What if hogan never came to wcw?

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Cleary, this event triggered a great change in pro wrestling.  The question is...what if it never happened?  What if Hogan retired(maybe even forcibly) from the WWF in 93?  What do you think WCW would look like?  What do you think the WWF would look like?  ECW?  The NWO(with Hall, Nash, and Waltman)?

 

Tell us what YOU think.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

You guys know Roger Clemens?

 

Had he never left the Red Sox, he would not be in baseball today. The change in scenery was what allowed him to stick around

 

Hogan man... he's like Roger

[Guest Maurizio C... Version 2]

well, where to start...

 

when wcw started airing Nitro, it was deliberately a program based on Hogan and friends, so no Hogan = no Nitro. wcw would have stuck with saturday Night as its main program.

 

Plus, Hogan was the one to order Austin to job to Duggan in how many seconds... ? whatever. Austin'd never jobbed since Duggan'd never entered wcw. Austin remains in wcw. No stonecold = no wrestling boom in '98.

[Guest Nater]

The further you go with Hogan's return in WCW and his impact on people like Austin, NWO, WWF, Goldberg, Hart.. etc.. you realize how odd a world would be without that return.

 

Austin would still be in WCW (yes WCW would still be alive)..

 

NWO would have been just a tag team with Hall and Nash.. with either them still working like Austin or retired and 3 million poorer in the pockets..

 

Hart would be teaming with his brother..

 

Goldberg would have lost his first match..

 

The Rock would be another Farooq..

 

 

thats my take.

[Guest tazmission86]

Well, I think Austin would be a several time WCW World Champion by now. WCW would still be around, but not as successful as the one that died. Triple H would have recieved Austin's 1996 push, and would be the true king of the mountain right now. Shawn Michaels would have taken Hogan's place in the nWo, as leader of Hall and Nash, and the world would be a better place.

 

If you haven't noticed, I hate Hulk Hogan.

[Guest RetroRob215]

If Hogan never came to WCW, WCW would have continued their streak of great PPV's.  In 1994 WCW was pushing Steve Austin, Mick Foley, Johnny B. Badd, Ricky Steamboat, and Steven Regal.  WCW put on two EXCELLENT shows in Slamboree 94 and Spring Stampede 94, then all of a sudden Hogan shows up.  Austin eventually jobs to Duggan, Foley is fired/quit, Badd becomes a curtain jerker, Steamboat gets demoted to the US title where he would eventually suffer a career ending injury, Regal stays at the TV Title level.  Flair is forced to job to Hogan twice in 94.  Hogan and his band of idiots with titles (Hogan, Duggan, Nasty Boys, Savage).  Hogan and Friends allow WCW to earn the title of "Worst PPV Ever" about 8 times in 1995.  So if Hogan never showed up, WCW would have continued to put on good matches, good storylines and entertaining TV.

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Hogan truly is a cancer of wrestling.

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I believe Waltman would have been the third man in the New World Order, thus, they would have no leader.  Michaels and Helmsley would have stayed in the WWF, IMO.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Hogan's entry ruined an excellent series of PPV's and forward momentum which WCW had. Sure, he *helped* in the nWo boom, but I think WCW would stand a much better chance of being on the air still today if Hogan had never have joined.

 

I just wonder how long it will be till Brutus Beefcake and Horace Hogan show up in WWF now.

[Guest Risk]

Also, think of what would have happened if Taylor was hired as President instead of Bish.

[Guest RickyB]

WCW would never have started Nitro and Bischoff would never have been able to bring in a lot of the Wrestlers he did bring in.

 

Most of Turner management were Hogan marks.  They took a big risk in starting Nitro because Bischoff said that Hogan would leave otherwise.  Luger, Piper, Hall, Nash and Waltman would never have signed because Nitro never started.

 

WCW would have continued to lose money because they only started to make money after Hogan signed.  BATB 94 drew a big buyrate for his debut in a great match with Flair.  95 was a decent year for WCW because of the start of Nitro and WCW made a lot of money of the nWo angle in 96, 97 and 98.

 

WCW would have probably folded in the mid-90's because they would have continued to lose money like they were in 94 because they didn't have the mainstream popularity (some of you underestimate how much money the nWo made.  In the mid-90's nWo shirts were seen all over the place and loads of people were buying them.) that Hogan originally had and that the nWo gave them.

 

The WWF would have probably folded too because Austin wouldn't have came in and started the Wrestling boom in the mid-90's, not only that but because Nitro never started then the WWF would never have had that competition which brought the best out of them.  The cartoon era would have never stopped because they had no need to stop it.

 

ECW would have never made enough money to become more than a big indy fed. because the Wrestling booms between 96-98 (nWo era) and 98-2000 (Attitude era) would never have happened

 

and just like that... Wrestling's dead

[Guest Tony149]

Later on, this thread will be moved into the Old School folder. This is a good topic that would be cool in the old school folder.

 

 

Anyway, I always thought Terry Taylor would of done a good job running WCW at any time period. I think Nitro & the nWo still happen. I could of seen HBK jumping to WCW in 1996 after WCW would of gotten ready to do the nWo storyline. A little bit of the "Stone Cold" character comes out in WCW. Austin has a hot feud with Sting & Flair and wins the World Title. WCW was on a roll in 1994, but it got screwed up.  

 

 

Another question, most thought Tony Schiavone was next in line to run WCW until Bischoff got the job in '93. What do you think happens if Schiavone got the job as WCW V.P.?

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Another question, most thought Tony Schiavone was next in line to run WCW until Bischoff got the job in '93. What do you think happens if Schiavone got the job as WCW V.P.?

 

Ugh!  Don't even talk like that.  But Tony was OK in 94, so maybe, but we don't know if he has any business savvy.  Anyways, Bischoff had NOTHING to do with creating the NWO concept.  Paul Orndorf created the idea and Taylor developed the attitude and the tv shirts.

 

Turner would have still made Nitro to beat Vince on Monday nights, that much we know.  Turner and Taylor would have made an awesome team, IMO.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

I think Paul Orndorff could still offer a lot to a promotion. if I was starting one, I'd definetly get him as a booker and/or trainer.

 

A Tony Schiavone run WCW would have been *very* interesting! I wonder who he would have pushed.

[Guest RickyB]

Turner would never have created Nitro if Hogan wasn't there, he only took the risk because a lot of the management were Hogan marks.

[Guest Risk]

Turner would never have created Nitro if Hogan wasn't there, he only took the risk because a lot of the management were Hogan marks.

 

Turner could blow 50 million dollars in a year and STILL be VERY successful.  I'm pretty sure Nitro would have happened.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

If WCW were ever going to seriously take on WWF, they would have had to create Nitro...I don't think Hogan was the only reason behind it.

[Guest Tony149]

Ok guys, if you want to post in this thread go to the Old Stuff folder. This is a good thread and will get some more life in the Old Stuff folder instead of getting lost in the WWF folder.

[Guest Anglesault]

You LIE, Tony! I don't know about what, but you LIE!

[Guest nWoScorpion]

First off, im a hogan mark. Ok, now onto the topic.

 

You have to look on this subject a while before you say anything. If hogan never came to WCW, WWF might not be around anymore. I dont think WCW had a REALLY POWERFUL roster in 1994, though they had some talent. Johnny B. Badd i dont know why anyone argues him, cause Im pretty sure he left WCW on his own. Anyway, even without Hogan, Badd/Mero was nothing more then a midcarder or less. Steven Regal i dont think had world title potential. EVER. Steamboat was just about done with his career two months after Hogan came to WCW. Nasty Boys were in WCW BEFORE Hogan to those who didnt know. In mid 1993 (1 yr. before hogan) and in a 1990 stint. Duggan, ok, he sucks, but Steve austin went on to bigger things. nWo would never have been succesful form the start cause it wasmainly all around Hogan. Ric Flair was WAY PAST his prime as Hogan was by 1994, but still was a great. He jobbed to him in a an EXCELLENT CAGE MATCH at Halloween Havoc (minus the black scorpion being Brother Bruti garbage) and i dont remember the othe rPPv. (Hogans debut). On the subject of Ed Leslie, he shoulda retired right after the July 4, 1990 accident, or opnce he left WWF. Cause only his first gimmick (brutus beefcake) was at all succesful. I dont see how Vaders heat was killed. He didnt job clean to Hogan directly on PPV until about 7-8 months after their feud started. As for anything els my mind is a blur on WCW.

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Vader lost his heat for the Hogan feud when the Hulkster basically no-sold the Vaderbomb at the january '95 clash of the champions show when Vader ran in after Hogan's tag match with Randy Savage.  He jumped up like a second after taking it, which was the biggest piece of shit I had ever seen, as they were supposed to be promoting a one-on-one match for SuperBrawl V the next month.  Okay, so Vader's heat was waning anyway after his series with Bossman/Boss/Guardian Angle, but it's still a crappy thing to do to your company's no.1 heel.  I'm not a Hogan mark.

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It would have been cool if Vader had kicked Hogan's ass on tv.  How do you think Hogan never coming would have effected ECW?

[Guest nWoScorpion]

did i forget to mention aty superbrawl V vader got up form theleg drop after a 1 count? Talk about no selling.

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Again...How do you think Hogan never coming would have effected ECW?

[Guest Tony149]

ECW stays the same. Although if WCW ever went out of business before ECW did, then ECW would be #2 with the most likely chance to ever catch the WWF.

[Guest Risk]

If Taylor was in charge of WCW at the time, he and Heyman could have allied, and made my sig picture a reality.

[Guest Tony149]

If Taylor was in charge of WCW at the time, he and Heyman could have allied, and made my sig picture a reality.

That could of been. I heard Terry liked ECW's product. It's weird how both WCW & ECW went out of business the way they did.

[Guest Risk]

I got the impression Taylor liked ECW.  He said Lance Storm's 'Canadian Mapleleaf' was the most effective submission hold since the Tazmission.

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*Bump*

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~Bump~

 

I'm gonna bump more than Foley for this thread.