Matt (from teii) may not have been tough enough...

[Guest Downhome]

...but he sure was good enough apparently, as the WWF sent him a Developmental Contract and is awaiting his signing. Now obviously he WILL sign, so it's just a matter of jotting his name down on the dotted line, lol.

 

What does this do to Tough Enough? I mean, even if you are cut, even if you are forced to quit, you still have a very good chance of being in the WWF anyhow. Some people think this is stupid as hell and simply makes the show look like crap, but I say more power to the WWF and their signing other TE talent, I'm all for it!

 

Add to this the fact that Chirs Harvard from TEI has been wrestling dark matches on RAW and Smackdown and is expected to sign soon as well, just makes TE possibly one hell of a way for the WWF to find that "new, young, & fresh talent".

 

What do you guys think about this?

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

[Guest JerryDrake]

Which 1 was Matt again?

[Guest Tony149]

I don't have a problem with it. Could be a good way to find talent. Although Vince better watch out how he spends his money. It seems like he's building a whole damn army. How many guys does he have under contract?

[Guest El Luchadore Magnifico]

Matt was the really big, kinda plain-looking guy who had to leave due to torn ligaments in his knee.

 

And I think it's great that he's getting another chance; he had a lot of talent, and seemed really upset when he had to leave.

[Guest Shawn]

I despise Tough Enough. They will throw some kid in the WWF but they won't sign <insert random talented wrestler here>.

 

What have they done with that chick they got the first time? Who? Yeah, thought so...

 

What did they do with Maven? I do have to say they've done a great deal with him. Beating the Taker and winning the Hardcore title... which now means nothing. Well not liek it did mean anything before. The only thing they've done with him is play him as some horrible under dog biatch. They try to feed off of the SHOCK! of him beating Taker but it's just really "oh he won... eh..."

[Guest Downhome]

Which 1 was Matt again?

Matt is the really big guy, the one close to 7-feet tall. More specificly, he's the guy who quit because of an injury on the last edition of Tough Enough II.

 

It seems like he's building a whole damn army. How many guys does he have under contract?

 

I don't know, but it sure as hell is a lot. Add in the fact that they just signed about six or so others to developmental deals, they signed Nova and Dawn Marie, they are thinking of getting Super Crazy, Steve Corino, C.W. Anderson, etc... and the WWF is seemingly willing to spend whatever it is, to aquire whoever they want.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

I think Vince is willing to sign virtually every wrestler in North America in order to stifle any potential opposition rising...he just loves his monopoly.

[Guest dreamer420]

I despise Tough Enough. They will throw some kid in the WWF but they won't sign <insert random talented wrestler here>.

It's cheaper and a lot less hassle because people like that can be fired easily too.

[Guest Dangerous A]

The thing about Tough Enough is, if you've noticed, after a contestant is eliminated or quits, they tell them to not give up. They say if they really love it, they should continue to pursue it. Now it's no coincidence that Chris Harvard and Big Matt are the 2 biggest guys besides Daryl and that's why the wwf has an interest in them. I see it as they are being extended an oppurtunity that was taken away from them. Basically, TE isn't the end all, be all of getting signed on. As far as I know, there isn't a rule saying that if you've been eliminated from TE, you can't ever be in the wwf. (unless you are small, of course)

[Guest Shawn]

I still doubt the chances of an ex-TE kid still getting signed. They'd either be 'the kid who kept trying at his dream!' or 'oh... you mean that kid who wasn't even good enough to pass Tough Enough the first time?'

[Guest]

I just hate the fact that Maven is higher up on the card on Smackdown that the fuckin Cruiserweight match between Kidman and Tajiri. I understand Maven gets mroe TV time than both of those guys from Tough Enough alone, but really...HE SUCKS ASS in the ring. I'm not a guy who notices blown spots too often, but I've already seen two very obviously blown spots in the past month (At Wrestlemania, he did his goddamn dropkick and did it too HIGH, missing the trashcan he was supposed to kick in Goldust's face, and he blew a ring apron spot and fell to the mat outside, which personally I enjoyed.)

 

On one hand though, if Jake can figure out how to cut promos, he's my favorite to win the TE2 show. That guy is Brock Lesnar-sized, hell his arms are even bigger than Lesnar's. I can picture him running into a ring and killing Cruisers ala Brock Lesnars. Then maybe we can have a midget projectile match between those two or something, I don't know.

[Guest]

What have they done with that chick they got the first time? Who? Yeah, thought so...

I believe it's Nidia.  Oh, and I believe they're actually taking the time to train her, unlike what they're doing to Maven.

[Guest]

I just hate the fact that Maven is higher up on the card on Smackdown that the fuckin Cruiserweight match between Kidman and Tajiri.

Hey, at least the Cruiser division (after two years of hype from Jim Ross on the Ross Report) is getting attention now.  Could you have said that last week?  Didn't think so.

 

I understand Maven gets mroe TV time than both of those guys from Tough Enough alone, but really...HE SUCKS ASS in the ring.

He's a fucking rookie.  What?  He had about 9 weeks of training (I think that's how long it took them to tape all of Tough Enough 1) and then he got thrown into the mix almost instantly.  When did they take the time out to train him, actually?  It's not his fault that he sucks.  1)  He's a rookie.  2)  Vince didn't send him to OVW for much, if any, training at all.

 

I'm not a guy who notices blown spots too often, but I've already seen two very obviously blown spots in the past month (At Wrestlemania, he did his goddamn dropkick and did it too HIGH, missing the trashcan he was supposed to kick in Goldust's face, and he blew a ring apron spot and fell to the mat outside, which personally I enjoyed.)

Congratulations.  You've picked out spots that were blown by a rookie wrestler who has almost less than a year under his belt in "experience."  Shall I reward you with a cookie?

[Guest]

I think the point everyone is trying to make with noting how much Maven sucks is that he is not ready for the WWF. Let him go full time in the OVW for a while.

And as far as the ex-TE guys go, I think they have a better chance than the winners. Many people might not notice them right away since they didn't win and eventually people may just stop caring that they were on TE and/or forget about it. I say they sign Josh and the Danimal. GIVE THEM A LOOK AND A CHARACTER. And just as a thought, who is Thurman "Sparky" Plugg to tell anyone about character. I personally like Danimal better than the Spark Plugg.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I think it's stupid for Al Snow to spend so much of his time teaching these people just for WWFE to take one of them and throw the others to waste.

 

That much said, I do think giving Maven his own WrestleMania match, even if it ended up being filler for a bunch of backstage segments, was a bit much. Putting his name on a card, especially a card like that, does not draw.

[Guest]

I just hate the fact that Maven is higher up on the card on Smackdown that the fuckin Cruiserweight match between Kidman and Tajiri.

Hey, at least the Cruiser division (after two years of hype from Jim Ross on the Ross Report) is getting attention now.  Could you have said that last week?  Didn't think so.

 

I understand Maven gets mroe TV time than both of those guys from Tough Enough alone, but really...HE SUCKS ASS in the ring.

He's a fucking rookie.  What?  He had about 9 weeks of training (I think that's how long it took them to tape all of Tough Enough 1) and then he got thrown into the mix almost instantly.  When did they take the time out to train him, actually?  It's not his fault that he sucks.  1)  He's a rookie.  2)  Vince didn't send him to OVW for much, if any, training at all.

 

I'm not a guy who notices blown spots too often, but I've already seen two very obviously blown spots in the past month (At Wrestlemania, he did his goddamn dropkick and did it too HIGH, missing the trashcan he was supposed to kick in Goldust's face, and he blew a ring apron spot and fell to the mat outside, which personally I enjoyed.)

Congratulations.  You've picked out spots that were blown by a rookie wrestler who has almost less than a year under his belt in "experience."  Shall I reward you with a cookie?

What I was trying to say (but someone already defend my post jsut above this one) is that Maven doesn't have the training or experience to be wrestling on ANY kind of card, especially in the 2nd to last match of the night on Smackdown, which isn't just a "secondary" show anymore.

 

Guys spend years working their asses off in development before being called up. Yeah he's a fucking rookie. But even Brock Lesnar (the internet's new favorite wrestler behind Benoit and Flair) had to spend time in development, as did Kurt Angle and everyone else. So why does Kurt f'n Angle, an accomplished amateur wrestler and Olympic Gold Medalist with instant credibility have to spend more time in development than some dipshit with a certain "look" for a fuckin TV show with 9 weeks of professional wrestling training who won a damn reality show?

 

I rest my case.

Congratulations.  You've picked out spots that were blown by a rookie wrestler who has almost less than a year under his belt in "experience."  Shall I reward you with a cookie?

Nah, a big pretzel would be good enough. But seriously, the point isn't me picking out spots, I even noted that I don't notice blown spots too often (I'm not an obessive smark analyzing every single move in a match, I just watch and enjoy when possible), but if I'm noticing blown spots then how do people who DO get obsessed with the wrestling feel that notice those blown spots and much more? The point is, Tough Enough is bullshit, and I was always kind of upset with the idea of a guy winning a reality show and leapfrogging all the developmental guys who worked much harder to begin with. And that's exactly what's happened.

[Guest]

What I was trying to say (but someone already defend my post jsut above this one) is that Maven doesn't have the training or experience to be wrestling on ANY kind of card, especially in the 2nd to last match of the night on Smackdown, which isn't just a "secondary" show anymore.

 

Guys spend years working their asses off in development before being called up. Yeah he's a fucking rookie. But even Brock Lesnar (the internet's new favorite wrestler behind Benoit and Flair) had to spend time in development, as did Kurt Angle and everyone else. So why does Kurt f'n Angle, an accomplished amateur wrestler and Olympic Gold Medalist with instant credibility have to spend more time in development than some dipshit with a certain "look" for a fuckin TV show with 9 weeks of professional wrestling training who won a damn reality show?

 

I rest my case.

Like I said, that's Vince's fault.  Not Maven's.  I doubt even Maven thinks he's ready.  But yeah, I agree with you on that he should've been sent down to OVW.  A guy with the right "look" and some talent to back it up is better than a guy with just the right "look."  Brock has the "look" and the talent to back it up, whereas Maven does not.  Hopefully with some training down in OVW they can make something of him.

 

The point is, Tough Enough is bullshit, and I was always kind of upset with the idea of a guy winning a reality show and leapfrogging all the developmental guys who worked much harder to begin with. And that's exactly what's happened.

Note to Vince:  Exposing the business with a half-ass reality show isn't good business at all.

[Guest]

don't the the winners get developmental Contracts too? Or do they get regular ones like Benoit NWO and Riksihi and everyone else have? are MAven and Nidia's cotnracts diffrent?

 

also is there any confirmation on this yet? Because I heard it comes from 1bob and they are as unrelyable as Jim ross is unrelyable to push the cruisers.

[Guest buffybeast]

Maven, Nidia, and now Chris Harvard get developmental contracts which total about $50,000 per year.  They also get more money if they appear on WWF television.

[Guest]

when was Harvard signed?

[Guest buffybeast]

In February.  He's wrestled some dark matches, and wrestled Maven at WM Fan Axcess.

[Guest Brian]

You sure, because he's still accepting indy bookings?

[Guest Downhome]

Chris Harvard has not signed a deal yet, but they are thinking of doing so soon. Many wrestlers wrestle dark matches all the time, but they aren't under contract to the WWF. As for being at Axcess at WMX8, so was many other former Tough Enough talent. That was simply there to promote for Tough Enough.

[Guest]

Who did he wrestle at Axess?

[Guest buffybeast]

Maven.

[Guest Jericholic82]

On the subject of Jake, anyone else notice that he has a very small waist (well compared to his upperbody w/the muscles) it looks weird.  My sister pointed it out to me and Ive been laughing ever since.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

Are you sure you wanna be sayin' that?  Some people might tell you Jake is a little psychotic ... a little sadistic, a little gay-voiced for a fireman.

 

Step up to the plate and ... uh, get knocked the hell out.  He's callin' out any person—heck, any two people!

 

So ... uh ... bring it on ... man.

[Guest]

So does anyone know for sure whether Harvard is signed?