's argument why not to job the match and this is where the problem lies. Hogan has already done the high profile job and doing another one is plain dissing the wwf of the early Mania era. Austin jobbing is also bad because it's a step back from his era. Wrestling wise at this point Austin shouldn't be losing to an older broken down wrestler. This is a headache I think the wwf should avoid. It's similar to Hogan/Flair in the wwf in the early 90's. The wwf can't really job Hogan to Flair or it may give the image that the NWA was superior. Hogan defeating Flair also pretty much destroys the biggest question of the 80's. Well, wcw killed their own selves with the match in 1994. If this match goes down I think it should be at SummerSlam with Austin with the world title. Hogan's last championship match. It shouldn't go down any other way. The two champion symbols of their era battling it out. Who goes over? All I got to say is remember both men are NEFARIOUS for no-selling. So, there is problem numero uno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Hogan vs. Bret Hart never happened in WWF. Hogan vs Ric Flair never happened in WWF (not on TV or ppv or in any venue where it could be big money; yes I know of that house show tour, but that doesn't really count). History is against there ever being a Hogan vs Austin. Would it make a Bossman-Load (you know, like Shitload) of cash? Absolutely. So from that standpoint it would be a good idea. In terms of locker room morale, maybe not so good, but then, bringing the nwo in in the first place probably wasn't good from that standpoint either. Vince is Monarch now when it comes to American wrestling. It is well within his power -- and I believe well within his nature -- to eliminate any "bad attitudes" that exist in the locker room, that being defined as "anybody who isn't helping make the nwo feel welcome in the WWF family and thus not being a team player and getting in the way of business." And if you are so daft as to think Austin is too big for Vince to just throw him aside if he has an "uncooperative attitude" well, um, does the name "Bret Hart" ring a bell? Hell, Hogan got forced out when he copped too much of a 'tude. Nobody is indispensable, not even "the biggest star." Austin's 2002 could end up being very much like Bret Hart's 1997. And there's a perverse part of me that kinda wants to see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mastermind Report post Posted April 3, 2002 You know that's why I think the wwf should just forget the pain in the ass that would come from this. They got Hogan jobbing to Rock who IS their future main eventer. Yes, he is a major main eventer now and in the limelight with Austin and Hogan, but Hogan and Austin still have more history. Rock needed the victory more for long term purposes. Take away Hogan and Austin and there is no one even close to them besides Rock for future considerations for headlining "WrestleMania after WrestleMania" as he stated to Hogan a few weeks back. Hogan vs. Hart in 1993 is the what if? and probably is better off in our imagination. History is against Hogan/Austin from happening. Hell, it was even a shock we got Hogan/Warrior in 1990 face vs. face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Maurizio C... Version 2 Report post Posted April 3, 2002 assuming Austin vs Hogan won't happen is plain stupid. C'mon guys, that's the mtch Vince had in mind whe signing Hogan. Forget about Nah and hall, they were the guys to pick up to make hogan feel more secure. I see Hogan vs Austin, in a perfect world, with a Sting-like build up of a year. WM X-9, a big venue. and that's it. Of course, promoting the match at a early card like Judgement Day or Backlash would screw thins up... and that's why I'm scard Vince will just do that for easy money. I'd build things like this: - Have Hogan back as a heel, quite like he was in wcw, you know, the old guy with the belt and the minions who never loses. - have austin be the face, of course - have the 2 meet at various occasions but NEVER have a match, not even on raw and SD, just house shows. - start hyping the match in march and have a money feyd ready for WM. If it's not WM then it's a useless angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Does Hogan's contract last until next year's WM? I thought it was only a one-year deal..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Maurizio C... Version 2 Report post Posted April 3, 2002 if Hogan is money then they'll renew it anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Yech... no Hogan vs. Austin, NO HOGAN VS. AUSTIN! The buyrate may be the same, but the crowd and all other (non-wrestling) aspects that made Hogan vs. Rock will never occur again, and given the WWF, I doubt there is anyone else Hogan could work with in a program right now given that his former nWo members are on RAW and he's on Smackdown (or maybe I'm just too hopeful that the roster split actually means something, and that the two entities will stay separate?), meaning they would rush him into a program right now... oh wait, Austin signed with RAW! Rejoice! Rejoice! No Hogan vs. Austin! Err... wait... Vince was on RAW last night too, proving the split means nothing and we may see the horror that is Hogan vs. Austin... groan... Why would this be such a bad match? Besides the mention of previous backstage politics (which I of course no nothing about), Austin can't carry a match by himself, he needs to have someone of at least some competence to work with. Nostalgia aside, Hogan sadly lacks that competence. Plus, both have fairly limited movesets, unless you'd like to see the two "brawl" instead of "wrestle". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Maurizio C... Version 2 Report post Posted April 3, 2002 you think the split means something? I tell you what... the split is just a deal to promote *interpromotional* matches 2/3 times a year for big events... but since Vince already invaded the *other* promotion he killed it right away... build some gimmick and then square them off on a big ppv, that's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted April 3, 2002 No. I don't care about how much money it might draw or how fans might pop. Hogan's matches are unwatchable and Austin's bad knees are in no shape to carry His Orangeness for 15+ minutes? WM was a fluke... no way Hogan will have the staying power to remain popular for long, especially if he keeps bad-wrestling and worse-acting. Keep the what-ifs in the closet with Bret-Hogan. Give me Austin-RVD for the title. Give me Rock-Lesnar. Hell, give me Storm-Benoit for 25 minutes. You can keep the Goblin. Forever. And when Rock's given up his wrestling career for a failed Hollywood career, you can keep him too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheMikeSC Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Hogan vs. Bret Hart never happened in WWF.>>> True. <<<Hogan vs Ric Flair never happened in WWF (not on TV or ppv or in any venue where it could be big money; yes I know of that house show tour, but that doesn't really count).>>> TECHNICALLY, it DID happen on the MSG network---twice. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Maurizio C... Version 2 Report post Posted April 3, 2002 he meant on ppv and in some built angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mastermind Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Not to spoil anything, but if the wwf does go through with this match I think that King of The Ring IS THE PLACE. Austin 3:16 was born at the event and Hulkamania died at the event in 1993. Yes, Yoko was probably the only real guy to actually kill Hulkamania as fans were deflated in the wwf. Yep, Hogan was boring them to tears as well, but in storylines Yoko made Hogan run for 9 years and he's just coming back now. Marketing 101. Who is the KING OF THE RING? ----Hogan/Angle SummerSlam-------------Hogan retires!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Maurizio C... Version 2 Report post Posted April 3, 2002 yes, like Vince would book something that only longtime fans and smarks care to know... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mastermind Report post Posted April 3, 2002 Um, Hogan is basically living off his wwf past. He's not getting these pops because of anything he has done recently. Vince brought back the nWo basically because of their past carnage. Anyways, I can see the wwf doing one wicked video promo along these lines. You have a point though as Vince might have the two do something like sing kumbayaa and singing in unison. Oh, that was last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest muzanisa Report post Posted April 3, 2002 I believe it will go ahead because if promoted right it would make a ton of money for Vince Austin and Hogan. The match itself would suck though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Maurizio C... Version 2 Report post Posted April 3, 2002 well, it's not like anyone's expecting something from Hogan at wm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
