Guest thrall585 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 It's a sad day for all wrestling fans out there, when a fat half crippled non wrestler fighting against a black non wrestler gets bigger ratings than an exciting wrestling match it's time for me to choose another form of entertainment. JR isn't crippled Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 His face is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thrall585 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 (edited) And although you like to ignore it, RVD/Christian did pop the numbers during their match. THey took it back to respectable after the abyss that the JR/Coach segment sunk the show into Who knows for sure if the ratings declined after the JR/Coach segment because people were sick of it (doubtful because the fans wanted to see JR and Lawler get their jobs back) or if people were uninterested in watching Hurricane vs Kane (possibly because it was going to be an obvious squash match). Edited October 3, 2003 by thrall585 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 Not for nothing but i still feel that the world champion should get the blame, being the #1 guy means that the company feels that you will improve ratings,live events attendance and buyrates.RVD and Xian have been used as midcarders, that's why the casual fans didn't even bother to check their match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 I gurantee if RVD was built up and the match was mentioned MORE THAN ONCE and was given the proper attention then he would've popped the rating. Hell they still popped the rating after all the fans ran away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thrall585 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 I gurantee if RVD was built up and the match was mentioned MORE THAN ONCE and was given the proper attention then he would've popped the rating. What about the "dream match" against Shawn Michaels on Raw last year that scored the lowest main event rating for Raw in years? That match was mentioned more than once and was given the proper attention I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ripper 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 I gurantee if RVD was built up and the match was mentioned MORE THAN ONCE and was given the proper attention then he would've popped the rating. What about the "dream match" against Shawn Michaels on Raw last year that scored the lowest main event rating for Raw in years? That match was mentioned more than once and was given the proper attention I believe. Didn't that match last about 4 seconds before HHH ran in and it got a DQ finish and the last 5 minutes of the show was HHH posing and spitting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thrall585 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 Didn't that match last about 4 seconds before HHH ran in and it got a DQ finish and the last 5 minutes of the show was HHH posing and spitting. No that match didn't last "4 seconds" but 8 minutes 55 seconds, which is like the average Raw TV match length. I don't think HHH was posing and spitting for that long. The match against HBK didn't draw, I'm wondering if RVD can draw, or does he have to be pushed to the moon to draw? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
{''({o..o})''} 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 That they keep beating us over the head with the fact that HHH wasn't gonna be there pretty much told everybody he was gonna run-in. I know I couldn't get into the match because of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 What about the "dream match" against Shawn Michaels on Raw last year that scored the lowest main event rating for Raw in years? That match was mentioned more than once and was given the proper attention I believe. Maybe because the fans know that HBK was just going to lose the belt right back to HHH so they knew that RVD didn't have a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thrall585 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 Maybe because the fans know that HBK was just going to lose the belt right back to HHH so they knew that RVD didn't have a chance. If you disregard it was a title match and HHH would interfere, it was still the first match between HBK and RVD and labeled a dream match, but people didn't care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdwardKnoxII 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 Yeah because they know it was going to end in a screw job so why should they care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 RVD/Xian was announced last week and had been advertised since then. A big for that match was the frontpage of WWE.com all weekend once WM20 tickets were done selling. The tag match was only announced at the web site "preview" and at the beginning of the show (and the ladder match was mentioned immediately after.) More people would know about the ladder match than the tag match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 Yes it was mentioned at the beginning of the show, tuned out for most of the show, RVD made brief mention, WASN'T MENTIONED AGAIN AT ALL. Hell they said the tag match was the main event. I'm just not seeing how this is RVD's fault at all. If anything it's the WWE's fault for not promoting the match and not promoting the wrestlers enough for people to care. Besides they BROUGHT VIEWERS BACK anyways. Oh and that main event with HBK is partly HBK's fault. Remember Armageddon and it's low buyrate? Yeah nobody wanted to see HBK wrestle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 If the crowd didn't pop like NUTS for Jericho "winning the World Title" from HHH (and let's not even attempt to claim that any pop RVD has ever received approached that), he wouldn't have gotten his push. Uh, do you even remember Undertaker vs. RVD on Raw last year in May? When RVD "won" the title, the pop was amazing. You can't argue against that. The pop was huge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dave O'Neill, Journalist Report post Posted October 3, 2003 Beacause The Undertaker 02 Title Reign sucked balls and people were desperate to see him lose. Actually, now that i think of it, that wasnt a bad reign, because he defended it against guys like Dreamer, and Jeff Hardly and Randy Orotn (pre RNN) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 Actually, as much as I hate Taker, he was probably the best guy to hold the belt until it wasn't undisputed anymore. And they still popped huge. You can't write that off as just people glad Taker lost. It was because RVD won. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 3, 2003 Besides he beat The Undertaker the night after UT won the belt. You're telling me people thought the reign sucked and were sick of it 24 hours later? I mean I hate UT as much as the next guy but I wouldn't be sick of it in 24 hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2003 Is someone trying to pin a bad rating with SHAWN MICHEALS WHO HAS NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER drawn a good rating on his opponent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted October 4, 2003 If the crowd didn't pop like NUTS for Jericho "winning the World Title" from HHH (and let's not even attempt to claim that any pop RVD has ever received approached that), he wouldn't have gotten his push. Uh, do you even remember Undertaker vs. RVD on Raw last year in May? When RVD "won" the title, the pop was amazing. You can't argue against that. The pop was huge. Huge or no, I remember that night noting how it wasn't even close to Jericho's pop when he 'beat' HHH. Watch it again, and if you don't have it, download it from Kazaa. It's one of the biggest pops you'll ever hear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2003 Is someone trying to pin a bad rating with SHAWN MICHEALS WHO HAS NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER drawn a good rating on his opponent? I don't really blame either guy for this and I am far from an RVD backer. You can't just throw guys in the main event after burying them for two years over a belt that is arguably the least valuable in the promotion (along with the World Tag) in a gimmick match that people are sick of. RVD may draw or he may not (I go with the latter), but we won't know until he is actually given a fair chance. You can't just throw guys in the main event without building them up first or people won't accept it (witness Cena fighting Brock earlier this year). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Real Nosferatu Report post Posted October 4, 2003 I marked harder for Jerichos "win" over HHH, simply because I didn't think he had any chance in hell of winning, and was basically a mid-carder since he debuted. RVD at least was fighting Main Eventers weekly when he "won" from the UT. I still marked out for RVD's though. And as someone mentioned, RVD/UT was the night ATER Judgment Day right? UT barely had the title and yet someone claimed it was a shit reign. He made Jeff Hardy (and Matt kinda) look like something credible, gave Dreamer time on TV, and gave props to John Cena. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest deadbeater Report post Posted October 5, 2003 I think the ratings went south the instant Jerry Lawler said, "Puppies in the ring!!!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
syxx2001 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2003 He says old white man beating a black man and I go "Whos black?" Thats funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Report post Posted October 5, 2003 Now that we are talking about low ratings and who should get the blame for them then lets look at the 2.9 rating SD(the so-called better wrestling show) did last thursday, Brock/Cena v. UT/Angle were the main event , will they get the blame or not from the RVD haters? IMO the tv fans are either watching better shows than the Shane-o Mac show on mondays and the McMental feud on thursdays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2003 I'll blame it on the fact that the main event scene of SD! is so stale that nobody cares. I mean UT/Brock/Angle. That's all it is or has been. And then Big Show in the upper mid card feud....which isn't much different because he's been in the mix all year as well. Hell the only new thing is Cena and Eddie. But that's not enough to make the marks care. Plus most of the blame should be shouldered on the Vince/Steph skits and build to there match that will serve NO purpose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
