Hhh vs. hhh

[Guest]

Okay this is lame, but I was checking out wwfbacklash.com and they've changed the main event to reflect last night's smackdown.

 

Couple thing's I've noticed....

 

- They have it listed as Triple-H vs. Hollywood Hulk Hogan, which, if you think about it, it's HHH vs. HHH.

 

_Why is he still "Hollywood?" For that matter, why does he still have the blackface beard on? I thought these were for the "evil" Hogan.

 

- Quote from the page: "One man is The Game. The other has been on top of his for two decades." (snort) Does that include:

           *The fingerpoke of dooooom

           *The Yappaappapappii Strap Match

           *Monster Trucks

           *Son of Andre

           *The Dungeon of Doom

 

-"Hulk still Rules"?

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Two decades...man, that's scary. Even scarier is the return of the red n yellow Hulkster. That's just a caricature now, surely?

[Guest RickyB]

The fingerpoke of dooooom

 

HAHA, I loved the fingerpoke of doom.  Did you see the segment when him and Nash were talking about that match?  That was funny as hell.

 

The Yappaappapappii Strap Match

 

Was that the match with flair?  Which was really just a normal strap match with a weird name?

[Guest treble charged]

Oh, I remember that Yappappi Strap Match.  I remember when him, Foley, Piper, and Barry Blaustien were all on Larry King one night, he was recounting stories about how he had to go backstage to see his son, covered in welts.  Keep in mind, Mick Foley (who without a doubt has gone through a lot more tougher matches inhis time than Hogan) is on the same show.  Poor Hogan.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

with those red and yellow feather things, hogan looked in such bad taste it can make even the most hardened pimp blush

[Guest]

Oh, I remember that Yappappi Strap Match.  I remember when him, Foley, Piper, and Barry Blaustien were all on Larry King one night, he was recounting stories about how he had to go backstage to see his son, covered in welts.  Keep in mind, Mick Foley (who without a doubt has gone through a lot more tougher matches inhis time than Hogan) is on the same show.  Poor Hogan.

I thought Foley was kind of asshole on the show like he thoguht he was better because he was ajackass who fought in thumbtack matches.

 

HAHA, I loved the fingerpoke of doom.  Did you see the segment when him and Nash were talking about that match?  That was funny as hell.

What happened? I msut of missed that aprt.

[Guest nWoScorpion]

i just realized that too HHH vs. "H"HH. I hope Hogan wins, to end Triple H's title reign (for a month) and give Hogan a final hurra in the WWF (since he is the real reason why Vince dominated and took over just about every other half decent federation their was.)

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Nooooooooo, the last thing the WWF needs is a Hogan title run. It'd convince him to stay in wrestling another 5 years.

[Guest]

Can you see it? Hogan and McMahon agrees on a final "nostalgia" run on top for Hogan. Hogan wins the belt, and the crowd pops like crazy and all of a sudden Hogan has leverage and convinces McMahon that it would be interesting to pick up the WCW angle where Goldberg was trying to beat his own streak. Only this time it's Hogan and he is going to try to beat Bruno Sammartino's eight year reign as champ.

[Guest crandamaniac]

The Yappaappapappii Strap Match

 

I loved the name for this match, i believe it was actually The Yappaappapappii Indian Strap Match.  Me and a friend of mine used to make fun of Hogan (well we still do anyways) when he looked at Jimmy Hart and said "Yappaappapappii Strap NOW!"

[Guest JHawk]

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HAHA, I loved the fingerpoke of doom.  Did you see the segment when him and Nash were talking about that match?  That was funny as hell.

 

What happened? I msut of missed that aprt.

 

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it had Hogan telling Nash what a grueling match it was and how it could have easily gone the other way, and Nash selling it as if he'll be coming for revenge.  Funny bit.  Not worth setting the company back to the point of no return.

 

 

As for the possibility of a hogan title reign, if it happens there are Smarkboarders to blame.  Some of us (myself included) have discussed how Hunter's not over enough to have the strap as a top babyface.  Hogan, unfortunately, is right now.  Barring HHH joining the nWo, I think we may have screwed ourselves on this one.

[Guest Singular]

HHH is not at the same level he was before his surgery and it is hurting his matches badly.  Why the WWF felt they needed to put the strap on him so soon is beyond me.

 

On the other side of the spectrum is Hogan.  A man who is an icon and recognized by people world wide as one of the "greats" of sports entertainment.  But he is old, and for some reason refuses to drop his early 80's move set.  He is number one contender because... Why the hell is he number 1 contender?  His only singles match was against the Rock and he lost.

[Guest]

Why shouldn't Hogan have the title? Because he isn't Benoit or Jericho? He is only the most over guy in the company and, sadly, can almost give as good as a performace as HHH these days.

 

Why do people say it is 'nostalgia"? He isn't good mat wrestler, so he can't be over? I like a good mat wrestling contest as much as the next guy, but I do find Hogan's matches more exciting, along with the marks that take up about 90% of the WWF audience.

[Guest nWoScorpion]

Hogan matche sare watchable to me cause they have that magic that makes you want to watch

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I can watch Hogan matches over most of the wrestlers that are being pushed right now.

 

I thikn thats a bad thing...but whatever.

 

I mean...who's on top?

 

HHH, Hogan and Taker?

 

Don't tell me there are no politics.

 

I was watching Beyond the Mat yesterday and saw the part where Foley was knocked senseless at Rumble 99 and in the back said "I hope everyone feels like they got their moneys worth"...and he was serious.  

 

When do you think the last time any of those 3 gave a shit about that?

[Guest nWoScorpion]

No offenswe to Mick, but hes got a few sandwiches short of a picnic, although he cares for the fans,s ometimes its stupid.

[Guest Risk]

When do you think the last time any of those 3 gave a shit about that?

 

I'll try to answer that.  I think Hogan cared about the fans getting their money's worth VERY early during his WWF title run.  

 

I think Taker tried to give the fans their money's worth...I dunno about Taker.

 

HHH probably cared when he had to work his way up after the Kliq left.  

 

Not that they care NOW.

[Guest Raven_Effect01]

I wonder who's going to win this shitty-looking HHH vs. HHH match: A wrestler who's deteriorated, screws the bosses' daughter, holds Jericho and others back, and has his Kliq buddies with him, or a wrestler who was never good in the ring, has held back younger wrestlers in the past and has a bad reputation of bringing in his running buddies by begging to his bosses.  This is basically just a match to see which HHH has more pull backstage.

[Guest JHawk]

This main event is the smarks' worst nightmare.  There's only one way they can make this match worse, and I won't say what it is just in case there are WWF moles loose.

 

HINT:  It's not making it a triple threat match with Taker.

[Guest]

If HHH is holding anyone back, it is RVD. He is more over than Jericho and got seriously depushed on January 7th. Jericho just isn't over enough to be a main eventer yet.

[Guest RickyB]

Just one thing, if Hogan has so much pull backstage then why is he working with an injured rib?  He could simply take a month or so off if he had so much pull backstage.  But the fact is that he:

 

a) Hasn't

b) wants to help put younger guys over

c) wants to end his run on top

 

What's wrong with that?  He's been one of the top draws in the sport since 1982.

 

And why is it that you keep saying "he's only over because of nostalgia" I seen fans cheering for him who weren't even watching when Hogan was on top.  The fact is that he just has that something that makes you want to watch him.  During the Rock/Hogan match people were so into the match that didn't like either guy, and this was a match with very little technical skill.

 

If this was Ricky Steamboat out there getting those huge pops then you'd be saying "Hey, this guy is so over.  Give him the World Title", if this was Ric Flair getting those pops you'd be saying the same thing.  But because it's Hulk Hogan he doesn't deserve the Title, because it's Hogan he's only getting a shot because he's pulling backstage shit.  That's not the way it is, even Scott Keith said that he's so over that it's impossible not to give him the shot.  It'll draw a huge buyrate and you know it.

 

When do you think the last time any of those 3 gave a shit about that?

 

Hmmm,

 

-when he had a knee injury for three years in WCW and he worked shows until it poped out of place during Spring Stampede and had to have surgery on it.

 

-When he went out and worked a match with Curt Hennig during the XWF tapings when he wasn't getting paid a dime.

 

-When he worked Wrestlemania X-8 with a rib injury and put the Rock over.

[Guest RickyB]

Oh, I remember that Yappappi Strap Match.  I remember when him, Foley, Piper, and Barry Blaustien were all on Larry King one night, he was recounting stories about how he had to go backstage to see his son, covered in welts.  Keep in mind, Mick Foley (who without a doubt has gone through a lot more tougher matches inhis time than Hogan) is on the same show.  Poor Hogan.

 

I doubt you'd be bringing this story up if it was Chris Benoit who said it (and he's probably one of the biggest whiners in the sport), but whatever.  Hogan said that story because he was trying to show the fans that you really do get hurt in Wrestling sometimes, not to say "Hey Mick Foley, I do crazy things too" or "Hey Mick, shut up, i'm tougher than you are".  But to say that Wrestlers ARE legitimatly tough and that they do get hurt in matches.  Not only that but Mick was a real prick on that show basically saying "I'm great because I take insane bumps".  I don't hate Mick Foley but I agree with Bret Hart when he says that Mick Foley isn't what Wrestling should be about.  Hogan has always shown a good side of what Wrestling is about and so has Bret Hart.  I only started to like the guy when I seen that he was a good guy in real life and he wanted to give the fans what they wanted.

[Guest mastermind]

Actually the wwf is listening to the fanbase. People WANT Hogan in the title match. Our newspapers up here stated that the "heart of the championship" at Mania was between Hogan and Rock. This is the mainstream press stating this. Hogan is also fighting with cracked ribs. He was forced to do a house show when he was booked to be elsewhere by his wife. I don't think politics is being played here with Hogan. As for Taker, how much power can he have if he is taken out of the title match after a tepid reaction on RAW last week? Trips is another. When he was out a lot of people here stated they WANTED Trips being a face in the main event of Mania against a heel Austin. It just turned out to be Jericho who is also an internet darling. Trips performance recently should be ragged on, but realize Heyman and Steph's plan when HHH was out. At the time it made sense because no one even thought that HHH would be rusty. Not to brag, but I stated Trips as a face wouldn't be that great of an idea with Rock or Austin.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

If this was Ricky Steamboat out there getting those huge pops then you'd be saying "Hey, this guy is so over.  Give him the World Title", if this was Ric Flair getting those pops you'd be saying the same thing.  But because it's Hulk Hogan he doesn't deserve the Title, because it's Hogan he's only getting a shot because he's pulling backstage shit.  That's not the way it is, even Scott Keith said that he's so over that it's impossible not to give him the shot.  It'll draw a huge buyrate and you know it.

If it was Ricky Steamboat out there getting those huge pops I'd feel the same way unless he had the workrate to back it up (which he probably would).  Hogan is lazy as hell, the only person worse than him is Nash (really, how do you get injured doing nothing?!).

 

Regarding Flair, when I first heard he was coming in I got really excited because I had never seen him before, except for his match against Steamboat at Spring Stampede '94.  Since he didn't have the workrate anywhere near that match (when they let him have a match) or personality to back it up (he's really little more than self-parody of his old self now), he quickly became just another wrestler as well.

 

Hogan is just another wrestler.  Besides his insane popularity, there is nothing special about him.  I realize the WWF is based more on entertainment than real sports, and is thus nothing more than a glorified popularity contest, but aren't champions supposed to be, you know, actually good workers, the best in their class, not just the ones who can push the most merchandise? Hogan has weak offense and one of the stupidest finishers ever.  How he ever got over in the first place is beyond me.

 

I really wouldn't care if he could back it up with workrate.  I want a fighting champion.

[Guest Downhome]

Why is he still "Hollywood?" For that matter, why does he still have the blackface beard on? I thought these were for the "evil" Hogan.

 

The point of that, is that they don't want to TOTALLY turn Hogan "Red & Yellow" at one time. They are just feeding it to the fans in baby bites, then before you know it...

 

...BAM...

 

...Red & Yellow will be running wild just like it used to.

 

It's smart, them taking Hogan's current run slowly, and him being on only one show a week only allows for him to be that much MORE on top before goig stale. I don't think he'll go stale for quite some time if they keep using Hogan as they are currently doing, and that's a DAMN GOOD business move by the WWF. Milk him dry for all he's worth. They deserve it, Hogan deserves it, and the fans (the casual fans, the ones that matter) deserve it.

 

With Rocky being gone for a while, Hogan will be the top face on Smackdown, so get ready for that one.

 

By the way, I was there, LIVE in Atlanta, Ga to witness "The Finger Poke of Doom"! I marked out SO damn much when it happened, as I had just seen Hulk Hogan, one of my all time favorites, win a World Title. After words however, I was simply in "wtf mode".