Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2003 De Card: 12 Man Tourny For The CZW Iron Man Belt Vacated by "Sick" Nick Mondo Adam Flash Mafia Ruckus Kendo Ka Shin (All Japan Pro Wrestling) Tony Mamaluke Trent Acid Johnny Kashmere Nick Berk Hardcore Nick Gage Sonjay Dutt Jimmy Rave Nate Hatred Finals is a 20 minute 3-way Iron Man match. Derek Frazier vs. Deranged Unsanctioned, Untaped, UnF'nBelievable Messiah vs. Zandig (Match will not be taped for Fake You TV, nor will be distribued by Smart Mark Video.) Little armchair booking for the Iron Man tourny: Kashin d. Rave (armbars fo every1!) Mamaluke d. Kashmere Mafia d. Berk Flash d. Ruckus Acid d. Sonjay Gage/Hatred No Contest Kashin d. Mamaluke Flash d. Mafia Flash d. Acid & Kashin Course, I'm going under the assumption that Flash will then job the belt to B-Boy next month. Frazier/Deranged will either be a good spotfest or a bad trainwreck. As for the whole Messiah/Zandig match, their goal is to increase attendance at VH. However, this seems like it's gone about the wrong way. I think they're trying to build speculation that they might use barbed wire and lighttube, but at most the HIV will drag Zandig away and use that stuff on him in the back, away from the crowd and show it over the Tron. As for no commercial release, I imagine that this will find its way to a video tape sooner then later. Other matches, I doubt it, 10 scheduled (9 in my predictions) matches for the Iron Man tourny, one guaranteed to go 20 minutes, and then 2 matches after that makes for 11/12 matches, a complete card, maybe another filler match with students and Knoxx, Cash, etc.... Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2003 Very interesting card, the whole Messiah-Zandig thing kinda pisses me off but I'm sure CZW has their reasons. (Here's something I posted earlier today on the CZWfans Board) This is probably CZW's toughest tourney ever to predict (At least in the TOD's/BOTB's you had a clue and the trifecta was a no brainer) but here's my not-so expert analysis: Let's see, I'd rule out anyone who already has a CZW title (BSB, Gage, Ruckus) as giving one of them 2 titles would make no sense IMO. So that leaves: Adam Flash: Good chance, He's held the title a few times before... but if they are looking to establish a new identity for the belt, he's not the guy to go with. Tony Mamaluke: No, Mamaluke hasn't been too lucky in CZW tourneys thus far and I don't see his luck changing at this show. Nick Berk : there's a slight chance.. but I don't see him going over some of the talent in this tourney. So I don't think it's happening Sonjay Dutt: Nah, Need to establish a differance between the Iron Man Division and the JHW division. keep him in the JHW division Jimmy Rave : Strong chance, the crowd was really behind him during the Trifecta, and I could see it happening again. Nate Hatred: No, having him win while still feuding with Deathmatch Champion Nick Gage would be a bad idea. Mafia: Could happen, He's talented enough. But will CZW give it to someone who's not full time? that's the question here. Kendo: It'd be interesting but unless he intends on returning soon, I see little chance of it happening. CZW has had quite a unique history when it comes to Japan and Title belts. Overall... I have no clue as to who will win it. All I can say is thank you CZW for putting on such an intriguing tourney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2003 Like I said, I figure whomever gets the belt drops it to B-Boy next month. Flash works as he's a former champ, belt loses no credibility, and I can buy Flash winning this tourny and losing to B-Boy. Either Flash or Sonjay, though Sonjay jobbing twice to B-Boy in big matches hurt him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted September 7, 2003 I don't know, I just don't see Flash winning it. Another reason I don't think Flash will win is that it would leave Ian Knoxx with no partner, and would really come out of nowhere (going from feud with the Backseats to Iron Man champ with no build up?). I see one of the BSB taking out Flash early. I could be wrong though, the great thing about this tourney is that it is so unpredictable and probably anything could happen. Should be one of the more interesting shows in recent CZW history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2003 They finally announced the brackets: Nick Gage vs. Sonjay Dutt Adam Flash vs. Johnny Kashmere Nick Berk vs. Jimmy Rave Kendo Ka Shin vs. Ruckus Mafia vs. Nate Hatred Trent Acid vs. Mamaluke And here's my predictions: Nick Gage Over Sonjay Dutt (I don't see Sonjay beating Gage) Johnny Kashmere Over Adam Flash Jimmy Rave Over Nick Berk Kendo Ka Shin Over Ruckus (Tough one but as long as they have Kendo.. may as well use him) Mafia Over Nate Hatred (Mainly cause I don't see 2 HIV members in the 2nd round) Trent Acid Over Mamaluke Semi Finals: Nick Gage Over Kashmere Jimmy Rave Over Kendo Trent Acid Over Mafia (could be MOTN) Finals: Jimmy Rave Over Acid and Gage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jay Z. Hollywood Report post Posted September 10, 2003 You really think Rave will beat Kendo? Not sure what AJPW's policy on stateside tours is- but I know NOAH and WJPW have "our guys never job in the US" policies. To me, the brackets lead either to Flash/Ka Shin/Mafia or Flash/Ka Shin/Mamaluke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2003 (edited) You really think Rave will beat Kendo? Not sure what AJPW's policy on stateside tours is- but I know NOAH and WJPW have "our guys never job in the US" policies. To me, the brackets lead either to Flash/Ka Shin/Mafia or Flash/Ka Shin/Mamaluke. I just thought if Jimmy Rave could somehow defeated Kendo it could give him the momentum he needs to win the belt and be a very credible champion. I didn't think of the "Not allowed to job thing". if it's true Kendo would have to make it to the finals (which is a 3-way) so he could lose and still actually not job. If that is the case... I still have no clue who will win this. And am I the only one who thinks Adam Flash isn't getting past the first round? (LOL, watch me look like an idiot after Flash wins the thing) Edited September 10, 2003 by PsychoDriver Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted September 10, 2003 I'm still thinking whomever wins drop the belt to B-Boy next month. Kashin won't job, probably because of AJPW politics, hence the finals stip where he can be involved and "not lose," technically. Which means the other people in his bracket (Rave, Berk, Ruckus) won't be in the finals. That's 3 people down, 4 if you count Kashin, since I doubt he'll become a full timer and get the belt. That leaves Flash, Gage, Sonjay, Kashmere, Mafia, Hatred, Acid, & Mamaluke. If my theory of B-Boy getting the belt next month holds true, that eliminated HIV members Acid, Kashmere, and Hatred. Flash, Gage, Sonjay, Mafia, & Mamaluke. The only way Sonjay's gonna get past Gage is if the Hatred/Gage feud continues and those two cost each other their matches, which is a possibility. In fact, I'd put money on it, if I had money.... Mamaluke won't defeat Acid either. That leaves Flash, Sonjay, and Mafia. Sonjay has the IWA-MS LightHeavy belt right now, so I doubt he'll get the Iron Man belt too. Flash & Mafia. Those two plus Kashin in the finals. Since Mafia's retiring/committed to ROH over CZW depending on who you ask, why put a belt on him. Flash. He's the only logical choice left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest trickstyle_360 Report post Posted September 13, 2003 There's a pbp chat tonight at the CZWFans's chat room, to enter it, type /server irc.mircx.com then when connected, type /join #czfnw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest trickstyle_360 Report post Posted September 13, 2003 Mafia is not in the tournament, he's injured. He will be replaced with a mystery man tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermortal 0 Report post Posted September 13, 2003 Any ideas on the mystery man? Here's hoping for Brad Bradley. THAT GUY IS A HOSS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted September 13, 2003 Also, Zandig/Messiah will be taped for home release, but not shown on Fake You TV. At least that's the impression that we all now have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 And am I the only one who thinks Adam Flash isn't getting past the first round? I was right, Flash just got eliminated by Johnny Kashemere. Everyone thought Flash was winning it just goes to show how hard this tourney is to predict. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PsychoDriver 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Any ideas on the mystery man? Here's hoping for Brad Bradley. THAT GUY IS A HOSS. Shockingly it's CHRIS FUCKING HERO! (Who saw that one coming?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Nick Gage defeated Sonjay Dutt Johnny Kashmere defeated Adam Flash Jimmy Rave defeated Nick Berk Kendo Ka Shin defeated Ruckus Chris Hero defeated Nate Hatred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 As it is the second round is. Johnny Kashmere vs. Nick Gage Jimmy Rave vs. Kendo Ka Shin Chris Hero vs. Tony Mamaluke/Trent Acid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jay Z. Hollywood Report post Posted September 14, 2003 New results: Trent Acid d. Tony Mamaluke Nick Gage d. Greg Matthews (subbing for injured Johnny Kashmere) In the shock of the night, Jimmy Rave d. Kendo Ka Shin thanks to Ruckus interference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Markingout Report post Posted September 14, 2003 YESSSSSSS! Rave advances! Sweetness (Y). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jay Z. Hollywood Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Trent Acid just beat Chris Hero. Finals will be Nick Gage vs. Jimmy Rave vs. Trent Acid Zandig/Messiah is up next. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustJoe2k5 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 My guess is Nick Gage and Trent Acid beat the hell out of each to further the Nick Gage vs. HI-V feud, and Jimmy Rave gets a back door win after Gage and Acid knock each other out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jay Z. Hollywood Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Bad news guys...something's going on at the show, which I think has to do with issues with the state athletic commission...show's in jeopardy of not continuing it looks like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermortal 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Ryan Smith says there's something going on backstage....but I'm guessing its just part of Zandig-Messiah... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermortal 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Acid just entered the building for the final match apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jay Z. Hollywood Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Trent Acid b. Jimmy Rave and Nick Gage 2-1-1. Screwy finish though, as Acid was tapping to Jimmy as Gage broke it up and the time limit ran out ALL AT THE SAME TIME. Acid is still the winner though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermortal 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Gah. Does Acid need yet ANOTHER title? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jay Z. Hollywood Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Messiah vs. Zandig ended up not being a match. Hi-V jumped him and did the WHACKS suspension (basically a guy is "hung" by coathooks THROUGH their shoulders and lifted in the air) to him. This closed the show. WHACKS himself (their creepy photographer guy with tons of piercings and tattoos, and does these suspensions as part of a stage show) got wiped out by Hi-V too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermortal 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Oh, and if you want an image of the WHACKS thing.. http://www.bmezine.com/ritual/A21218/high/bobshow1.jpg http://www.bmezine.com/ritual/A21218/high/bobshow2.jpg http://www.bmezine.com/ritual/A21218/high/bobshow4.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ace Johnson Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Sounds like a pretty bad show with the ending being a huge letdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nevermortal 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Sounds like a pretty bad show with the ending being a huge letdown. On the contrary, most people are saying its a candidate for Show of the Year, if not THE show of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandman9000 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2003 Dumb, dumb ending. I knew Zandig/Messiah wasn't going to be a match, that HIV was gonna run-in, and slaughter Zandig somehow. With the Philly DM ban, either there was going to be somekind of "cop-out" ending, or CZW was going to get kicked out of Philly. From what it sounds like, based on inital reactions, CZW crossed the line with the Zandig hanging, and the bait-and-switch of a match. People aren't happy with it, long time CZW fans, not just casual fans. The promoting of the match couldn't have been worse (no it won't be on tape, yes it will, won't be on TV, won't be shown at all), people were all confused over that. Finals of the ending were screwy, of course, anything with Acid's going to be, especially when it involves a belt. He'll go over Rave next month, though, no doubt about that. Everything, save the last match and ending angle, sounded decent. However, what the fans saw last is what will stick in their minds and will affect their decisions on whether they want to go to another CZW show. 600 is the guestimated attendance for this show, I'm pretty sure it won't be that high for October, which is a shame. Almost two years in VH, and CZW can't get the place to half-capacity. Eh, calmer heads will prevail tomorrow morning and once the show is out on tape later this week. But from what it sounds like right now, CZW managed to take what could have been a great show and turn it into what could become a fatal wound. That and it's two shows until COD5, and the hype hasn't begun for that, and angles really haven't become set up for that. I don't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
