Nwo = dead and buried

[Guest El Satanico]

Wow less then two months ago nWo debuted with a bang and tried to kill the "top face". Now less then two months later Hogan is looking like a big idiot in ketchup and mustard, Xpac joined, Nash got injured doing nothing and is gone for awhile and now Hall is wrestling Crash Holly on heat.

 

Scott Hall wrestling Crash on Heat has to be the final nail in the nwo coffin. Good job Vince a million some dollars for Nash and Hall and now Nash is hurt and Hall is wrestling a guy  that's not even close to being a midcarder. I'd reckon the guys being basically forced to take paycuts are more pissed off then ever.

 

Can't say that i'm not pleased by this...because i am pleased by it. Well ok i'm pleased for everything except for Hogan turning back into a hot dog.

 

But you all know that somehow Xpac is going to convince WWF that he deserves to stay at high midcard/main event status.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

you think mcmahon had a secret agenda of buying nash and halll all this time?

 

its always a possibility

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Scott Hall wrestling Crash on Heat has to be the final nail in the nwo coffin. Good job Vince a million some dollars for Nash and Hall and now Nash is hurt and Hall is wrestling a guy  that's not even close to being a midcarder. I'd reckon the guys being basically forced to take paycuts are more pissed off then ever.

Are you dissing Crash Holly?! PACIFICA PRIDE~! Actually, that's kinda ironic that Hall has to fight Crash since Crash is without a doubt one of the guys that had to take a paycut because of him.

 

And just how does Nash get injured doing absolutely nothing?

[Guest Nevermortal]

And just how does Nash get injured doing absolutely nothing?

When Rock called him "Big Daddy Bitch", it caused his bicep to break, obviously...

[Guest The Man in Blak]

I think they brought in the nWo and had totally different intentions for them that got thrown to the wayside when everybody started cheering for Hogan.  They were pretty much dead in the water once Hogan left them anyway - X-Pac joining was just "painting the roses on their grave", as they say.

[Guest El Satanico]

Well i'm sure one reason that Vince brought them in was to keep them from helping get a new fed off the ground. Which has been the reason behind quite few recent signings.

 

No no i wasn't bashing crash persay it's just that Crash is pretty low on the roster and has basically always been treated like a joke, so it's a rather large step down for a guy that started as a high midcarder just two months ago.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I'm assuming that Triple H will turn back to heel (the face turn was teased too long and thus the fans didn't care by the time it happened), form a SmackDown chapter of the NWO, and spraypaint the new title.

 

....At least, that's what I'm banking on, as it seems too ridiculous for the NWO to be confined to half the federation (and half the NWO shit aside from Hogan was Clique related), and I'm really hoping the don't bury the Big Gold Belt for good.

[Guest EI Cubano]

Hall and Nash can still be extremely successful but they work better as a part of a stable with a respectable leader. HHH obviously just isnt working that well as a face and would be a perfect leader for the group of his real life friends. On a more out there note, HBK could also return to lead the group, but an NWO of just Hall, nash & X-pac is not an overly impressive idea.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

which reminds me i saw a really funny nwo sign which said this:

Nash is

Not

Wrestling or

Over

 

pretty funny

[Guest]

Thank-god they have buried the nWo, lets hope Vince also buries Hogan, once the nostagia trip comes to an end. These pricks do not deserve to be in the WWF after all the shit they pulled in WCW.

 

Nash tore his bicep, by tossing his hair one to many times. It can happen.

[Guest]

Its the bookers fault. They really should of been a legit threat but the ball was dropped, big surprise. I dont like the NWO but if they were going to bring them they at least should of done something more with them. Vince is an idiot.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

You guys keep acting like this is the worst thing to ever happen in wrestling period. Somebody needs to watch more early 90s WCW. I haven't seen very much of WCW period but I have a whole collection of movies of the garbage that was pulled then. The Black Scorpion's entrance has to be one of the dumbest thing I think I have ever seen.

 

Don't throw WCW's death in these guys' face. It took several sets of the world's worst booking to do that company in, and they couldn't have found any better candidates.

[Guest Nater]

nWo died as they are because they let the WWF bookers do the work instead of using their swing to say who goes down (much like they did in WCW)

 

Timing was good back then, people that got taken out were gone for a time.. not just a few days ala Rock. Beatings that severe actually affected a match. But no, things dont work like that in WWF and the nWo being new and trying to prove how good they are backstage didnt force it.

 

Actually I do think that Hall and Nash are valuable to WWF but only if they win after running people through with semi or breaking a brick on somebody's already messed up knees. But that would make them bad guys, and well we wouldnt want them winning matches that they forced booking to do (despite the unquestionable wisdom which is WWF's booking)

[Guest Maurizio C... Version 2]

part of the nWo's success back in th day was that on every Nitro, fans expected a new wwf wrestler to show up. it was, of course, an approach directed mainly toward smark marks.

 

today almost any wrestler on is earth is avilable, so the surprise factor is dead and gone.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

It would have been more interesting if they'd kept the "poison" angle. But instead they quickly became just a heel stable, and not a very good one at that. If Hall can keep his act together he could be useful as a singles wrestler or tagging with someone else, but Nash should be released and X-Pac should be made to job to Tajiri and Kidman repeatedly.

[Guest Maurizio C... Version 2]

Nash valuable as a single wrestler? uh... no, his only decent streak of good matches happened when back in '95 HBK and bret were there to carry his old ass. Today no one (aside from the rock, of course) wanna put nash's ass over.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

I said *Hall* could be used as a single wrestler, and Nash should be released.

[Guest nWoScorpion]

Only reason most people wanted to see the nWo (I SAID MOST so dont argue that) was to see Hogan back.  Icoulda cared less for Hall & NAsh.

[Guest]

Are we all forgetting Austin buried the nWo right off the bat? Austin did sell some back bumps when they threw punches at him but really, he never even looked like he was into it or put any effort into the matches or angles.

 

The average fan never had a chance to take the nWo serious with Austin destroying them right off the bat.

[Guest]

Personally I think the nWo is a HUGE waste of Vince's  money.  I don't like Hulk Hogan, but I will admit he pretty much saved 'Mania with Rocky's help.  But I don't want to see him anymore.  In fact I haven't really wanted to see him since the early WCW days.  I haven't liked watching him wrestle since my little brother cried when he lost the title to Andre, and then it was to hope he would lose

 

Like so many people have said, Scott Hall is the living alcoholic joke.  I honestly can't believe the WWF trusted covering him in beer.  And he hasn't been good since the days of Razor.  thats just my opinion.

 

Big Kev'....huge waste of money.  Thats about it.  I like Kevin Nash, I'm ashamed to admit it.  Its like telling your parents "Yea I peddle my ass on the street to buy heroin."  Not that I'd know how that feels. But now I'm off topic.  Kevin Nash tore his bicep, and will be out for like 6-8 weeks at least.  Like many people have asked...WTF did he do???  I don't remember a singles match he did and I only remember 2 tag matches.  Maybe he's getting fragile in his old age???

[Guest notJames]

As much as Austin buried the nWo from the get-go (deservedly so IMO), I think the nail in the coffin was adding X-pac to the fold. Contrary to his deluded little mind, he's not a main-eventer, nor does any self-respecting fan think he's a main-eventer. Add that to the watered down, over the hill Hall and Nash (sans Kung-Fu Grip), and you've got a midcard stable at best trying to carry on an already tired and overdone gimmick without the benefit of the GobbledyHulker's rub.

 

Good riddance, I say. Let them wallow in tag-team hell in retribution for all the tag teams they held down when the Outsiders were non-defending tag champs. And I hope someone does stick a stake through Big Poochie's heart... if they can find it.

[Guest tazmission86]

"I don't like Hulk Hogan, but I will admit he pretty much saved 'Mania with Rocky's help"

 

Bullshit. Jericho/Helmsley was a viable main event, and with Austin and Rock someplace else on the card, it still would have done good. Not quite as good, but it never needed any "saving".

 

The only person worth anything in the nWo is Scott Hall. So far, he has caused almost no problems, and jobbed like a champ. He sold the Stunner excellently after Austin gave him some trouble. However, it's understandable that Austin was a bitch, because he was dealing with the kind of guys that led to his WCW failures.

 

I don't mind Hall, because he still works pretty well and is abiding by the rules. Nash is a different story. The guy is useless and worthless. Useless in that he can't wrestle, and worthless because no one cares about him, and he doesn't draw any money. Hogan I dispise no matter what, and X-Pac just plain sucks, so there's my views on them.

 

What I think they should do is have Hall and X-Pac in a tag match against the Hardyz tonight. Have Hall announce that Nash is hurt and will be out for a while. During the match, have X-Pac and Hall get into an argument and lose. X-Pac pushes Hall, but Hall decks Pac and starts beating on him, giving him the Outsider's Edge. He takes a survey and asks the people if they came to see X-Pac get his ass kicked.

 

Next week, Hall would come out and say that the nWo started their fight 6 years ago in WCW, and it would end tonight. He says that the failure of the nWo is because of Vince's lack of focus, and that the nWo should have been Vince's first pick in the draft. He says that the nWo ends tonight, once and for all. He takes off his nWo shirt and throws it in the crowd, afterwhich he wipes his hands clean. Later, he gets attacked by X-Pac, yadda yadda yadda. They fight at BackLash and Hall's a midcard face.

 

X-Pac would later be traded to SmackDown! to fight in the Cruiserweight division.

 

I would have Nash come back later on, but not related to Hall or X-Pac at all. He'd be Eddie Guerrero's hired muscle/manager, like he was to Shawn Michaels.

[Guest muzanisa]

Agreed. I don't like Hogan but swapping him for X-Pac? That's a bit like having Paul Roma as a member of the Horsemen. I know Waltman was a member before but that was as well as Hogan, Hall, Nash, Dibiase and Virgil.

As a Smark we all probably knew he was coming in anyway. But imagine if you'd been watching just knowing that Hogan had left and was now the Rocks friend. If Rocky had turned for a three on one beating, fine, Triple H the Undertaker, Kurt Angle, Benoit or Jericho anyone of those or a returning Shawn Michaels come out for a three on two beatdown, Fine.

But X-Pac? He hadn't been missed and he can't even get X-Pac heat anymore. Big Show would have been a better addition IMO.

Hall might still have something to offer. With Bret and Shawn retired Nash does not have an opponent in the Western Hemisphere who can carry him to a half decent match.

I read in a lot of places that X-Pac is still a good wrestler but IMO since he stopped doing the 123 Kid Highspots he hasn't had been nearly as entertaining in the ring, and as for out of it. X- Pac sucks.

[Guest]

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