Jerry lynn

[Guest Ripper]

I have to say this, over chorographed matches do not age well.  They look good on first viewing, but after repeated viewings, they just look bad.  That being said, I'd prefer a overly chorographed match to a on the fly bunch of trash that I've been getting lately from the WWF.

 

And the Lynn/ RVD series...oh, never mind, we already had that discussion mike.  I'll just agree that we disagree.

 

Lynn had a lot of ability in my eyes and could have damn fine matches with anyone, BUT, he did have the tendacy to horrindously blow spots and cause serious injury to himself.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I have to say this, over chorographed matches do not age well.  They look good on first viewing, but after repeated viewings, they just look bad.  That being said, I'd prefer a overly chorographed match to a on the fly bunch of trash that I've been getting lately from the WWF. >>>

 

 

Oh absolutely. Most highly choreographed matches don't age well (though I still like the ladder matches involving the Hardys, E & C, and the Duds). I suppose the lack of psychology becomes evident.

 

 

<<<And the Lynn/ RVD series...oh, never mind, we already had that discussion mike.  I'll just agree that we disagree. >>>

 

 

Oh, I know. Thus, I won't argue it too much. It didn't work for me---but I never thought ECW was the most talented promotion in America after 1995.

 

 

<<<Lynn had a lot of ability in my eyes and could have damn fine matches with anyone, BUT, he did have the tendacy to horrindously blow spots and cause serious injury to himself. >>>

 

 

I just think he's incapable of calling a match in the ring, which makes his matches just seem a bit too choreographed (Lance Storm has the exact same problem).

 

I don't mind if a match is choreographed ahead of time (I recognize that few wrestlers call it in the ring anymore), but they need to pay special attention to avoid making it LOOK choreographed.

 

This was a major problem with the ECW style. The guys all wanted to do the nifty spots (to get the crowd to pop), but never thought about how ridiculous a lot of them looked. Nova and Kash might be really good workers, but their spots were so over-the-top absurd that the matches suffered because of it.

                     -=Mike

 

...And, yes, that criticism can be levelled at FBI v Mikey & Tajiri---but I liked those matches, so I'll ignore that. :-)

[Guest Ripper]

I just think he's incapable of calling a match in the ring, which makes his matches just seem a bit too choreographed (Lance Storm has the exact same problem).

 

Yeah But when Lance was in WCW, he had some matches that were obviously weren't chorographed at all, pretty much on the fly(leave it to WCW produciton to change the show on a whim) thus giving me a whole new respect for him as a inring performer.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I just think he's incapable of calling a match in the ring, which makes his matches just seem a bit too choreographed (Lance Storm has the exact same problem).

 

Yeah But when Lance was in WCW, he had some matches that were obviously weren't chorographed at all, pretty much on the fly(leave it to WCW produciton to change the show on a whim) thus giving me a whole new respect for him as a inring performer. >>>

 

 

I agree---but Storm's WWF work looks choreographed.

                          -=Mike

 

...Who thought the U.S Title Tournament was the best night of wrestling on a WCW program fom 1999 until the final Nitro.

[Guest]

Actually, Lynn was supposed to be part of the Invasion. I remember wwf.com actually had his name listed with the ECW guys who "turned" on the WWF and WCW at the Georgia Dome RAW.

 

However, his knee was hurt and he couldn't make the show, thus, he was not in the angle.

                -=Mike

Are you sure? I could of sworn I read some stuff about how he never got a push because he had some heat with Heyman. And I think the patela injury happened ater the ECW reuinion.

 

I agree---but Storm's WWF work looks choreographed.

how can you tell? Id like to know because I sure cant.                          

 

...Who thought the U.S Title Tournament was the best night of wrestling on a WCW program fom 1999 until the final Nitro.

Really? I remember all that wrestling sucking. Like that Muta versus Vampiro match.

 

I just think he's incapable of calling a match in the ring, which makes his matches just seem a bit too choreographed (Lance Storm has the exact same problem).

How would that make his matches look more choreographed?

 

Yeah But when Lance was in WCW, he had some matches that were obviously weren't chorographed at all, pretty much on the fly(leave it to WCW produciton to change the show on a whim) thus giving me a whole new respect for him as a inring performer.

Wouldnt he and his opponent have total control over the matches except for the finish?

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Quote (TheMikeSC @ April 09 2002,12:39)

Actually, Lynn was supposed to be part of the Invasion. I remember wwf.com actually had his name listed with the ECW guys who "turned" on the WWF and WCW at the Georgia Dome RAW.

 

However, his knee was hurt and he couldn't make the show, thus, he was not in the angle.

               -=Mike

 

Are you sure? I could of sworn I read some stuff about how he never got a push because he had some heat with Heyman. And I think the patela injury happened ater the ECW reuinion.>>>

 

 

I'm almost 100% positive on that. The guys on otherarena.com made fun of wwf.com for not paying attention to the show at the time.

 

 

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I agree---but Storm's WWF work looks choreographed.

 

how can you tell? Id like to know because I sure cant.>>>

 

 

When you can just sit there and almost see him keeping count of "this many punches and then we do this". His matches just look like he's rehearsed them to death. There are times when he doesn't do this, but in the WWF, his matches have that look to them.

 

 

<<<Quote  

...Who thought the U.S Title Tournament was the best night of wrestling on a WCW program fom 1999 until the final Nitro.

 

Really? I remember all that wrestling sucking. Like that Muta versus Vampiro match.>>>

 

 

Storm v Kidman was quite good. Storm v Awesome in the finals was excellent. Heck, the only bad matches on that show were Bagwell v Douglas and Vamp v Muta.

 

And remember how bad WCW TV was for years there. Being the best of that pile of bilge isn't the highest praise.

 

 

<<<Quote  

I just think he's incapable of calling a match in the ring, which makes his matches just seem a bit too choreographed (Lance Storm has the exact same problem).

 

 

How would that make his matches look more choreographed?>>>

 

 

If you don't call them in the ring, then you're pre-planning them backstage. This is bad because a) the match looks choreographed and b) if one of the guys FORGETS a spot, the match derails.

 

 

<<<Quote  

Yeah But when Lance was in WCW, he had some matches that were obviously weren't chorographed at all, pretty much on the fly(leave it to WCW produciton to change the show on a whim) thus giving me a whole new respect for him as a inring performer.

 

Wouldnt he and his opponent have total control over the matches except for the finish? >>>

 

 

What I think he means is that Lance and his opponent called the match in the ring because they didn't have time to pre-plan the match backstage.

              -=Mike

[Guest dreamer420]

Lynn had a match on Heat with RVD so he wrestled for the WWF during the Invasion.

 

As for Lance Storm, I am really starting to love this guy.  I have watched a lot of his stuff from ECW lately and even some of his WCW stuff.  I loved when he came to WCW and won 3 titles within his first month and then created Team Canada to take on the evil Americans.

[Guest]

Keep in mind in ECW RVD had like 3 years from 96 to 99 before he found anyone who appeared to be his equal that he faced. He fought Sabu but their matches was more mish mash messes spots tables etc Jerry Lynn was the first person who really played with RVD at his level and went toe to toe with him. that in itself is impressive,

 

as for Lynn and WWF, WWF for somereason just has a Bug up their asses about Lynn. He tried out for the WWF before, did some Jobber gigs for the wwf before becoming mR JL in WCW then ECW as himself. just something unsaid about the dislike.

[Guest]

I like Lynn, but he has no charisma.