Why were wcw management

[Guest bdolo]

I know this is so fuckin old but

 

Maybe some one can tell me why wcw management after bischoff left did'nt give the books to one of the following:

 

Flair

arn anderson

sting

terry funk

paul heyman

bret hart

 

    why would you let someone like kevin sullivan run your show when if you gave one of these guys or even a couple of these guys creative control things very well could have gone better, I know this could have lead to some backstage politics, but all of those guys were legends and they all could have at least have booked a decent match.  Picture this

 

Arn Anderson: To show people how to get over as a heel, he used to do some badass heel work on the mic and in the ring.

 

Bret hart:  Have him book matches, is there anyone else who could do this better, if was a genious when it came to ring psychology

 

Heyman:  Have him come up with the angles and set up feuds, if he was in charge of this we know a feud would last more than 2 weeks.

 

I could go on about this for days.

[Guest Tony149]

I always thought Terry Taylor could of done a good job running WCW. Heyman would of been an good choice too. He's bad with money, but WCW always lost money. Nobody was going to turn WCW around after early 1999. You could of been a genius, but with the HUGE contracts and ego's, things were out of control. The time WCW should of struck gold was in 1989, 1992 & early 1994 before Hogan came in.

[Guest]

Flair

arn anderson

sting

terry funk

paul heyman

bret hart

To begin with, none of these guys would have made a bit of difference. Most of the upper tier workers were pretty uncooperative at this time.

 

But, if we outlandisly assumed that the guys would cooperate:

 

Ric Flair

Split opinion on whether or not he was a good booker. Flair, while he might have lobbied briefly for the book in 1999, probably wouldn't want the duties. The company had twice asked him before to book (1989-90; 1994-95) and he admits that he hated it.

 

Arn Anderson

Probably would refuse the book. I think Arn would be good on the committee, but not as a head booker.

 

Sting

Yeah, right. Sting wouldn't run anything anywhere close to racy as an angle. But, he'd probably refuse the book, too. During the last few years, he really dedicated himself to his family and booking would kill that in a hurry.

 

Terry Funk

Probably the best choice on the list. But he hasn't stayed anywhere for long (apart from ECW) in the past 20 years.

 

Paul Heyman

Unavailable to book. End of story.

 

Bret Hart.

Hart had no interest in wrestling during that time. I don't see him as much of a booker anyway.

[Guest Some Guy]

Active wrestlers don't make good bookers, especially ME'ers.  In Foley's 1st book he wrote that Flair didn't even know if he was a Face or a Heel.  They needed someone from outside the promotion and Russo wasn't the right choice IMO.  Turn WCW into "WWF Attitude lite" wasn't the right move.  Pushing good workers in cookie cutter feuds until you cold come up with the proper direction was.  I thought WWF should've done more of this in late 2001, look at how over the very simplistic Rock/Jericho feud got.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

in the Rock/Jericho fued Jericho cut one of the best promos in recent memory on the Rock, i know you all remember

[Guest Some Guy]

in the Rock/Jericho fued Jericho cut one of the best promos in recent memory on the Rock, i know you all remember

I do rember it and it was great.  That is my point about the feud it was very easy to follow with great ring work, mic work, and heat.  

Jericho is labeled a "choker" for not winning the big one, he finnaly does only to lose it back shortly.  He turns heel cause the people didn't get him anywhere, Rock comes out to defende teh people and you have a feud.  No ambulances, mack trucks, and any other silly thing; just 2 guys who want to kill each other.  

If WCW concetrated on this type of formula rather than getting all cute then they might be in business still.

[Guest RickyB]

Flair

 

Ric Flair was head booker before Bill Watts came in and he booked himself over everyone, destroyed Sting's credibility many times and booked his friends above everyone else.  If I remember right the Wrestlers all complained to WCW Management to get him fired as booker.

 

arn anderson

 

I think he might have been a bit too old school in the late 90's to save WCW.

 

sting

 

He didn't have the time to book.  He would have been too old school as well.

 

terry funk

 

He would have turned WCW into another version of ECW.  He would have been a good person to use to talk the Wrestlers into doing jobs as a lot of people seen him as a legend, but as a booker... nah.

 

paul heyman

 

Under WCW management Paul Heyman would have been like Vince Russo.  Like Vince Russo he had some great ideas, but also some terrible ones.  And if he was allowed to do whatever he liked (which he would have) then he would have been a total faliure.

 

bret hart

 

He should have been given the book.  He had a great mind for plotting out matches and he had some great ideas (he had the idea for the angle on one Nitro when Goldberg speared him and he had the metal plate under his top).  He should have been given the book in 2000 after his injury.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

I think Flair is a really good booker. Bret Hart would have been very interesting.

 

And I definintly agree with Some Guy - the Rock-Jericho feud was excellent and should give an example to the writers.

[Guest treble charged]

WCW did lots of little things stupid.

For example:  At the New Blood Rising PPV, when they were playing Goldberg's music, they showed a sign saying "Goldberg Fears Gillberg" for a good 10 seconds.  Now, that sign would have never got on WWF TV intentionally, yet, WCW is willingly showing it, which doesn't help them out at all.

Sure, it wasn't as stupid as somethings they did, but after a while, the small things start to add up.

[Guest Tony149]

Moved to the Old Stuff folder.

[Guest Tony149]

WCW did lots of little things stupid.

For example:  At the New Blood Rising PPV, when they were playing Goldberg's music, they showed a sign saying "Goldberg Fears Gillberg" for a good 10 seconds.  Now, that sign would have never got on WWF TV intentionally, yet, WCW is willingly showing it, which doesn't help them out at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was planned. Russo was having a hard time with Goldberg (Goldberg doesn't want to act like a heel, etc) at that time.

[Guest treble charged]

Yeah, that whole damn show was stupid.  The whole "this is a shoot" thing was retarded.

[Guest]

Ric Flair was head booker before Bill Watts came in and he booked himself over everyone, destroyed Sting's credibility many times and booked his friends above everyone else.  If I remember right the Wrestlers all complained to WCW Management to get him fired as booker.

Flair was head booker from about March 1989 to mid 1990 and 1994 to mid 1995. Ole Anderson and Dusty Rhodes were both head bookers before Watts came in.

 

Destroyed Sting's credibility? Wow, haven't heard that one.

Flair put Sting over hundreds and hundreds of time. He wanted Sting as his successor. When was Sting's credibility ever destroyed? And I'm talking about beyond Flair as booker.

 

Give examples of how Flair booked his friends over everyone else. I'll take suggestions from either booking reign.

 

Flair quit during his first reign as booker. There was a lot of fighting within WCW and Flair was drawing some heat behind the scenes, but I don't know the specifics.

 

I'll give you that Flair was fired from booking his second time. However, Flair had little control over anything. Hogan had a lot of pull in the upper card (as evidenced by the pushes of many WWF outcasts - Duggan, Honky Tonk Man, Tenta, Ed Leslie, etc.) to Flair's none.

 

No reasons were given as to why Flair was fired. It wasn't because Flair booked himself to the top of the card; WCW wasn't happy because Flair was continuously booking himself to lose.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

When was Sting's credibility ever destroyed? And I'm talking about beyond Flair as booker.

 

well there was the infamous human torch match